GoBills808 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Well when you look at it in replay the football is not in control through the process of getting to the goal line in my humble opinion. Its a bad rule regardless and a gift wrapped football given to the opposition for no reason IMO. It looked to me that way as well. Which meant he didn't have control of the ball crossing the goal line. Which means (to me anyway) that it's a fumble OOB and Jets ball at the 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 It looked to me that way as well. Which meant he didn't have control of the ball crossing the goal line. Which means (to me anyway) that it's a fumble OOB and Jets ball at the 1. and this is exactly the way the rule should be written, good grief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 It looked to me that way as well. Which meant he didn't have control of the ball crossing the goal line. Which means (to me anyway) that it's a fumble OOB and Jets ball at the 1. Wait a second, the ball was thrown, if he never had possession of it how was it a fumble? I can see where it would not be a touchdown but how can it be a fumble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) It looked to me that way as well. Which meant he didn't have control of the ball crossing the goal line. Which means (to me anyway) that it's a fumble OOB and Jets ball at the 1.Even if that was true (which is debatable) he immediately secured the ball, in bounds and in the end zone. So it was a TD. But even if what you say is true and what I'm saying isn't true, it was ruled a TD and was impossible to conclusively tell otherwise, so should have never been reversed! Vegas would have had that call being overturned at +10,000! Also, the fact that it was the Pats benefitting is only a small frustration to me. The fact that the NFL rules are a disaster and the officials are a disaster are the real frustration for this person. Pats is only poison icing on the **** cake. Edited October 16, 2017 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Wait a second, the ball was thrown, if he never had possession of it how was it a fumble? I can see where it would not be a touchdown but how can it be a fumble? He had possession. Contact with a Cheatriot player knocked the ball loose. He regained possession of the ball but by that time was OOB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Wait a second, the ball was thrown, if he never had possession of it how was it a fumble? I can see where it would not be a touchdown but how can it be a fumble? He lost the ball midair diving for the Pylon. He regained it and hit the Pylon. That's Touchdown. No other way to see it on replay. The actual moment he touches the Pylon the ball is obscured. Immediately afterward he clearly has the ball. The ruling of a touchback had zero eveidence to support it much less conclusive evidence. The ruling on the field should have stood absolutely . He had possession. Contact with a Cheatriot player knocked the ball loose. He regained possession of the ball but by that time was OOB. You actually cannot tell at what moment possession was regained. The call should have stood, there is no other way to call it. Evidence must be conclusive to overturn the call on the field and it was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 He had possession. Contact with a Cheatriot player knocked the ball loose. He regained possession of the ball but by that time was OOB. Whatever happened to that non-sense about controlling the ball all the way to the ground, he had it for two steps and lost it, in todays NFL i dont think that is going to be ruled a catch. Guess the point is this entire what is a catch in the NFL has turned into a absolute farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 He lost the ball midair diving for the Pylon. He regained it and hit the Pylon. That's Touchdown. No other way to see it on replay. The actual moment he touches the Pylon the ball is obscured. Immediately afterward he clearly has the ball. The ruling of a touchback had zero eveidence to support it much less conclusive evidence. The ruling on the field should have stood absolutely . You actually cannot tell at what moment possession was regained. The call should have stood, there is no other way to call it. Evidence must be conclusive to overturn the call on the field and it was not. You can when you have access to ALL of the camera angles. The NFL reviewed the tape and the call was correct. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21042849/officiating-czar-stands-call-nullify-new-york-jets-touchdown NFL senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron said Monday it was "clear and obvious" to overturn New York Jets tight end's Austin Seferian-Jenkins' touchdown catch in the fourth quarter Sunday against the New England Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 You can when you have access to ALL of the camera angles. The NFL reviewed the tape and the call was correct. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21042849/officiating-czar-stands-call-nullify-new-york-jets-touchdown NFL senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron said Monday it was "clear and obvious" to overturn New York Jets tight end's Austin Seferian-Jenkins' touchdown catch in the fourth quarter Sunday against the New England Patriots. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-rip-overturned-td-call-vs-patriots-ex-nfl-vp-of-refs-says-league-messed-up/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 You can when you have access to ALL of the camera angles. The NFL reviewed the tape and the call was correct. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21042849/officiating-czar-stands-call-nullify-new-york-jets-touchdown NFL senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron said Monday it was "clear and obvious" to overturn New York Jets tight end's Austin Seferian-Jenkins' touchdown catch in the fourth quarter Sunday against the New England Patriots. The guy that made the decision is defending it? Well, that clears that up then... Bottom line is, it was no where near conclusive enough to overturn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 You can when you have access to ALL of the camera angles. The NFL reviewed the tape and the call was correct. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21042849/officiating-czar-stands-call-nullify-new-york-jets-touchdown NFL senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron said Monday it was "clear and obvious" to overturn New York Jets tight end's Austin Seferian-Jenkins' touchdown catch in the fourth quarter Sunday against the New England Patriots. What else is the officials supposed to say, we blew it or we dont know for sure? Regardless, by today's NFL rules I dont think he had possession long enough to even qualify as a catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Former guys arguing with current guy.... No hard feelings there .. I can see it either way. I am not a fan of either team so its no big deal to me. Edited October 16, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 !@#$ the patriots and mother!@#$ marsha! That is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 What else is the officials supposed to say, we blew it or we dont know for sure? Regardless, by today's NFL rules I dont think he had possession long enough to even qualify as a catch. It wouldn't be the first time the NFL admitted to a HUGE mistake. Look at it this way fellas ------ this is one more notch in Brady's belt of retirement. All time winning record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 You can when you have access to ALL of the camera angles. The NFL reviewed the tape and the call was correct. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21042849/officiating-czar-stands-call-nullify-new-york-jets-touchdownNFL senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron said Monday it was "clear and obvious" to overturn New York Jets tight end's Austin Seferian-Jenkins' touchdown catch in the fourth quarter Sunday against the New England Patriots. Where exactly is this mysterious angle that shows clear and obvious evidence? It certainly isn't in that clip and wasn't on TV yesterday either. It's a bit strange that it's not being made available to fans, probably because it doesn't exist. These angles it sure looks as though he has the ball when he hits the Pylon it's not clear enough to say otherwise. The play was not ruled a fumble on the field, which is key here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) You can when you have access to ALL of the camera angles. The NFL reviewed the tape and the call was correct. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21042849/officiating-czar-stands-call-nullify-new-york-jets-touchdown NFL senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron said Monday it was "clear and obvious" to overturn New York Jets tight end's Austin Seferian-Jenkins' touchdown catch in the fourth quarter Sunday against the New England Patriots. Ha. Not even remotely true. He lost the ball for a split second, grabbed it and landed in bounds. Hitting the pylon with your body doesn't mean you are down. That's actually irrelevant to the play. Even if that didn't happen, there is no evidence to overturn. Just a real bad look for the NFL. Real bad. Edited October 16, 2017 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 TBD has good banning capabilities, they don't just ban you by name. inside info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Please report Peterman threads so he may be banned He was banned on BBMB for being a troll on at least 10 different screen names. His original screen name at least the first one I know of was HighFootballIQ. It's only a matter of time but he'll come back over and over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Yeah. I don't think anyone has anything in the playbook to combat that nonsense. What the hell is the point of instant replay when the final call is worse than the initial one. And it goes back to that "tuck rule" game for the Pats vs the Raiders. Nobody had heard of that rule and the ref comes up with it for that crucial play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) I've spoken to several contacts I have in the scouting world this past week and they all said the obvious..... LMAO you can't be serious to think anyone believes you. When you were talking to the Cheatriots scouts did they have any idea how they are going to replace Gilmore and /or improve the Cheats D?? lol Edited October 16, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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