bobobonators Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 According to Yahoo's Charles Robinson, "multiple NFL sources" anticipate free agent Mike Glennon landing a deal worth $14-15 million per year. Remind me again how we're grossly overpaying for Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 i thoguht this said gilmore at first. glennon getting that makes me that much more comfortable taylor gets what taylor gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 According to Yahoo's Charles Robinson, "multiple NFL sources" anticipate free agent Mike Glennon landing a deal worth $14-15 million per year. Remind me again how we're grossly overpaying for Tyrod. We're overpaying for Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 1) he hasn't gotten paid that money yet 2) just because another team doesn't something insanely stupid doesn't mean you should 3) Brock Osweiler thinks that much money for Glennon is a terrible idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 6, 2017 Author Share Posted March 6, 2017 1) he hasn't gotten paid that money yet 2) just because another team doesn't something insanely stupid doesn't mean you should 3) Brock Osweiler thinks that much money for Glennon is a terrible idea If he gets signed to start then he'll likely be making that /yr. if you look at salaries of NFL starting QB's (excluding rookie contracts) the lowest avg/yr was $12m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 If he gets signed to start then he'll likely be making that /yr. if you look at salaries of NFL starting QB's (excluding rookie contracts) the lowest avg/yr was $12m. QB's get $$$$. Is this a surprise? Oh, and they get paid before the average-great- HOF play. The player has the leverage, as there are not enough to go around. Roll the dice if you want (and I support that), but don't ditch the one serious option you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 I rather sign Gilmore to that money then a QB like Glennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) According to Yahoo's Charles Robinson, "multiple NFL sources" anticipate free agent Mike Glennon landing a deal worth $14-15 million per year. Remind me again how we're grossly overpaying for Tyrod. We ... are ... grossly ... overpaying ... for ... Tyrod. Someone gave Osweiler $18 mill a year. Did that mean that we should give Tyrod $20.5 mill? Or did they wildly overpay Osweiler? Clearly the latter. And if Glennon gets a deal for $14 - $15 mill a year, first it's a ton less than Tyrod would make if they picked up his option and second, the fact that somebody might overpay for one guy doesn't make overpaying for another OK. Tyrod is a bridge QB. He shouldn't be paid like a franchise guy, and yes, $40.5 million guaranteed for two years on the roster - his most likely term - is franchise QB money. Glennon is also a bridge QB, though not as good a bridge guy as Tyrod. $14 - $15 mill would make him the most expensive bridge QB in history. And will almost certainly look like a terrible deal in a year or two. Also worth remembering that some teams have an awful lot of money available under the cap to throw around if they want while we have very little and still can't even come close to fielding a roster of 51 NFL-ready players. Edited March 6, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Pick up Taylor's option and sign a 1st round Rookie QB. Best case scenario is we have a Brees/Rivers controversy. Worst is we continue to miss the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 QB's get $$$$. Is this a surprise? Oh, and they get paid before the average-great- HOF play. The player has the leverage, as there are not enough to go around. Roll the dice if you want (and I support that), but don't ditch the one serious option you have. This still amazes me. I've seem all of these reports of all these "QB gurus" that are former NFL and college QBs holding these camps and the NFL is always struggling to have enough solid starting QBs. Todd Marijuanavich's dad started coaching him as a toddler and he turned into a good college QB who was drafted by the NFL but didn't pan out, mainly because he got into drugs after dealing with his dad but the really good QBs are few and far between. I'd have to say, as compared to tough positions in other sports (pitcher and catcher in baseball, goalie in hockey, point guard in basketball) having 300# guys trying to kill you has a big impact (David Carr, Jim Everett, etc.). Reading defenses, making the right and accurate throw while thinking about the defense coming after you seems to be a difficult task indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) Pick up Taylor's option and sign a 1st round Rookie QB. Best case scenario is we have a Brees/Rivers controversy. Worst is we continue to miss the playoffs. Worst is that while we're staying a bad to mediocre team, we're in salary cap jail for years, limiting our potential on into the future. That wouldn't come about based only on the Tyrod contract, but it would be a major contributor, and if we do keep him, we would have a hard time fielding a roster this year without starting the typical process of re-negotiating to push the salary cap burden back and putting us in trouble next year and the year after and down the line. Edited March 6, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 So were trying to water down the fact that Tyrod Taylor who has yet to get us a post season playoff game is a bargain at 27M but Glennon is a terrible idea at 14-15M? If he's a starter that is not terrible as a back up not a chance a team pays that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Tyrod's cap hit is 15.9 which is reasonable for someone in the top 10 in QBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Franchise QBs are extremely rare - maybe 8 or 10 in the entire world. They command top money. Average NFL QBs are almost as rare - maybe an additional dozen. They command big paychecks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Tyrod's cap hit is 15.9 which is reasonable for someone in the top 10 in QBR QBR is nonsense. How do they make it? We have no real idea. It's opaque and gives more weird results than other stats and we don't know why.. At this point, the only people who use QBR are ESPN, because it's their stat, and people who find that other stats don't back them up in whatever argument but QBR does. Tyrod isn't a top ten guy. He simply ... is not. And yeah, the cap hit in 2017 is OK. But looking only at the cap hit for 2017 is like putting something on your credit card and saying, "See, it's a good deal, because the December payment is very reasonable." When looking at a contract's impact, you don't look at one year. You look at all the money that will have to be paid on the salary cap for every year money will have to be paid. If Tyrod stays one year, that will be $30.75 million. For one year of Tyrod. Which pretty much means we'd keep him for two years. So if he stays for two years - the likeliest amount for a bridge QB in this situation - the Bills will pay him $40.5 mill, total, for two years on the roster. That's franchise QB money. Franchise QBs are extremely rare - maybe 8 or 10 in the entire world. They command top money. Average NFL QBs are almost as rare - maybe an additional dozen. They command big paychecks too. Bridge QBs are rare too. But that doesn't mean you pay them like you pay the ten or twelve franchise QBs. And with Tyrod's contract, that's what would happen. We'd be paying a bridge QB franchise QB money, $20.25 mill a year. I hate to say this again and again but people just don't seem to hear it, so ... here are the only QBs who receive more than $20.25 mill per year average salary, in order: Andrew Luck Carson Palmer Drew Brees Kirk Cousins Joe Flacco Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson Ben Roethlisberger Eli Manning Philip Rivers Cam Newton Matt Ryan, and Tom Brady. There are no Tyrods in that group, and yet, that's the group we'd be putting Tyrod in. If he stayed for two years, he'd receive $20.25 million per year, and only five QBs would be with a million per year of that figure: Brady, Ryan, Newton, Rivers, and Eli Manning. Tyrod simply doesn't belong there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 QBR is nonsense. How do they make it? We have no real idea. It's opaque and gives more weird results than other stats and we don't know why.. At this point, the only people who use QBR are ESPN, because it's their stat, and people who find that other stats don't back them up in whatever argument but QBR does. Tyrod isn't a top ten guy. He simply ... is not. And yeah, the cap hit in 2017 is OK. But looking only at the cap hit for 2017 is like putting something on your credit card and saying, "See, it's a good deal, because the December payment is very reasonable." When looking at a contract's impact, you don't look at one year. You look at all the money that will have to be paid on the salary cap for every year money will have to be paid. If Tyrod stays one year, that will be $30.75 million. For one year of Tyrod. Which pretty much means we'd keep him for two years. So if he stays for two years - the likeliest amount for a bridge QB in this situation - the Bills will pay him $40.5 mill, total, for two years on the roster. That's franchise QB money. Bridge QBs are rare too. But that doesn't mean you pay them like you pay the ten or twelve franchise QBs. And with Tyrod's contract, that's what would happen. We'd be paying a bridge QB franchise QB money, $20.25 mill a year. I hate to say this again and again but people just don't seem to hear it, so ... here are the only QBs who receive more than $20.25 mill per year average salary, in order: Andrew Luck Carson Palmer Drew Brees Kirk Cousins Joe Flacco Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson Ben Roethlisberger Eli Manning Philip Rivers Cam Newton Matt Ryan, and Tom Brady. There are no Tyrods in that group, and yet, that's the group we'd be putting Tyrod in. If he stayed for two years, he'd receive $20.25 million per year, and only five QBs would be with a million per year of that figure: Brady, Ryan, Newton, Rivers, and Eli Manning. Tyrod simply doesn't belong there. Another way to look at that list is which QB would you rather NOT have than TT?? And if you add guys like: Andy Dalton Derek Carr Dak Prescott Carson Wentz Matthew Stafford Jameis Winston Sam Bradford Which one of those do you NOT choose over TT?? IF you decide that TT is not and likely never will become a Franchise QB than it is a sin to waste $15 million per year on him... That is money that could be spent much more wisely to help the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 According to Yahoo's Charles Robinson, "multiple NFL sources" anticipate free agent Mike Glennon landing a deal worth $14-15 million per year. Remind me again how we're grossly overpaying for Tyrod. so just because one jumps off the bridge means it's okay? there must be a feakin' line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 So were trying to water down the fact that Tyrod Taylor who has yet to get us a post season playoff game is a bargain at 27M but Glennon is a terrible idea at 14-15M? If he's a starter that is not terrible as a back up not a chance a team pays that. He's been a starter for only 2 seasons.........and if we had just an average defense last year we would have mage the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ TT contract averages 18.0 million per over the 5 year length. He is guaranteed roughly 27.5 million in 2017 and another 3. million in 2018. His total cap hit for this season would be 15.9m. Now, If the Bills cut TT, whose the QB? A rookie or Cardale? Otherwise you'll be paying some scrub backup 12 to 15 million to play, like a guy named Mike Gleenon. It's a big money move any way you slice it with few good options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsman623 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 That doesn't make either one right. Both aren't very good and you're better off drafting a guy and swinging for the fences with him at a significant cheaper price than overpaying for any of them, Tyrod included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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