Kirby Jackson Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) I understand your fear of such power being placed in inexperienced hands. It is something that I have found concerning as well. Beane and McD will leave Buffalo behind as an utter disaster, or they will be the best thing to happen to this franchise. This is a real boom or bust regime imo. The only thing that comforts me is that we can't really hit rock bottom. We already have a 17 year playoff drought. I find it difficult to be up in arms over the loss of Sammy (or any player) on a team that was going nowhere. Beane and McD think they are building for the future. Their plan may or may not work. We don't have much to lose as the present offers little hope. I understand where many posters are coming from. I'm just viewing this through a different lens. Ps here is your quote "Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the Bills mess this up. My biggest fear is that they use a bunch of capital to move up and take the wrong guy at QB." I guess you never said they "will" take the wrong QB, you're just "pretty sure".We are on the same page here for sure. My frustration stems from the fact that I believe Watkins will be a star. He's 24 and should be the center piece of the rebuild. I'm not one that wants change just because its change. It has to make sense to me. I loved the draft moves this year. I hated this move. We will see how it all works out but it will be interesting for sure. p.s. The "pretty sure" comment was in regards to the use of the draft compensation not the QB pick. Edited August 12, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2-14 would be better so would 1-15.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Yeah, he really did a lot for this organization while he was here. Now I understand why you don't think we threw in the 2017 towel. You hate Sammy, it makes sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Matthews ends his time with the Eagles after three seasons, pulling in 225 catches for 2,673 yards and 19 touchdowns. He missed just two games over the past three seasons, and totaled more catches in his first three seasons than any other receiver in team history. Watkins? Not so much.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2-14 would be better If we go 2-14 can we get someone awesome like Connor Cook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I heard this while I was in a meeting at work and almost fell out of my chair. While I can get behind the Darby deal; the Watkins deal reeks of us wanting to move on for either injury concern or maturity issues. I was all for us doing a mini rebuild, but I would expect for Wood, TT, Hughes, Kyle, Richie and Shady to be moved; not the young guys you can build around. You are spot on with this comment... They still want the defense to be competitive and if Tyrod wasn't retained then Kyle, lorax walk and Hyde doesn't sign. All we need is for the offense to be horrible and retool the defense and we can be competitive next year with a franchise QB (hopefully). If we go 2-14 can we get someone awesome like Connor Cook? Right on! Or Carson Wentz. so would 1-15.... Exactly! Let's just do 0-16 to make sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Not hitting rick bottom has been our biggest issue... Hasn't been for a lack of digging... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Matthews ends his time with the Eagles after three seasons, pulling in 225 catches for 2,673 yards and 19 touchdowns. He missed just two games over the past three seasons, and totaled more catches in his first three seasons than any other receiver in team history. [/size] Watkins? Not so much....[/size] And this means what in the possibility of either player suffering a season ender on opening day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Just got home from work. A friend texted me this news, and I spent about ten minutes being despondent. A few thoughts: 1) I was at the Bills Backers at Busby's watching the preseason, and several people wondered out loud why they were giving Sammy an entire quarter, but didn't give a single snap to Shady, Clay, or Boldin, and barely gave White, or Z. Jones a thing. Now we now. 2) Goff just got a lot better. 3) How pissed off is Tyrod right now? 4) I wonder: did Sammy know what was going on during the game, or was he in the dark like the rest of us? 5) Mostly, I feel robbed that we never got to see Sammy at a season's full potential. Edited August 12, 2017 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 And this means what in the possibility of either player suffering a season ender on opening day? Nothing. But Sammy is so talented that if h got hurt it would really kill us. We are better off with crappy players so that way we are practically immune to injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Just heard on Murph. Holy freaking cow i'm not going to read through 56 pages of whining. what percentage of the board is melting down? just the Tyrod supporters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Now I understand why you don't think we threw in the 2017 towel. You hate Sammy, it makes sense now. Clearly the distinction of making a situation marginally worse for the short-term and to "Throwing in the towel" meaning quitting is too nuanced for you. Next time we communicate I will make sure we stick to words and concepts like "Good" and "Bad" so we can keep it on the level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 They still want the defense to be competitive and if Tyrod wasn't retained then Kyle, lorax walk and Hyde doesn't sign. All we need is for the offense to be horrible and retool the defense and we can be competitive next year with a franchise QB (hopefully). Kirby's post had it the best, you really have to be worse than those other teams to get your QB. If QBs are there and those teams need them, there is nothing we can offer to move up - that is my concern honestly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Nothing. But Sammy is so talented that if h got hurt it would really kill us. We are better off with crappy players so that way we are practically immune to injuries. So true. Thanks man , don't know how I wasn't seeing this before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Well, sucks for the season ticket holders... I'll probably be banned for cursing this move in about 10 weeks when I have fully given up on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Clearly the distinction of making a situation marginally worse for the short-term and to "Throwing in the towel" meaning quitting is too nuanced for you. Next time we communicate I will make sure we stick to words and concepts like "Good" and "Bad" so we can keep it on the level. The Bills did not get marginally worse in 2017 by ditching Sammy Watkins. They got a lot worse. Throwing in the towel worse. Should the Sabres trade Eichel for a crappy defenseman and a second round pick? I mean they'd only be marginally worse because they went out and got Pomainville. That proves they aren't throwing in the towel. Good Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 The Bills did not get marginally worse in 2017 by ditching Sammy Watkins. They got a lot worse. Throwing in the towel worse. Should the Sabres trade Eichel for a crappy defenseman and a second round pick? I mean they'd only be marginally worse because they went out and got Pomainville. That proves they aren't throwing in the towel. Good Lord. Bad post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 The Bills did not get marginally worse in 2017 by ditching Sammy Watkins. They got a lot worse. Throwing in the towel worse. Should the Sabres trade Eichel for a crappy defenseman and a second round pick? I mean they'd only be marginally worse because they went out and got Pomainville. That proves they aren't throwing in the towel. Good Lord. Didn't know you were so high on Sammy and the 2017 season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Bad post Pomainville = Boldin Eichel = Watkins Gaines = crappy defenseman Understand now? Didn't know you were so high on Sammy and the 2017 season... Now you do. Most people who watch football can see Sammy's ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
behind a post WMS69 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Beane made a comment along the lines of "they don't all have to be guys we brought in, some guys that were already here bought right in to what we are trying to do". To me, this implies that Sammy, somehow did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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