OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 25 minutes ago, grb said: (1) The "Whaley wanted to release Taylor" thing is a common statement. Care to guess how much evidence exists to back it up? Right : Zero. It was speculation from sportswriters, who never had any statement from Whaley, never had any statement from a Bill, never had any off-the-record remark, never had any second hand comment supposedly leading back to the team's front office, never had anything but their own theories. Was management talking-down Taylor behind the scenes? Possibly. But if they were, they were very careful about what they let out. Personally, I think they were probably posturing towards a restructure from day-one. They never had a real plan-B, they just didn't want to commit to Taylor long-term. (2) Speaking of speculation, no one knows what Taylor could have got on the open market because it never reached that far. My speculation was he stood no chance of getting the long-term cash of his old contract, but could have done as well or a bit better than his new. But that was irrelevant from Taylor's perspective, because his real question was where is the best place to play to set up his next deal? Cleveland? The Jets? Even granting he wanted to stay a Bill, a major part of his decision had to be where could he play to give him the best chance to earn a big payday. If I had to guess, I'd say he's looking long-term. ....one helluva objective assessment....VERY nicely done bud PERIOD............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I'm still not ready to buy my Taylor jersey, but he might be our guy I'll sell you mine. I've also got a Rob Johnson if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 ...a "franchise QB" can take over the command of a game and single handedly (with obvious teammate support following his lead) take his team to victory despite long odds to do so.....a/k/a 4th quarter comebacks in what appears to be the waning and dire moments....TT cannot do this IMO.....and he is not alone in that unique ability...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 11/3/2017 at 8:27 AM, ShadyBillsFan said: No not all but most. That's only because you're clearly incredibly biased and unable to be objective in any way when it comes to Taylor can't wait for the responses to that post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 11/3/2017 at 8:35 AM, Koko78 said: If he were a franchise QB, he would have stats approaching those in a season, not 3. Is that a joke? is "Franchise QB" the same as 1st ballot HOFer for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Is that a joke? is "Franchise QB" the same as 1st ballot HOFer for you? Is 15 TDs per season a "Franchise QB" to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 11/3/2017 at 9:07 AM, GoBills808 said: I watch enough football to know a few of those Newton turnovers are tough to pin on him. Okay... what about Taylor's turnovers? Like his first interception of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 53 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: No, Taylor flat out said all along over and over again he wants to stay in Buffalo. There is no speculation on that unless you think he was lying. And he clearly proved that to be true when he took less money than QB's who weren't as good as him, with way less success than him, way less on their resume, and failed already as starters when they had the chance to start. There is no doubt at all Tyrod would have been top FA QB and would have made more leaving. Yet he stayed anyway. To twist that to say there was no marker for him is just not accurate. Teams cant negotiate with him in the first place, any team doing so was in violation of tampering. Every single thing points to Taylor choosing Buffalo over more money including Taylor flat out saying so before, during and after the time period where it wasn't clear if he would be back or not. PS: There are a lot of GM's who have been quoted many times that the Bills would be nuts to cut Taylor, he has a lot of support around league as well as some that don't believe in him. Only takes one of those teams that thinks highly of him to sign him, he would have 100% made more money leaving Buffalo. Yet he stayed, just like he proclaimed he wanted. But a lot of what you are saying is pure speculation as well. How do you know he would be the top FA? That alone is speculation and a guess He obviously stayed in Buffalo to make a business decision. Would he be staying in Buffalo if he was making 700k a year? No, there were obviously a lot of factors that went into it. Teams don't have to negotiate with him for him to know the market out there and what he would be making. You are telling me his agent didn't do his homework and gave Tyrod a rough estimate of what he would be making in the free agent market? Come on man. That is the agents job and with millions of dollars on the line, don't tell me Tyrod didn't think about what was best for him from a financial standpoint and as well from a performance perspective. They can give a great ball park figure to what their clients will be making. now, and even in the future with QBS virtually getting bigger contracts every year. I am not saying Tyrod couldn't have made more going somewhere else, but I also will say that him and agent knew a ballpark figure to what he would be making, and he would rather come back to Buffalo on almost a prove it type of contract, so he can cash in a couple years. Buffalo was most likely his best chance to succeed as well, which again, equals more money after this short term contract. Is this speculation? Of course, but it also makes sense. Unless you believe that TT would take a 30-50 million dollar reduction just to say he wants to play in Buffalo because he loves it here. Tyrod isn't staying in Buffalo because he has some sort of an unconditional bond for this city.. He is doing it because it is a business move with lots of factors involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 11/3/2017 at 9:25 AM, Kirby Jackson said: On 11/3/2017 at 9:24 AM, GoBills808 said: True. And that's not counting the entire 'what the QB is asked to do' argument when it comes to TO ratio (and efficiency statistics in general), which is why I have a healthy dose of skepticism when it gets posted as some definitive answer as to a QB's value. FWIW, Tyrod has been asked to shoulder a MASSIVE portion of this offense this year. Taylor was 90% of Buffalo's offensive output vs the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Okay... what about Taylor's turnovers? Like his first interception of the season? What about it? Not all interceptions are the fault of the QB. Is someone making that argument here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Okay... what about Taylor's turnovers? Like his first interception of the season? One of Taylor's problems is that he doesn't throw enough picks. He treats the football like money under a mattress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 11/3/2017 at 1:31 PM, Domdab99 said: He proved it last night. There is no QB in the league who could've done better that TT did last night. Constant pressure, a sieve of an OL...but he kept it calm and cool and did what he could. Hit every damn receiver he had all over the field. If anyone ever again says he can't throw over the middle, you need to turn in your Bills card. The running game was awful. His receiver dropped balls and fumbled. He had three monsters in his face hitting him within 2 seconds of just about ever play. He still fought and still had a good game. I know it sounds strange after such a drubbing, but this may be the game that we look back on and point to when we say, "Tyrod is finally the Man." Embarrassing loss, yes. But don't blame Tyrod. He played great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 23 hours ago, xRUSHx said: 23 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Check the hyperbole because no one ever said 100x better. In fact, I said earlier in the thread, Id take Cam. That may not be right but its where I stand as of today. Don't try to use hyperbole because the facts wont support your crusade. Stop with the crusade crap. I'm a fan and I'm talking about the Bills. This is a Tyrod thread I'm posting my opinion on it. Why does your post count exponentially increase when Taylor has a bad game OR (very important word there) the Bills lose? Remember the last couple weeks how you were saying "one foot on the Taylor wagon?" Now you're taking a dump on him because you see a loss as an opportunity to, despite the fact that he was by far the best player on the field in a Bills uniform. Pretty pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: Are you being dense on purpose now? How does one GM signing Glennon tell us what most of the other GM thought about him? Or that they would take him over Tyrod. I’ll give you a hint, it doesn’t. I did mess up my argument to be honest. For some reason I thought Tyrod was a FA at the end of the year, but I remembered it was a re structured contract. So my apologies sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I did mess up my argument to be honest. For some reason I thought Tyrod was a FA at the end of the year, but I remembered it was a re structured contract. So my apologies sir It’s all good. We can still be friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 19 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I did mess up my argument to be honest. For some reason I thought Tyrod was a FA at the end of the year, but I remembered it was a re structured contract. So my apologies sir We all mess up, we don’t all ‘fess up. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 57 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Is 15 TDs per season a "Franchise QB" to you? Ummm, no, but Taylor passes for more than 15 TDs per season and gets significantly more when you add his rushing TDs. On the flip side, a "Franchise QB" needs almost 60 TDs per season, to you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 48 minutes ago, Bangarang said: What about it? Not all interceptions are the fault of the QB. Is someone making that argument here? Read the initial dialogue and backwards logic of GoBills808 regarding Newton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 49 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: One of Taylor's problems is that he doesn't throw enough picks. He treats the football like money under a mattress. Oy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Well reading through this thread it's clear most won't budge. Some previously adamant anTy Taylor guys are demonstrating actual flexibility and objectivity like JaCrispy, which is impressive. Some clearly didn't even watch the game. Some are hanging all over Romo's jock as a commentator, which is pretty funny. This entire discussion is old and stale for many reasons, but some people have a vision of what they need their QB to be and Taylor will never be it, despite the obvious steps forward he's taken in his game. Oh, what's a Franchise QB? Are people seriously just equating Franchise QB with an Elite QB? I remember GoBills808 once defined Franchise QB as a QB who starts for the same team for 5 straight years. That means Dalton and Flacco would be Franchise QBs. Who here would do a straight up trade of Taylor for Flacco/Dalton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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