Kelly the Dog Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I didn't for awhile and then I did and did again for a few days but then didn't until the new guys did that one thing and then I really did but when they did that other thing I kinda didn't for a long time but then I did and when I heard about that one guy and the thing I really did but then someone convinced me I shouldn't until I felt like killing that dude so I didn't and then I don't know why but I did and not I think we both know what I'm talk about when I say kinda but not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) I think the whaley "era" is muddy. To me, it was one general era of levy-brandon-nix-whaley. It was all a series of resignations, management take one step to the left, and repackage it, while outsourcing blame. The team used heavy collaborating between brandon, nix, whaley, overdorf, wilson until late 00s, etc... they were always acting as if the bills were only one or two pieces away... when the team would have numerous ailments such as coaching, depth, qb, secondary, o-line, etc... Now we are seeing real, centralized football management. They are ripping the bandaid off. It stings, but they are building their program, which takes time. Im not worried about average age. That can and will be undone in one off-season. Many picks and possibly a qb in the 2018 draft... some growth next year and more 2019 picks and new-found cap space. A lot rests on the scouts and talent evaluators Edited September 4, 2017 by May Day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knicks&Bills Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I dunno man. So far the new guy is making Whaley look good by comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 It's funny, if Jim Shorts was simply our DC for 15 and 16 seasons and everything stayed the same,I truly believe Whaley is not only still here, but we would have been playoff bound already and expectations would be sky high right now. He had many faults but he provided talent, unfortunately when the O went from terrible to average-above average, Rex came and dismantled what would have been a consistent top 5-7 D under Shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 He found solid bargain basement talent in the FA market, lers see how good team Beane is at the draft before we call whaley back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 So far they seem like the same guy. Whaley wanted roster filled with Steelers, Beane wants it filled with Panthers. Wash risnse repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 So far they seem like the same guy. Whaley wanted roster filled with Steelers, Beane wants it filled with Panthers. Wash risnse repeat. Yep. But maybe that's a common thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I think the whaley "era" is muddy. To me, it was one general era of levy-brandon-nix-whaley. It was all a series of resignations, management take one step to the left, and repackage it, while outsourcing blame. The team used heavy collaborating between brandon, nix, whaley, overdorf, wilson until late 00s, etc... they were always acting as if the bills were only one or two pieces away... when the team would have numerous ailments such as coaching, depth, qb, secondary, o-line, etc... Now we are seeing real, centralized football management. They are ripping the bandaid off. It stings, but they are building their program, which takes time. Im not worried about average age. That can and will be undone in one off-season. Many picks and possibly a qb in the 2018 draft... some growth next year and more 2019 picks and new-found cap space. A lot rests on the scouts and talent evaluators THIS! I really like what this new regime is doing so far. The stocking of draft picks for next year to perhaps obtain that real franchise QB! And in a class that I hear should be very good. Now I just hope they build a Dallas like offensive line to protect that QB. I have a high degree of optimism going into this season thinking that these new people in charge of the football operations really know what they are doing. As far as Whaley goes.. he and others have had their hands tied in regards to no real football mind at the top in Buffalo to help guide them. From what I see the Buffalo version of Matt Millen is finally out of the football side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 THIS! I really like what this new regime is doing so far. The stocking of draft picks for next year to perhaps obtain that real franchise QB! And in a class that I hear should be very good. Now I just hope they build a Dallas like offensive line to protect that QB. I have a high degree of optimism going into this season thinking that these new people in charge of the football operations really know what they are doing. As far as Whaley goes.. he and others have had their hands tied in regards to no real football mind at the top in Buffalo to help guide them. From what I see the Buffalo version of Matt Millen is finally out of the football side of things. If it works, they'll get geniuses. If not, they'll be morons. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I dunno man. So far the new guy is making Whaley look good by comparison What?!?! This regime is undefeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Interesting to note that the Bills and Jets, both of whom have been accused of tanking, are also both dealing with the terrible fallout of having hired Rex Ryan to be their HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I haven't read all of this thread. That is my disclaimer. I think that Whaley assembled a better roster than we have now. I am not sure that's even debatable. The coaching will be a little better so the results will be what they will be. In general though, Whaley has proven better at assembling an NFL roster than Beane. There is a reason that the Steelers loved him. He did a decent job. He just got stuck with Rex. Perfectly said and I agree completely. There is more than one way to build a roster. Kiko is a below average LB and he was traded for the best player on the team now. Whaley traded away too many picks. But without Rex, they are a playoff team last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Just adding a little fuel to the fire here. After the moves that have been made recently is there anyone out there that misses DW yet? Been so many head scratcher moves lately I don't know how to feel about the new regime anymore. One day I love em the next I hate em. At least with Whaley we knew he wasn't gonna blindside us and his priority was to win now. You do know Whaley will never be a GM again in the NFL, I doubt a team even hires him as a scout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Just adding a little fuel to the fire here. After the moves that have been made recently is there anyone out there that misses DW yet? Been so many head scratcher moves lately I don't know how to feel about the new regime anymore. One day I love em the next I hate em. At least with Whaley we knew he wasn't gonna blindside us and his priority was to win now. Exactly...I would have never picked Khalil Mack in the first round and then Carr in the second round. Taking a WR who specializes in screens and giving up our next year's first round pick was definitely the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I miss his informative press conferences Ha! Well, they certainly did generate press! You do know Whaley will never be a GM again in the NFL, I doubt a team even hires him as a scout. He's a good football talent evaluator. If he wanted a job as a scout or pro personnel evaluator I'm sure he could find one, but thanks to the extension he signed, he's being well-paid by the Pegulas to take his time and look for his next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Exactly...I would have never picked Khalil Mack in the first round and then Carr in the second round. Taking a WR who specializes in screens and giving up our next year's first round pick was definitely the way to go. That would have been a disaster! What would we have done without Cyrus Kouandjio? Good thing Doug Whaley was on the job. Seeing EJ's greatness, he was not taken in by Carr's false promise. He stood tall and Kouanjio he cried! And boy am I ever glad he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 That would have been a disaster! What would we have done without Cyrus Kouandjio? Good thing Doug Whaley was on the job. Seeing EJ's greatness, he was not taken in by Carr's false promise. He stood tall and Kouanjio he cried! And boy am I ever glad he did. His persistent pushing of EJ as a franchise guy did him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 That would have been a disaster! What would we have done without Cyrus Kouandjio? Good thing Doug Whaley was on the job. Seeing EJ's greatness, he was not taken in by Carr's false promise. He stood tall and Kouanjio he cried! And boy am I ever glad he did. You and I are on the same page...Amari Cooper, Derrick Carr, Khalil Mack....pfffffffff..please. Sammy and Kouanjo are where it's at. Thanks Whales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) I'm going to have to disagree on the above. How was he stuck on his guy, EJ? After EJ he brought in Kyle Orton. The following year Tyrod Taylor. The next year he drafted Cardale, and last year Peterman. He put in a lot of effort and was not "stuck on EJ" IMHO. Never confuse effort with results. Whaley went into training camp with Manuel, Tuel, and Lewis as his QB's, not once which is bad, but twice...that is inexcusable. Kyle Orton was a journeyman QB brought in at the last minute after Marrone blew a gasket. Tyrod was not a hot commidity when brought in and all reports were Rex pushed hard for him. Peterman and Cardale were 4th and 5th round picks, one considered a major project and the other a quality backup candidate. When you consider what little effort and treasure Whaley put into replacing EJ and the fact Whaley was according to reports pushing EJ on the coaching candidates during the Rex hire, traded away the coach's choice for backup QB (Cassel) to elevate EJ, and allegedly pushed for EJ to start last year...I would say Whaley was clearly delusional to Manuel's ability and didn't do nearly enough to find a replacement when it was clear to just about everyone that EJ didn't have close to what it took to be a good NFL starter. Edited September 5, 2017 by Billy Zabka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Nobody's perfect. Whaley bitching was way overblown here in Buffalo. Bitchers never realized that he had built the most talented team since the 90s. A top ranked D. The best run offense. But tragically for him, not in the same !@#$ing year. If the team made the playoffs, all the bitchers would never have complained about cap. Cap can be managed from year to year. You can't keep every high priced talent you find. We had them because Whaley was good enough to find them! Could he have grown with us, who knows. Look at Beane. He's a rook. Making all kinds of rook mistakes. We're still paying for these mistakes. We all know this team is less talented than last year's. Beane is going to get a chance Whaley didn't - he's going to be able to draft from the best QB class in two decades. Maybe three. And Whaley helped set up for his success by trading for the extra 1st round pick from KC. But life's tough. I thank Whaley for the talent. At the end of the day, the team's owned by Pegulas, not us. Can't do ****. Cheer them on, and hope one year they get it right, or like in Carolina's case, got LUCKY with Cam. Chances are, this clownshow Beane's about to get lucky next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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