Chuck Wagon Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I don't disagree with any of that. My point is more along the lines of it being a poor investment in the broader scope of team-building. Vis-a-vis: if Wagner is indeed poised to blow up the RT market, then he could be looking at the kind of money that Lane Johnson got last year ($11M AAV). Given that RTs are found in the mid and late rounds on a regular basis, why pay that kind of money to a RT while letting a much more important position (Gilmore) walk out the door? It doesn't make sense to me. I'm been vocal about not being a fan of letting Gilmore walk, but it's water under the bridge at this point. I like targeting a guy like Wagner more than spending the same amount of money on 2-3 guys you are simply projecting into starting roles at other positions. The depth at DB in this draft, the lack of depth at OLine in this draft and the price difference between making Wagner the highest paid RT vs making Gilmore the highest paid Corner make up for some of the positional value swing IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I don't disagree with any of that. My point is more along the lines of it being a poor investment in the broader scope of team-building. Vis-a-vis: if Wagner is indeed poised to blow up the RT market, then he could be looking at the kind of money that Lane Johnson got last year ($11M AAV). Given that RTs are found in the mid and late rounds on a regular basis, why pay that kind of money to a RT while letting a much more important position (Gilmore) walk out the door? It doesn't make sense to me. I agree 100 percent, and you know how much I love Gilmore, can I put Bouye's name here!? This move makes sense if you have Romo in tow or ......Glennon. A high priced oline protecting a QB who can't pass from the pocket and around and around weeeeeeee go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I don't disagree with any of that. My point is more along the lines of it being a poor investment in the broader scope of team-building. Vis-a-vis: if Wagner is indeed poised to blow up the RT market, then he could be looking at the kind of money that Lane Johnson got last year ($11M AAV). Given that RTs are found in the mid and late rounds on a regular basis, why pay that kind of money to a RT while letting a much more important position (Gilmore) walk out the door? It doesn't make sense to me. Hard to say one position is more valuable than any other, but offensive tackle is an area that you can't hide a weak player. It's extremely important. I shouldn't really even have to mention that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Would make the line almost as good as the Cowboys. Great situation to bring a rookie qb into. Great running game, adequate protection. I say if you are going to sign him, cut ties with Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I agree 100 percent, and you know how much I love Gilmore, can I put Bouye's name here!? This move makes sense if you have Romo in tow or ......Glennon. A high priced oline protecting a QB who can't pass from the pocket and around and around weeeeeeee go. Wagner has ties to Dennison, Bouye has no ties to our coaching staff. This isn't Madden, considering our status in regards to contending and our inability to blow up the corner market due to cap considerations, Bouye is not a player we can realistically plan to pursue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyphe23 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 might pay big $$ for this guy due to weak OL draft this year....plus the obvious connection to Dennison Agreed, this is a deep draft for S and CB probably just spending where it will be more difficult to plug holes in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I'm been vocal about not being a fan of letting Gilmore walk, but it's water under the bridge at this point. I like targeting a guy like Wagner more than spending the same amount of money on 2-3 guys you are simply projecting into starting roles at other positions. The depth at DB in this draft, the lack of depth at OLine in this draft and the price difference between making Wagner the highest paid RT vs making Gilmore the highest paid Corner make up for some of the positional value swing IMO. Your point is not lost on me, and I don't dismiss its validity. Where I get stuck is that I can probably find a lower-cost fix at RT (be in Vollmer as a cap casualty, Glenn [if Kouandjuio kicks to LT], or even a guy like Roderick Johnson on day 2 of the draft), and I'd prefer to do that and keep Zach Brown than spend a lot of money at RT. I suppose it's wrought from the idea that having to pay big money to plug non-premium holes like RT and TE has long been an issue for this team. If I'm going to pay big FA money, I want it to be a pass rusher, CB, or elite LB. Just a different philosophy from you is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Would make the line almost as good as the Cowboys. Great situation to bring a rookie qb into. Great running game, adequate protection. I say if you are going to sign him, cut ties with Tyrod. Good thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Hard to say one position is more valuable than any other, but offensive tackle is an area that you can't hide a weak player. It's extremely important. I shouldn't really even have to mention that. And yet this team has lead the NFL in rushing 2 consecutive years, and had the #10 scoring offense despite a truly horrific RT situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) This would be a great signing if it could happen . With Kujo injured and better at LT , Henderson with a serious illness. Edited March 8, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 With this news and the news about the Pro Bowl FB, I think the Bills finally made their decision. They will keep Tyrod and focus on a strong running game again. It makes too much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 With this news and the news about the Pro Bowl FB, I think the Bills finally made their decision. They will keep Tyrod and focus on a strong running game again. It makes too much sense. and draft defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Your point is not lost on me, and I don't dismiss its validity. Where I get stuck is that I can probably find a lower-cost fix at RT (be in Vollmer as a cap casualty, Glenn [if Kouandjuio kicks to LT], or even a guy like Roderick Johnson on day 2 of the draft), and I'd prefer to do that and keep Zach Brown than spend a lot of money at RT. I suppose it's wrought from the idea that having to pay big money to plug non-premium holes like RT and TE has long been an issue for this team. If I'm going to pay big FA money, I want it to be a pass rusher, CB, or elite LB. Just a different philosophy from you is all. We've been quite poor at that position for years. The draft is strong on CB, LB, S, DL. Why would you force yourself to use a pick on a RT with only 6 picks in this admittedly deep draft. You can't run an offense with a porous Oline. How many of our runs to the right HAD to involve a pulling guard because we had to compensate for Mills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 and draft defense Corey Davis or John Ross, assuming Hooker and Adams are gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Really like the player, really like that it would point to passing more. Not sure he's worth the investment because I could easily see him getting $8-10 million a year on the open market. Only hope is that he loves Castillo and wants to keep playing for him. Might take a slight discount to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 We've been quite poor at that position for years. The draft is strong on CB, LB, S, DL. Why would you force yourself to use a pick on a RT with only 6 picks in this admittedly deep draft. You can't run an offense with a porous Oline. How many of our runs to the right HAD to involve a pulling guard because we had to compensate for Mills? Yep- OT market is very thin both in FA and draft, while CB market is very strong on both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I think Kujo stays this year as Cordy's backup. When he is a FA next year, he walks. He's a LT only imo. I can see a trade with the Chargers. Lynn knows he's a capable LT. R3 pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Gilmore was gone the minute he looked back at the safety while Chris Hogan burned past him. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 And yet this team has lead the NFL in rushing 2 consecutive years, and had the #10 scoring offense despite a truly horrific RT situation. but you want to pay a CB $12+ million who was a starter on a incredibly poor defense. We would be improving our offense, maybe not have our QB get hit so often. Maybe be able to open up the passing game by having one of the highest rated pass blocking tackles on the team. Gilmore is gone, he's too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Yep- OT market is very thin both in FA and draft, while CB market is very strong on both. Yup. We can literally revamp our entire secondary with this draft alone if we play it right. Perfect year for us in that respect as the talent supply matches our need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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