Bill from NYC Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Bridgewater is to much of risk nor think he was good enough to be a franchise QB. Smith makes sense but he old and would not have many years left and would be more of a bridge QB . We would still need to draft one but it wouldn't have to be this year, maybe better candidates can be drafted in the future like Fromm. Cousins would be good too but makes me wonder if he can be elite. I think Keenum is still in the mix. Early, yes but at some point we are going to have to include Tua in this conversation. Hey, let's not forget who beat who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Early, yes but at some point we are going to have to include Tua in this conversation. Hey, let's not forget who beat who. If you want to consider future qb prospects I would take Georgia's Jake Fromm over Tua. There is a poise and presence about him that sticks out. I'm not denigrating Tua in any way. He showed that he can be dynamic. But Fromm would be my preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Early, yes but at some point we are going to have to include Tua in this conversation. Hey, let's not forget who beat who. We shall see, need more than a half of football. He does have all the tools it's now up to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: We shall see, need more than a half of football. He does have all the tools it's now up to him. He does need more time and I'm sure he will see lots of it if he stays healthy. In fact, I suspect that Hurts will transfer. I hope not but I do expect this. 3 hours ago, JohnC said: If you want to consider future qb prospects I would take Georgia's Jake Fromm over Tua. There is a poise and presence about him that sticks out. I'm not denigrating Tua in any way. He showed that he can be dynamic. But Fromm would be my preference. I first saw Tua in a televised summer practice game. Imo the kid is a very special player. I liken him (for the sake of early conversation) to a more talented Russell Wilson, and I'm serious. He is mobile, an agile power runner, has a cannon arm, and is VERY accurate. Not enough? He is smart and a serious, deeply religious kid. Will Fromm turn out to be better? I think not but we both know that I am extremely partial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: He does need more time and I'm sure he will see lots of it if he stays healthy. In fact, I suspect that Hurts will transfer. I hope not but I do expect this. I first saw Tua in a televised summer practice game. Imo the kid is a very special player. I liken him (for the sake of early conversation) to a more talented Russell Wilson, and I'm serious. He is mobile, an agile power runner, has a cannon arm, and is VERY accurate. Not enough? He is smart and a serious, deeply religious kid. Will Fromm turn out to be better? I think not but we both know that I am extremely partial. I never noticed your impartiality until it was reported that you prayed at the altar that Saban built. It was also reported that you lit so many novena candles for the championship game that you set the church ablaze. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's 4-1 executives for Mayfield over Allen. Go Bills!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: That's 4-1 executives for Mayfield over Allen. Go Bills!!! Ive been working on a grading system the last few days to add to my reports. Scouts grade 0-100 should I add it to my reports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Ive been working on a grading system the last few days to add to my reports. Scouts grade 0-100 should I add it to my reports? Definitely , it's always nice to know what scouts think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Definitely , it's always nice to know what scouts think. I think il add it too both Allens and Bakers. I made an algorithm for QBs based on Arm Strength, short Accuracy, mid, deep, touch, play action, throw on run, upper mechanics, lower mechanics, athleticism, field vision and Ability to read defenses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I think il add it too both Allens and Bakers. I made an algorithm for QBs based on Arm Strength, short Accuracy, mid, deep, touch, play action, throw on run, upper mechanics, lower mechanics, athleticism, field vision and Ability to read defenses Cool, you should give us an explanation of it so we understand how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Cool, you should give us an explanation of it so we understand how it works. Its simple. I'm not a mathematician hahah i graded each category on a 0-100 grade. I then divided it by my total categories that gave me my grade. My scale for the grading is... 90-99- Generational talent 80-89- High end starter( Capable of being 10+ year starter) 70-79- High end prospect (Can develop into a good starter given right circumstances) 60-69- Low end prospect( decent chance at developing into a backup. Little starting chances) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Its simple. I'm not a mathematician hahah i graded each category on a 0-100 grade. I then divided it by my total categories that gave me my grade. My scale for the grading is... 90-99- Generational talent 80-89- High end starter( Capable of being 10+ year starter) 70-79- High end prospect (Can develop into a good starter given right circumstances) 60-69- Low end prospect( decent chance at developing into a backup. Little starting chances) So, what was Mayfield s grade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 20 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Of the top 6 QBs, if the Bills are going to be picking from the bottom 3 QBs I’m not sure I want them wasting a first rounder for the leftovers...Rudolph, Allen, and Jackson are big time projects with serious flaws and/or inexperience, and I might wanna go after one of Cousins, Smith, Bridgwater etc instead. ...'Crispy, I know you touted the Falk kid from WSU for awhile but he is off the world's radar including North Korea.......what the hell happened with this kid?.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...'Crispy, I know you touted the Falk kid from WSU for awhile but he is off the world's radar including North Korea.......what the hell happened with this kid?.............. Personally, I think he lacks confidence...never looks like he’s having s good time playing the game...maybe some guys are wound just a little too tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: So, what was Mayfield s grade? Baker came in with an 83.9 grade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Baker came in with an 83.9 grade Seems a little low Who has the highest grade ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Seems a little low Who has the highest grade ever? Andrew luck was my highest rated QB ever. He came in at a 91.6. For reference Josh Allen just came in at a 78.6 well below Baker and in Prospect territory. I believe Baker can run an NFL offense Day 1. He's a nuanced rythem passer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Personally, I think he lacks confidence...never looks like he’s having s good time playing the game...maybe some guys are wound just a little too tight. ...thanks as always for your insight bud.......we'll never know why or when the "sizzle turns to fizzle" as far as the game......the Love kid from Stanford is returning for his senior year and reports say his primary focus is on becoming a doctor.....certainly appreciate and respect that career dedication........but probably as a 3rd rounder, some NFL money may help with those student loans, right??........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Andrew luck was my highest rated QB ever. He came in at a 91.6. For reference Josh Allen just came in at a 78.6 well below Baker and in Prospect territory. I believe Baker can run an NFL offense Day 1. He's a nuanced rythem passer Would you trade for Luck now with our offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Would you trade for Luck now with our offense? Absolutely. Indy is a dumpster fire. I cried for Andrew on the Inside when he got drafted by Indianapolis Doomed with the crackehad owner. If I was his agent I would've never let him sign an extension there. We could protect him better...We do try to invest in the oline even if it doesn't always pan out... we could give him a run game and an emerging defense also to point out... that 78.6 for Allen is highly inflated by his huge arm(gave him 97 for arm strength) and his athleticism (gave him 90) without those he is way closer to the low 70s and a fringe high end QB prospect Edited January 18, 2018 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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26CornerBlitz Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1-18: Oklahoma's Special Assistant to the Athletic Director Merv Johnson with Howard and Jeremy on Baker Mayfield (9:40) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) Edited January 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GG Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: We can only hope he gets drafted early, and that will check off multiple boxes in Bills' draft strategy. BTW, this name hasn't been brought up a lot, but as I keep learning more about Allen, this is who he reminds me of - 'The not as famous brother" (Who was also a 1st round pick BTW) Edited January 19, 2018 by GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thenorthremembers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Thats if he weighs 212 pounds. Some sites have him listed as low as 199. Also may have something to do with his poor footwork, accuracy issues, and the fact that he is way more of a dynamic runner than he is a passer. Get the feeling Klemko is alluding to something different here considering the list he put together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Thats if he weighs 212 pounds. Some sites have him listed as low as 199. Also may have something to do with his poor footwork, accuracy issues, and the fact that he is way more of a dynamic runner than he is a passer. Get the feeling Klemko is alluding to something different here considering the list he put together. We'll find out at the Combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: DING, DING, DING!! Josh "Chosen" Rosen has similar frame!! Edited January 19, 2018 by the skycap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Scot McCloughan emphatically states the 2018 NFL Draft quarterback he would pick to lead his franchise The radio host listed off a few of the notable names (Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Luke Falk), and then asked McCloughan directly, “You gotta pick one quarterback to lead your franchise, Scott, who’s it gonna be?” Without missing a beat, McCloughan said Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield. https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/10/18/16492682/scot-mccloughan-2018-nfl-draft-quarterback-franchise-baker-mayfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 On 1/17/2018 at 7:13 PM, Buffalo716 said: Andrew luck was my highest rated QB ever. He came in at a 91.6. For reference Josh Allen just came in at a 78.6 well below Baker and in Prospect territory. I believe Baker can run an NFL offense Day 1. He's a nuanced rythem passer Who was a prospect who significantly outperformed his grade in the pro ranks? Just curious, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 18 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Thats if he weighs 212 pounds. Some sites have him listed as low as 199. Also may have something to do with his poor footwork, accuracy issues, and the fact that he is way more of a dynamic runner than he is a passer. Get the feeling Klemko is alluding to something different here considering the list he put together. Polian has had his share of whiffs like anyone who does personnel evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo716 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 4 hours ago, JohnC said: Who was a prospect who significantly outperformed his grade in the pro ranks? Just curious, Good question. It's still really early in his career but I didn't think Dak Prescott would develop into an NFL starter. I thought he could be a reliable backup. I did not expect his rookie year. He is outperforming his grade by a good amount Andy Dalton was another guy that surpassed his grade. He had some mechanical problems , played in a spread, and I didn't think he was a good enough athlete to create in the NFL. He may not be amazing but he is definitely higher than I rated him Kirk Cousins was a guy that I had a higher grade on than a lot of people and it didn't surprise me to see him break out. He is a good athlete , a fierce competitor and has a quick release with great accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Good question. It's still really early in his career but I didn't think Dak Prescott would develop into an NFL starter. I thought he could be a reliable backup. I did not expect his rookie year. He is outperforming his grade by a good amount Andy Dalton was another guy that surpassed his grade. He had some mechanical problems , played in a spread, and I didn't think he was a good enough athlete to create in the NFL. He may not be amazing but he is definitely higher than I rated him Kirk Cousins was a guy that I had a higher grade on than a lot of people and it didn't surprise me to see him break out. He is a good athlete , a fierce competitor and has a quick release with great accuracy Thanks for the insights. Mike Shanahan loved Cousins. The coach really wasn't interested in RG III and was against mortgaging the future to get the social media qb. The selection of RG was an owner driven decision. Shanahan's son who was the OC had little regard for RG iII while he couldn't hide his bias towards Cousins. One of the reasons why Griffin insisted on staying in the lineup even when he was hurt was that he was insecure over his standing and the shadow of Cousins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 17 hours ago, ALF said: Scot McCloughan emphatically states the 2018 NFL Draft quarterback he would pick to lead his franchise The radio host listed off a few of the notable names (Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Luke Falk), and then asked McCloughan directly, “You gotta pick one quarterback to lead your franchise, Scott, who’s it gonna be?” Without missing a beat, McCloughan said Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield. https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/10/18/16492682/scot-mccloughan-2018-nfl-draft-quarterback-franchise-baker-mayfield BOOM!!! 10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Good question. It's still really early in his career but I didn't think Dak Prescott would develop into an NFL starter. I thought he could be a reliable backup. I did not expect his rookie year. He is outperforming his grade by a good amount Andy Dalton was another guy that surpassed his grade. He had some mechanical problems , played in a spread, and I didn't think he was a good enough athlete to create in the NFL. He may not be amazing but he is definitely higher than I rated him Kirk Cousins was a guy that I had a higher grade on than a lot of people and it didn't surprise me to see him break out. He is a good athlete , a fierce competitor and has a quick release with great accuracy Do You Think We Will Draft Our QB Or Will We Go After A Veteran Like Cousins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: BOOM!!! Do You Think We Will Draft Our QB Or Will We Go After A Veteran Like Cousins? I definitely think the Bills will draft a QB fairly early... but It wouldn't surprise me if the Bills ask TT to restructure or if they go after a Vet like Alex Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I definitely think the Bills will draft a QB fairly early... but It wouldn't surprise me if the Bills ask TT to restructure or if they go after a Vet like Alex Smith I'm hoping for Smith, I just can't watch TT anymore even though he could be the best option we could obtain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I'm hoping for Smith, I just can't watch TT anymore even though he could be the best option we could obtain. I would love to have Alex smith... he's really underrated and has gotten better with age 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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