BillsFan130 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 34 minutes ago, Augie said: Does the new format have a “get a room” button? Hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: You too man, again, nothing but respect for you...this is just one of those cases where we will agree to disagree. No love lost. PS: My use of caps on certain words (as always) was just to emphasize key words, not to yell. No problem buddy, thanks for the clearance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: 15 TD per season really isn’t a lot to brag about. Show us 25 to 30 and no one would complain. Who the HELL is getting 15 TDs per season?! Some posts in here are absolutely moronic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 IMO, Taylor is not a franchise QB....I keep thinking about comments from opponents stating " the game plan against Tyrod Taylor is Make him be a QB "....we've heard it before...and I unfortunately think we'll hear it again.....stack the box....let him try to beat you in the air......I've seen a few post blaming the lack of run game to explain the lost to the Jets....I'm not sure those posters realize they are proving the point....teams focus on the ground game and are betting on TT not carrying the team on his shoulders...which is a thing franchise QB dies.....bottom line is this...I don't think we can win a SB with him...and that, in my humble opinion, is not a true franchise QB..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 38 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Who the HELL is getting 15 TDs per season?! Some posts in here are absolutely moronic! You're right, the math was off. It's actually 18 TDs per season he averages. Whoopty-!@#$ing-do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 On 11/3/2017 at 1:31 PM, Domdab99 said: He proved it last night. There is no QB in the league who could've done better that TT did last night. Constant pressure, a sieve of an OL...but he kept it calm and cool and did what he could. Hit every damn receiver he had all over the field. If anyone ever again says he can't throw over the middle, you need to turn in your Bills card. The running game was awful. His receiver dropped balls and fumbled. He had three monsters in his face hitting him within 2 seconds of just about ever play. He still fought and still had a good game. I know it sounds strange after such a drubbing, but this may be the game that we look back on and point to when we say, "Tyrod is finally the Man." Embarrassing loss, yes. But don't blame Tyrod. He played great. I want some of what this guy is smoking please, he seems to get the good ****. If we had a QB there would be no doubt in my mind we be a constant playoff team, a franchise QB also makes the WR around him better, Matthews is almost extinct in this offense, probably will be the same with Benjamin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 5 hours ago, Koko78 said: No, pointing out you being stupid is not name calling. It's pointing out that you're being stupid. Stop being stupid, and I would not have to point it out for you. Though it's cute that you think I'm anti Tyrod. You never disappoint when you get on your high horse. Stupid? Who's the friggin dumbass insinuating you need close to 60 TDs to be a Franchise QB? Or that Taylor only gets 15 TDs a year? Still using the word "retard," are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 42 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: IMO, Taylor is not a franchise QB....I keep thinking about comments from opponents stating " the game plan against Tyrod Taylor is Make him be a QB "....we've heard it before...and I unfortunately think we'll hear it again.....stack the box....let him try to beat you in the air......I've seen a few post blaming the lack of run game to explain the lost to the Jets....I'm not sure those posters realize they are proving the point....teams focus on the ground game and are betting on TT not carrying the team on his shoulders...which is a thing franchise QB dies.....bottom line is this...I don't think we can win a SB with him...and that, in my humble opinion, is not a true franchise QB..... The Jets? Well, lets look at the numbers : New York - Week 1 : The running backs gain 154 yards at 4.47 yards a carry. Taylor throws for 224 yards, runs for 38 yards. New York - Week 9 : The running backs gain 28 yards at 1.75 yards a carry. Taylor throws for 285 yards, runs for 35 yards. So you look at this and blame Taylor? Because the Jets didn't think to "focus on the ground game" in Week 1? It didn't occur to them? Is it possible your reasoning is a bit simplistic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 42 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Stupid? Who's the friggin dumbass insinuating you need close to 60 TDs to be a Franchise QB? Or that Taylor only gets 15 TDs a year? Still using the word "retard," are we? Well, considering that 60 touchdowns is not even close to anything I've ever said, I stand by my assessment of your rather idiotic strawman argument. You're right about the 15 touchdowns, though. His average is 18 throwing and 3 rushing per season. Franchise numbers. Give the man a $160 million contract for that production. Hell, just put him on the wall of fame and schedule his induction in Canton for next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: You're right, the math was off. It's actually 18 TDs per season he averages. Whoopty-!@#$ing-do. Hilarious. I'm assuming now you're drastically reducing this all to passing TDs instead of total TDs. Taylor averaged 23.5 TDs in his first 2 years as a starter. Funny. Most people round up when it's 0.5, yet you couldn't even say 19 passing TDs. You had to round down, which no one ever does. Talk about an absolutely pathetic agenda:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Hilarious. I'm assuming now you're drastically reducing this all to passing TDs instead of total TDs. Taylor averaged 23.5 TDs in his first 2 years as a starter. Funny. Most people round up when it's 0.5, yet you couldn't even say 19 passing TDs. You had to round down, which no one ever does. Talk about an absolutely pathetic agenda:doh: There's no agenda. Taylor is just bad. I was a big supporter last year, but he's proven that he doesnt have what it takes to be a full-time starter in this league. I hope we trade him to the Browns in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: There's no agenda. Taylor is just bad. I was a big supporter last year, but he's proven that he doesnt have what it takes to be a full-time starter in this league. I hope we trade him to the Browns in the offseason. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 35 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Well, considering that 60 touchdowns is not even close to anything I've ever said, I stand by my assessment of your rather idiotic strawman argument. You're right about the 15 touchdowns, though. His average is 18 throwing and 3 rushing per season. Franchise numbers. Give the man a $160 million contract for that production. Hell, just put him on the wall of fame and schedule his induction in Canton for next summer. You can't even do simple math. Anazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Part of the problem with this argument is the need by each side to hyperbole after each performance. To claim after Thursday that it somehow proves TT a franchise QB is a bit crazy. It should, surely, be enough to say this is the first time this season Tyrod played pretty well in a loss and given absolutely zero help by our line he did enough to give us a chance to win a football game. To be honest I don't think anyone can prove themselves a franchise QB in a loss because part of the job is winning. I know Tyrod still has a winning record.... this thread was started with hyperbole and it means the argument is bound to have a slightly ridiculous tone after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 8 hours ago, grb said: The Jets? Well, lets look at the numbers : New York - Week 1 : The running backs gain 154 yards at 4.47 yards a carry. Taylor throws for 224 yards, runs for 38 yards. New York - Week 9 : The running backs gain 28 yards at 1.75 yards a carry. Taylor throws for 285 yards, runs for 35 yards. So you look at this and blame Taylor? Because the Jets didn't think to "focus on the ground game" in Week 1? It didn't occur to them? Is it possible your reasoning is a bit simplistic? As you are well aware, a lot of those yards came once the game was already decided.....the Jets learned from the 1st game and made adjustments....are you saying that is unrealistic ? Stack the box and let TT beat you in the air....that's what they did and they destroyed us....As I said, bottom line is this...I don't think TT is capable to bring a SB to Buffalo, therefore he's not a franchise QB....he's not as bad as some are saying on here...but he's not a franchise QB.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 14 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: 15 TD per season really isn’t a lot to brag about. Show us 25 to 30 and no one would complain. I don't care about his stats of how many times he scores if he can't score enough to win it just doesn't matter. Just because Tyrod scored against the Jests doesnt say he had a good day it says he didnt do enough. Winners win and score enough to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: I don't care about his stats of how many times he scores if he can't score enough to win it just doesn't matter. Just because Tyrod scored against the Jests doesnt say he had a good day it says he didnt do enough. Winners win and score enough to win. We are certainly in agreement here. Fortunately he’s 20-17 so he’s scored enough against more than half of the teams he’s faced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201001100crd.htm In the same season: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200910110buf.htm To all of "the only stat that matters is wins" people, do you realize how dense you sound? One thing I wish fans could understand is that you can't use wins and losses to determine an individual player's value in a team sport. This isn't tennis or golf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, QB Bills said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201001100crd.htm In the same season: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200910110buf.htm To all of "the only stat that matters is wins" people, do you realize how dense you sound? One thing I wish fans could understand is that you can't use wins and losses to determine an individual player's value in a team sport. This isn't tennis or golf. I don’t necessarily disagree but they do attribute wins and losses to QBs and pitchers. There are a lot of factors that go into the outcome but it is used as a measuring stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 11 hours ago, Iron Maiden said: IMO, Taylor is not a franchise QB....I keep thinking about comments from opponents stating " the game plan against Tyrod Taylor is Make him be a QB "....we've heard it before...and I unfortunately think we'll hear it again.....stack the box....let him try to beat you in the air......I've seen a few post blaming the lack of run game to explain the lost to the Jets....I'm not sure those posters realize they are proving the point....teams focus on the ground game and are betting on TT not carrying the team on his shoulders...which is a thing franchise QB dies.....bottom line is this...I don't think we can win a SB with him...and that, in my humble opinion, is not a true franchise QB..... ....agree on all accounts IM.....a very fair assessment....maybe I'm old school, but I think a prerequisite for a franchise QB is to be able to put the other 10 on his back when trailing in the 4th and calmly march his club down the field to the "W" when called upon.....unless he has a career epiphany, I don't see TT being able to do that consistently.... I see him more as a pedestrian game manager (NOT a criticism; my assessment) whose wheels are an added dimension......is he improving?....sure....is he capable of solid game(s)?....of course......everybody was clicking in the Raiders game including TT spreading the ball around and doing a nice job with reads/progressions, Shady & run game, OL and the bend don't break "D".....then we come to the Jets OVERALL stinker (hardly TT's total fault)......the Jets punched and we couldn't counter.......coaches had ZERO answers as far as adjustments.......and Dennison reminded me of a mumblin', stumblin' , bumblin' Steve Fairchild with his play calling............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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