BmarvB Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) What does a hooker have in common with Rob Ryan as a DC? Edited September 22, 2017 by BmarvB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 What does a hooker have in common with Rob Ryan as a DC? No more money once they're out of tricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 In a perfect vacuum, obviously the Bills should have kept Watkins. Woods is not a key player, but it certainly would not have hurt to keep him. Managing the cap, however, is a challenging and delicate task. Given Buffalo's cap situation at the time, I can't blame the Bills for letting go of Woods. As far as Watkins is concerned, I absolutely think he is an elite talent. At the time the Bills made the trade, I don't know what information they had about the status of his recovery form foot surgery. Nobody knows what his salary demands would have been following the 2017 season. What the Bills did in making a trade was in essence a hedging of a bet on their wide receiver situation both near and long term. The gave up the possibility of having an elite receiver because he might not have been healthy and might have been too expensive after 2017, in return gaining a good receiver (Matthews) who can probably be retained for less money than Watkins (I realize it took two transactions for the Bills to end up with Matthews, the actual Matthews trade being with Philadelphia). Because there are draft picks involved with the two trades, it is probably going to take at least a couple years to come up with a reasonable assessment of whether or not Buffalo came out ahead in the two transactions. In the mean time, Rob Ryan has a difficult enough time handling the complexities of coaching, without trying to take on GM responsibilities too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) Sammy could be a top 5 WR if he stays healthy. With Sammy it would come down to what he wanted contract wise vs can I deal with him playing 10 weeks a season. The contract I would push for Sammy would be a 4 year deal for 38 mil and a lot of bonus money for numbers and playoffs. Only problem is I think Sammy would want a 4 year deal for 60 and that's too much for how much time he misses. We had no choice but to trade Sammy for a 2nd, it sucks but our hands were tied on that one. Robert Woods is a WR that wish we still had, he wasn't a number 1 but he is better than a number 2. For the contract that the Rams gave him I would be very happy with that deal in Buffalo. In a windy stadium like this you need big WR's with good hands and speed that can win battles. With a new QB, 2018 will be a fun year if this defense keeps improving and we add offensive weapons in FA and the draft. Edited September 22, 2017 by Call_Of_Ktulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Not to defend the Ryan brothers, but the reply to that would be, "Why am I on your show if I'm not so brilliant?" If course, remembering the confusion and late defensive play calling last year, Rob would think of that reply several questions later. Skips proper response would've been "because you're and idiot and that makes for entertaining TV. Now, why is it that you don't have a job again?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Watkins I would have liked to keep. Woods was a free agent and probably much happier playing in LA. Happy for both players, wish they were still bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Turned on undisputed with skip and shannon this morning and the guest was Rob Ryan. He was slamming Buffalo for getting rid of Watkins and Woods and made some other jabs at our franchise. Why the Pegs ever allowed them the opportunity to work at OBD is beyond me! I gave the Ryan brothers every chance in the book. I wished skip or Shannon had said, "why aren't you employed if you are so brilliant?" Must be a slow friday if the best they can do as a guest is Rob Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Not to defend Ryan, but a lot of people in the football community will be criticizing the Bills for dumping Watkins and Woods this weekend. We traded watkins... so i guess we dumped him. Woods was a UFA and got overpaid based on his accomplishments in years 1-4. So sick of hearing about these trades!! It's over - move on. As for Rob Ryan - you're a failure. Get on with your life - the NFL dream is over for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Turned on undisputed with skip and shannon this morning and the guest was Rob Ryan. He was slamming Buffalo for getting rid of Watkins and Woods and made some other jabs at our franchise. Why the Pegs ever allowed them the opportunity to work at OBD is beyond me! I gave the Ryan brothers every chance in the book. I wished skip or Shannon had said, "why aren't you employed if you are so brilliant?" I'm just waiting for one of these 2 loudmouths (Rex and Rob) to violate the non disclosure agreement that was likely in their contract (seems like something Pegula puts in every exec & coaches contract), and lose out on all the money they have left on their contracts... We didn't dump Woods. He was a FA and left. Yup. People love to blame McDermott for this one (and Gilmore too) but that is just BS. Whaley had a year to sign Woods and 2 years to sign Gilmore. It was reported long before McDermott got here that the Bills were not willing to go above $11.5M on Gilmore and that they weren't even negotiating with Robert Woods (whether that was because they didn't want Woods, or woods didn't want to be here I don't know. I do know that there were reports of him wanting to go home to cali though). Plus the Bills only had $19M in cap space entering the offseason, with 26 free agents. That's a lot of holes to fill and very little cap space to fill them with. Especially if you give Woods $7M and/or Gilmore $13M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) Rex was a great D Coordinator who should have stayed in Baltimore. Obviously he was not the legend that his dad was, but he was good. What D. Rex was a shell of a coordinator who got lucky and lived off his dad's work. Rob was the leach who lived off Rex's short burst of fame. They were both all mouthy egomaniacs who sucked the life out of a tremendous defense. They are vile to all who treasure Bills football. Edited September 22, 2017 by BillsRdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Rob Ryan and some fans here have one thing in common. They can't let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Turned on undisputed with skip and shannon this morning and the guest was Rob Ryan. He was slamming Buffalo for getting rid of Watkins and Woods and made some other jabs at our franchise. Why the Pegs ever allowed them the opportunity to work at OBD is beyond me! I gave the Ryan brothers every chance in the book. I wished skip or Shannon had said, "why aren't you employed if you are so brilliant?" Granted, if he's that bad and is right- the decision will really be underscored as exceptionally silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I can't watch thiose clowns. But I will admit Rex is funny in the commercials. I'm glad he's there and not on our sidelines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Apparently the bills are the only team that loses good players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Apparently the bills are the only team that loses good players Yeah, you didn't know this? It's not like the bengals lost 2 of their top 3 WR's and their stud TE can't stay on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Getting rid of Watkins made zero sense. As for Ryan they should have asked him what changes the Bills made defensively to get off to such a good start this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) Granted, if he's that bad and is right- the decision will really be underscored as exceptionally sillyRegardless of whether they turn out to be or not, it's easy to say these moves were mistakes. It takes no critical thinking to parrot this popular view and offer nothing more, which, without hearing the interview, is what I'm assuming happened because it fits the Ryan family MO. It's Rex's comments on the Bills-Jets game, redux. The jilted Ryans will never acknowledge that if they were better coaches they wouldn't have been fired 4 times in 2 years, collectively, because it would mean finally accepting responsibility for their shortcomings, which is not in their DNA. Instead they will stand together with their "us against the world" approach and take their cheap, mindless potshots against all who have wronged them at every provided opportunity. He's probably just mad he can't afford to give a go-fer $1000 per week to stock his junk food drawer anymore, the fat, useless POS. Edited September 23, 2017 by transient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Fredo speaks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) Rob actually said this .. @salsports ...Ryan: "There were a couple coaches not good enough for them, either, but will be tearing it up next year." Oh. Ok. So he's suggesting him and his brother Rex will both be coaching next year and "tearing it up." Edited September 23, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Rob actually said this .. @salsports ...Ryan: "There were a couple coaches not good enough for them, either, but will be tearing it up next year." Oh. Ok. So he's suggesting him and his brother Rex will both be coaching next year and "tearing it up." I think that was taken out of context. When he was talking about tearing it up with Rex it was in reference to the buffet at Golden Corral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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