BringBackOrton Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 No, because it was proven true. Opinions supported by facts are all that we ask for. Rex took the #2 DVOA defense and brought them to 24 & 27. He leaves and they are right near the top. That supports that he was awful. And Tyrod Taylor's league leading time to throw for the last two seasons doesn't support his hesistancy to throw the football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Well if you look since the Bills last playoff appearance many years started well and (2-2 or better) and slowly reality sunk in.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2000.htm Go ahead Bills, prove me wrong....... Just seen this story played out over and over...... We never had two wins in a row like this.Atlanta and Denver are quality competition. Winning in Atlanta is a tremendous victory for any team. Plus the Coaching and QB are better than those past teams. The offense still doesn't turn the ball over, with this defense. That is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 No, because it was proven true. Opinions supported by facts are all that we ask for. Rex took the #2 DVOA defense and brought them to 24 & 27. He leaves and they are right near the top. That supports that he was awful. And this year the Offense is even worse. Add to that near the bottom in Time of Possession. Thankful for turnovers and that 7:30 fourth quarter drive vs. Denver (and the Von Miller penalty). Actually incredible as they are a run first team, which should chew up the clock...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 And this year the Offense is even worse. Add to that near the bottom in Time of Possession. Thankful for turnovers and that 7:30 fourth quarter drive vs. Denver (and the Von Miller penalty). Actually incredible as they are a run first team, which should chew up the clock...... And that long drive this week in the 3rd/4th... think it was 11 minutes of game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 And Tyrod Taylor's league leading time to throw for the last two seasons doesn't support his hesistancy to throw the football? The Bills are now 18-15 when he plays. Imagine the last two seasons with a better defense. But keep on with the agenda. Bills could win their first playoff game with him, but pass for 200 yards and you still wouldn't be happy. How many QBs could get more from the offense we have at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 The Bills are now 18-15 when he plays. Imagine the last two seasons with a better defense. But keep on with the agenda. Bills could win their first playoff game with him, but pass for 200 yards and you still wouldn't be happy. How many QBs could get more from the offense we have at WR. Are you intentionally being irrelevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 And Tyrod Taylor's league leading time to throw for the last two seasons doesn't support his hesistancy to throw the football? That stat correlates very strongly with mobile QBs. That shouldn't be a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 And Tyrod Taylor's league leading time to throw for the last two seasons doesn't support his hesistancy to throw the football? It supports that he extends plays with his feet rather than giving up on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 It supports that he extends plays with his feet rather than giving up on them. Depends on what argument you're making, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 And that long drive this week in the 3rd/4th... think it was 11 minutes of game time. I forgot that and still lost TOP....... Again very happy with the record, just not getting ahead of myself........ Tell you what if they make the playoffs and win throwing for less then 200 I'll be okay. BTW were you defending Rob Johnson the last time the Bills made the playoffs and he put up 132 yards passing, because he left the field with the lead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) Depends on what argument you're making, I suppose. No, it really doesn't. To support your argument you would need to look at time in the pocket, which is different than the stat you are trying to use. Edited October 3, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Are you intentionally being irrelevant? I'll give you credit. Most of the agenda people have been silent last week and now. You still continue your rampage. Have to give points for determination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 No, it really doesn't. To support your argument you would need to look at time in the pocket, which is different than the stat you are trying to use. Where does Tyrod rank in that stat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Where does Tyrod rank in that stat? I don't know. It's not something that is traditionally tracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I don't know. It's not something that is traditionally tracked. Well until that day, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) And Tyrod Taylor's league leading time to throw for the last two seasons doesn't support his hesistancy to throw the football?He's been top 10 in QBR since he has been a starter. And no it doesn't support hesitancy because he's a different player. He has runs in the middle of his progressions and the Bills run a zillion RPOs. He's asked to do different things than Mike Glennon. Time to throw isn't really a big factor to include at all when thinking about Tyrod or any mobile QB. Edited October 3, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 BTW were you defending Rob Johnson the last time the Bills made the playoffs and he put up 132 yards passing, because he left the field with the lead? I wasn't an NFL fan then. I have never seen the Bills make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Hes been top 10 in QBR since he haven a starter. And no it doesn't support hesitancy because he's a different player. He has run in the middle of his progressions and the Bills run a zillion RPOs. He's asked to do different things than Mike Glennon. Time to throw isn't really a big factor to include at all when thinking about Tyrod or any mobile QB. Are you trying to one up JM2009's irrelevant stat game or? How else would you measure pass hesistancy besides Time to Throw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 I wasn't an NFL fan then. I have never seen the Bills make the playoffs. Too bad, may have been one of the most assinine discussion threads ever....... Doug Flutie pulled (many say by the owner's proclomation) for the playoff game. The Defense played maybe the best game I've ever seen, making up for Rob Johnson's ineptitude on offense. Rob Johnson should never have started the game and was just terrible, but many argued that he left the field leading and his 60 minutes of lousy play didn't contribute to the loss........ Much like the offense being near the bottom this year, but the Bills being 3-1...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) Are you trying to one up JM2009's irrelevant stat game or? How else would you measure pass hesistancy besides Time to Throw? Missed receivers, there is a thread every week on here where every pass play is charted. I suggest that you utilize that. How many plays were missed is charted here. I saw 1 this week and 1 last week. There may be more but I don't break down the all 22s. Every mobile QB is high though because they make guys miss and keep plays along. That's common sense. Edited October 3, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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yungmack Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I guess we cant sign Kirk Cousins either. He lost and threw for under 250 in Arrowhead. His WR dropped the game winning TD, but thats got to be on Kirk. Im glad we have this new definition of what a good starting quarterback is. He's destined for SF next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 And I see you've suffered as long as I have (1972). Sorry that I expect more. Amazing how excited we are with a 3-1 start........ to each their own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Too bad, may have been one of the most assinine discussion threads ever....... Doug Flutie pulled (many say by the owner's proclomation) for the playoff game. The Defense played maybe the best game I've ever seen, making up for Rob Johnson's ineptitude on offense. Rob Johnson should never have started the game and was just terrible, but many argued that he left the field leading and his 60 minutes of lousy play didn't contribute to the loss........ Much like the offense being near the bottom this year, but the Bills being 3-1...... And if it had been Taylor leaving the field with the lead back in 2000? Personally, I'm fine with Taylor right now. Give him some real targets a la Sammy Watkins and he can put up numbers. The Bills will probably have to improve their passing attack to have a shot at the playoffs. Trying to compare the current Bills to one game with Johnson is a stretch . And regardless of your opinion on Flutie, the fact is that the game was a defensive struggle for both QBs and Johnson engineered a FG drive late. The argument isn't that his play did not contribute to the loss. It may have, but it was minimal. The argument was that he did enough to win. The Bills had the lead and only had to cover a kickoff to win. It's a poor argument in that very specific situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Missed receivers, there is a thread every week on here where every pass play is charted. I suggest that you utilize that. How many plays were missed is charted here. I saw 1 this week and 1 last week. There may be more but I don't break down the all 22s. Every mobile QB is high though because they make guys miss and keep plays along. That's common sense. Why is TT higher than all the other mobile QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Who's in First place in the AFCE? I am I wasn't an NFL fan then. I have never seen the Bills make the playoffs. you're must be a youngin 17 years? how young are you? How sweet it was ..... to each their own... we all expect more It comes down to what you can be happy with. no digs at anyone jmo, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I AM NOT ANTI TYROD. Funny that. I say I don't think Taylor is going to be all that much different a QB than he was the last couple years and I'm AntiTyrod You say I've said all along and I'll say it again, I don't think Taylor is going to be all that much different a QB than he was the last couple years And you are not? That's because to me Taylor isn't a transcendent talent, but with the right offense of system, coaching and playcalling I think he can be really good. Like top 10 good. When I wanted him gone last year after the Pittsburgh game it was largely because I thought our coaching staff wouldn't be fired at the end of the year. Quarterbacks improve with playing time and experience, but that doesn't mean they're going to become different QBs than they were in the beginning. Taylor has demonstrated the ability to be a competent starting QB in the NFL since he first took the field in 2015. He still might not be our starter next year, but he's going to be starting somewhere in the NFL. So no, despite you trying to be tricky here, I've never been one of those anTy guys who shouts things like "he's no better than a back up QB" or "he's just in our being playing QB," but I'm also not the homer who thinks he's going to become the next Drew Brees have painted me to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Exactly the Bills and the idea of a 14 point lead is non-existent. Yep 1-2X's/yr it happens (SF, NYJ & Miami), but usually it is close to the vest and hope you are ahead in the 4th (as they don't come back either). But yes so far so good in 2017. Doesn't make for exciting offensive football though. You arent good at this last year we were up 14+ against the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 You arent good at this last year we were up 14+ against the Raiders. and KC the year before (10 to 14 iirc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Why is TT higher than all the other mobile QB's?Because he extends plays longer than any QB in football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Because he extends plays longer than any QB in football? That's certainly one theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Patrick Moran @PatMoranTweets 3h3 hours ago More If you’re still hating on Tyrod, nothing he does will please you. He's playing reasonably well & making FAR better choices than ever before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 And if it had been Taylor leaving the field with the lead back in 2000? Personally, I'm fine with Taylor right now. Give him some real targets a la Sammy Watkins and he can put up numbers. The Bills will probably have to improve their passing attack to have a shot at the playoffs. Trying to compare the current Bills to one game with Johnson is a stretch . And regardless of your opinion on Flutie, the fact is that the game was a defensive struggle for both QBs and Johnson engineered a FG drive late. The argument isn't that his play did not contribute to the loss. It may have, but it was minimal. The argument was that he did enough to win. The Bills had the lead and only had to cover a kickoff to win. It's a poor argument in that very specific situation. So wrong. He fumbled the ball, created no offense, was sacked 6 times and wow completed 2 passes for 23 yards that final drive. He was absolutely the reason the Bills were not up 20 points that game. McNair had 76 yards passing and Eddie George while he ran it okay 119 yards on 29 carries (checked the box score) were stuffed. Johnson was the reason they lost. If Flutie put up those #'s I'd have said the same about him...... and KC the year before (10 to 14 iirc) Yep and then they stopped looking at Watkins (who burned them the first half) and tried to grind it out. With the Raiders they just got steamrolled and forgot how to play offense. Both on the road and a terrible defense. Thanks for taking it so literally....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) So wrong. He fumbled the ball, created no offense, was sacked 6 times and wow completed 2 passes for 23 yards that final drive. He was absolutely the reason the Bills were not up 20 points that game. McNair had 76 yards passing and Eddie George while he ran it okay 119 yards on 29 carries (checked the box score) were stuffed. Johnson was the reason they lost. If Flutie put up those #'s I'd have said the same about him...... It's not wrong. I'd feel the same regardless of the QB. Every game is different . Cover a kick. There were only seconds left . The game was over barring a huge gaffe/ screwup that practically never happens. Johnson made more plays than McNair did and both defense's were very good. Heck Flutie couldn't beat a horrible NYG team at home that DEC which was a big reason that the game was in TEN and not BUF Edited October 3, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 So wrong. He fumbled the ball, created no offense, was sacked 6 times and wow completed 2 passes for 23 yards that final drive. He was absolutely the reason the Bills were not up 20 points that game. McNair had 76 yards passing and Eddie George while he ran it okay 119 yards on 29 carries (checked the box score) were stuffed. Johnson was the reason they lost. If Flutie put up those #'s I'd have said the same about him...... Yep and then they stopped looking at Watkins (who burned them the first half) and tried to grind it out. With the Raiders they just got steamrolled and forgot how to play offense. Both on the road and a terrible defense. Thanks for taking it so literally....... Both of those games IMO were the key game they needed to win to clinch a WC. In 2015 KC locked onto the 5th seed after that game and never let go of that spot. In 2016 - Oak... that failure in the 2nd half may have been the beginning of the end for Rex (and Rob) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 It's not wrong. I'd feel the same regardless of the QB. Every game is different . Cover a kick. There were only seconds left . The game was over barring a huge gaffe/ screwup that practically never happens. Johnson made more plays than McNair did and both defense's were very good. Heck Flutie couldn't beat a horrible NYG team at home that DEC which was a big reason that the game was in TEN and not BUF Is that you Coach Dickerson?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Is that you Coach Dickerson?????? Nope, but I was a fan of Chuck. He was entertaining . You are letting your Flutie love and feelings of betrayal color your view on that game. Let's say DF was injured and RJ had to play. Cover a kick . It was like 20 second or less . Eddie George had a tear running down his face when the FG kick went through. The game was over. RJ didn't play very well. He directed a drive late and pulled it out pretty much. Kind of Flutie -esque actually . I'll take that game situation every time, much less in a playoff game vs a good D. The team with the lead and just having to kick off would win about 999 times out of 1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) I believe we'll still need an upgrade at QB to win our 1st SB, but Tyrod is playing very welll. I'm leaning a little bit towards wait and see because he has taken his game up a notch and he's doing it with very little talent at WR or on the OL. We have no deep threat either and teams are just loading up to stop Shady's ground game. I care far less about yards than I do about points and even that is an imperfect measure. If you have a lead, for example, you will try to slow the game down and play conservatively rather than piling on the points (usually, if you have a good D). It looks like no QB in college has established himself as a sure bet, so Mr. Beane may decide to keep all those picks and just take best available to sit behind Tyrod while developing and let's not forget about Peterman. We still don't know where his ceiling is. This will be fun to watch. I feel better about this team than I have in a long time. Kudos to the coaching staff on this as well. I'd like to see more TD's vs FG's, but with the D playing so well (especially in the red zone) we can still win enough games to finally get to the playoffs. Let's just hope it lasts. Edited October 3, 2017 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 you're must be a youngin 17 years? how young are you? Nah I am just British. The NFL didn't really register on my radar until I was 18 and visited the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Nah I am just British. The NFL didn't really register on my radar until I was 18 and visited the US. Hope you weren't at that Jags game ...grrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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