1st Ammendment NoMas Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 is this a sign that it's the Bills coaching of QB's is the root of the problem. I think under it all, we have not had good QB scouts or coaches or offensive schemes for a number of years. My stomach still turns at the thought of "the guru" David Lee destroying any arm in his path. I hope Culley is better, but I am not holding my breath just yet. We just always seem to be a step behind with our offensive play calling and do everything to mask the weakness of our passing game. Since the K-gun days, I can not recall a Bills Offense that struck fear into opponents and caused them to game plan for our offense instead of our offense trying to adjust to the defensive game plan thrown at us. Run, run pass, punt. Run, run, pass, punt has been a staple for so long. If Tyrod did not have the legs he has and Shady was not Shady, we would be so screwed. I am a bit anxious to see what Dennison can do when the pads are on and the bullets are flying. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) EJ is a bad NFL QB. That's all there is to it. Jones, I don't know. He hasn't played enough yet. Edited July 28, 2017 by JM2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 EJ will never be successful lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 What's the bar for success for either of these guys, just making the team? I suppose Cardale has a shot at future playing time, but not EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) So what happened to Derek Carr and Phillip Rivers? I'm also confused when you said we haven't had good QB scouts or coaches or offensive schemes. So if the scouts didn't scout the QB properly....how is that on the coaches? You can't turn crap into gold. Edited July 28, 2017 by Teeflebees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 What's the bar for success for either of these guys, just making the team? I suppose Cardale has a shot at future playing time, but not EJ. I would think a solid #2 would be the barometer. If either starts and plays over .500, I would say success. Figuring that we deemed both worse than Yates and Peterman, but time will tell. EJ will never be successful lol I feel the same. I've never seen anyone read the field as poor, but if somehow he shines in Oakland, I would blame our coaches for the stunted development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 If Cardale and EJ succeed with their new teams... Thoughts? I can not say. neither did with the bills and I really can't say it was coaching either, but it could of had some relevance? if I were to take a projected guess, it would be they may succeed holding a clip board, maybe a back up or third string but I don't see either starting and leading any team to the promise land? brown, edwards, losman, collins, etc did they go on to succeed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 They wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I would think a solid #2 would be the barometer. If either starts and plays over .500, I would say success. Figuring that we deemed both worse than Yates and Peterman, but time will tell. I feel the same. I've never seen anyone read the field as poor, but if somehow he shines in Oakland, I would blame our coaches for the stunted development. How is that on the coaches? They wont. I wouldn't be surprised if both are out of the league by 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Todd Collins actually did pretty good after he left Buffalo. Wasn't too bad in Washington as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I think EJ is what you might want in a backup. Hard worker, says the right things, team guy etc. That said, I'm glad he's another team's backup and not ours. Perhaps a change of scenery will help, but I don't see him being a first option starter in the league again. CJ I think is too raw to judge at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 This preseason will probably make or break the rest of EJ's NFL career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) Todd Collins actually did pretty good after he left Buffalo. Wasn't too bad in Washington as I recall. not really all that good. he came in for the injured campbell (2007) winning a few games finishing 9-7 and earning a wildcard. but the two 4th qtr ints was the nail (loss to the seahawks) in the coffin for his career in washington. he played one season with the bears where he filled in for cutler against the panthers and threw 4 ints before being relieved by hanie and then again in the nfc (loss) championship against the pack he came in for injured cutler only to suffer a shoulder injury and was replaced by hanie. his career (22 td/24 ints) was done following the 2010 season. Edited July 28, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 is this a sign that it's the Bills coaching of QB's is the root of the problem. I think under it all, we have not had good QB scouts or coaches or offensive schemes for a number of years. My stomach still turns at the thought of "the guru" David Lee destroying any arm in his path. I hope Culley is better, but I am not holding my breath just yet. We just always seem to be a step behind with our offensive play calling and do everything to mask the weakness of our passing game. Since the K-gun days, I can not recall a Bills Offense that struck fear into opponents and caused them to game plan for our offense instead of our offense trying to adjust to the defensive game plan thrown at us. Run, run pass, punt. Run, run, pass, punt has been a staple for so long. If Tyrod did not have the legs he has and Shady was not Shady, we would be so screwed. I am a bit anxious to see what Dennison can do when the pads are on and the bullets are flying. Thoughts? Coaching is a problem. But even with great coaches, I don't think Buffalo would have much success with the Quarterbacks we have fielded the last 15 years. - Rob Johnson was a backup before he came to Buffalo. After we let him go, he was a backup in Tampa Bay and never did much. Out of the league within 2 seasons. - Drew Bledsoe was declining before he came to Buffalo. He went to Dallas after us, played about the same as here, and then got replaced by Tony Romo. Out of the league within 2 seasons. - JP Losman never started a game after leaving Buffalo. Out of the league within 2 seasons. - Trent Edwards started 1 game after leaving Buffalo. Out of the league within 2 seasons. - Ryan Fitzpatrick has been the same guy for the last 9 years. Puts up decent stats, but is inconsistent with accuracy and destroys his teams with bad decisions and poor accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 EJ's career ended in London Cardale might have a canon arm but nothing else. Peterman intrigues me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 The clock ran out on Cardale in Buffalo. Not his fault. He still has a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 They both may become viable backup type QB's, but nothing more. If they are both in the league after 3 more years I'd be shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 ... I'll eat my hat. And I like both guys, but I can't pin their shortcomings (EJ specifically, I've seen almost nothing of Cardale) entirely on bad coaching. Probably just not NFL starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I would think a solid #2 would be the barometer. If either starts and plays over .500, I would say success. Figuring that we deemed both worse than Yates and Peterman, but time will tell. "A solid #2" is NOT success, and neither is a .500 record as a starter. Success is being a competent starter for a number of seasons, which means being at least on a par with Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Alex Smith, etc.... and no, EJ Manuel will never be that. It's unlikely that Cardale Jones will either, but stranger things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Todd Collins actually did pretty good after he left Buffalo. Wasn't too bad in Washington as I recall. RJ won a Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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