IDBillzFan Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 First, I would like this thread to stay here for as long as possible because PPP does not reach to the broader Bills football fan, and pretty much all BIlls fans come here to weigh in on "Hot for Teacher" threads. Let's avoid the typical PPP arguing and discuss this like football fans. The NFL has decided it does not like a proposal by Texas to ban transgenders/transexuals from using whatever bathroom they damn well please. Story here. We saw this unfold in NC, but now the league itself has jumped in, stating that the NFL is all inclusive, and such a ban would be considered a reason to take future events away from the state. Look. I watch the NFL because it allows me to escape the stupidity of politics. Kaepernick was messy enough, until everyone was reminded that he is a crappy quarterback, but this move by the the league itself is disheartening to me because now it means the topic will make it into the broadcasts, and everyone will be picketing at games and calling each other names and, well, I'm not up for that again. I'd rather watch something with less drama...like WWE. How about you? Do you care? Yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I have zero issues with the NFL taking a stand on something that impacts their customer experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I used to consume a ton of their product. As they've become more political, I've consumed far less. I only watch Bills games now. I find it very patronizing, and repellent. It's the same thing that drove me away from ESPN. "Shut up and sing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 First, I would like this thread to stay here for as long as possible because PPP does not reach to the broader Bills football fan, and pretty much all BIlls fans come here to weigh in on "Hot for Teacher" threads. Let's avoid the typical PPP arguing and discuss this like football fans. The NFL has decided it does not like a proposal by Texas to ban transgenders/transexuals from using whatever bathroom they damn well please. Story here. We saw this unfold in NC, but now the league itself has jumped in, stating that the NFL is all inclusive, and such a ban would be considered a reason to take future events away from the state. Look. I watch the NFL because it allows me to escape the stupidity of politics. Kaepernick was messy enough, until everyone was reminded that he is a crappy quarterback, but this move by the the league itself is disheartening to me because now it means the topic will make it into the broadcasts, and everyone will be picketing at games and calling each other names and, well, I'm not up for that again. I'd rather watch something with less drama...like WWE. How about you? Do you care? Yes or no? The NFL's history of bungling controversy makes me cringe for how this will play out. How about a statement, "The NFL respects the laws of the federal and the state governments as the extensions of the will of the people. We do not condone any specific policy by hosting events in certain states." Boom. Story over. But of course, they'll screw up trying to please 100% of the people instead of settling for 99% and knowing that the 1% of lunatics will find something else to scream about in 2 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I am the opposite. I think people should be exposed. No retreating to an echo chamber. No withdrawing. I know our founders would want us engaged. Especially, funky Ben Franklin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 or even possibly their own employee experience I have zero issues with the NFL taking a stand on something that impacts their customer experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) You can be assured that any stand the NFL takes is connected to their bottom line. Edited February 13, 2017 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 You can be assured that any stand the NFL takes is connected to their bottom line.Yes, I agree but any person or entity is capable of making a mistake. The people who decide this are more educated than me but I think they are making a mistake. And to the OP, yes, I do care but not to a very large extent. I am hoping/planning on moving to NC. Gov. Cuomo wants to or did cut off business from NYS to NC. He is, imo of course, a complete a-hole. He is taking a stand for and against who? For men who want to wear a dress and go in a women's bathroom, and against mothers and fathers who could do without their daughters exposed to pervs and psychotics? PS: I have nothing whatsoever against trannies. In my career I have dealt with hundreds of them. If anything, I have compassion for them. That said, I don't really think that the world owes it to them to cater to their whims/cravings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I think its hilarious. Who here would really not mind me in the bathroom with their daughtee/mother? This gives me the right and the other guy a right. And the guy who decided today he wanted to watch someone else who identifies as a poly ambiguous nectarine tree to be there too. There are enough issues with mental health in this country and this is something we need to take more seriously. No one wins when gender politics are played. The NFL needs to stay out of it. Hint; I'm not a nice guy You can be assured that any stand the NFL takes is connected to their bottom line. the NFL need nothing more than say "we follow the rules of our host teams" because, ya know. Let this fly in mexico,for example. Not only that, I doubt that many trannies care about football. I love my state so much sans Roy Cooper for the stand we are taking on state rights even while the hypocritical NCA, NBA and others weigh in. Our state continues to surge in business and our filming of major films continues as usual. Yes, I agree but any person or entity is capable of making a mistake. The people who decide this are more educated than me but I think they are making a mistake. And to the OP, yes, I do care but not to a very large extent. I am hoping/planning on moving to NC. Gov. Cuomo wants to or did cut off business from NYS to NC. He is, imo of course, a complete a-hole. He is taking a stand for and against who? For men who want to wear a dress and go in a women's bathroom, and against mothers and fathers who could do without their daughters exposed to pervs and psychotics? PS: I have nothing whatsoever against trannies. In my career I have dealt with hundreds of them. If anything, I have compassion for them. That said, I don't really think that the world owes it to them to cater to their whims/cravings. he has. Oddly, Syracuse is still playing here. And, no one here cares anymore about others. We moved on. And spending our money to those who want it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 I have zero issues with the NFL taking a stand on something that impacts their customer experience. So, alternately, if a majority of the NFL's customers don't want transgenders/transexuals in the stadium bathrooms with their sons and daughters, the NFL is okay to ban the practice? I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just trying to better understand. You can be assured that any stand the NFL takes is connected to their bottom line. Generally speaking, I agree with this. But I don't see where there is money in this particular topic, quite honestly. According to a an Adweek/Harris poll, approximately 6% of the population goes to stadiums to watch football games. Transgender accounts for less than .5% of the entire US population. Over 2 million attend stadiums. Meaning, statistically, about 100,000 are transgender. Where could the money possibly come from with those kinds of numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Generally speaking, I agree with this. But I don't see where there is money in this particular topic, quite honestly. According to a an Adweek/Harris poll, approximately 6% of the population goes to stadiums to watch football games. Transgender accounts for less than .5% of the entire US population. Over 2 million attend stadiums. Meaning, statistically, about 100,000 are transgender. Where could the money possibly come from with those kinds of numbers? I think the "money" here is in the avoidance of bad press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 NFL should just pony up money for all stadium then to give hers, hims, hits, shers and its separate bathrooms if they want to stick noses in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 At this point I could care less I won't take my kid to a game anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Goodell Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 The fans experience is of paramount importance to the NFL and as such we must establish policies that ensure all fans feel welcome and included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 The fans experience is of paramount importance to the NFL and as such we must establish policies that ensure all fans feel welcome and included. The fans experience on boards should count and the fans want to kick the ass of silly copycat aliases - when are you allowing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Start with playing games out of the USA. Please stop. I don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 So, alternately, if a majority of the NFL's customers don't want transgenders/transexuals in the stadium bathrooms with their sons and daughters, the NFL is okay to ban the practice? I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just trying to better understand. Generally speaking, I agree with this. But I don't see where there is money in this particular topic, quite honestly. According to a an Adweek/Harris poll, approximately 6% of the population goes to stadiums to watch football games. Transgender accounts for less than .5% of the entire US population. Over 2 million attend stadiums. Meaning, statistically, about 100,000 are transgender. Where could the money possibly come from with those kinds of numbers? do you think the nfl has any reason to decipher which laws are applicable to their practice vs. which laws are not? At this point I could care less I won't take my kid to a game anyway. how much less could you care? So, alternately, if a majority of the NFL's customers don't want transgenders/transexuals in the stadium bathrooms with their sons and daughters, the NFL is okay to ban the practice? I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just trying to better understand. Generally speaking, I agree with this. But I don't see where there is money in this particular topic, quite honestly. According to a an Adweek/Harris poll, approximately 6% of the population goes to stadiums to watch football games. Transgender accounts for less than .5% of the entire US population. Over 2 million attend stadiums. Meaning, statistically, about 100,000 are transgender. Where could the money possibly come from with those kinds of numbers? i watched an amazing documentary on transgenderdness. even if reports are .5% as they said on the show it is likely that less than half of that % does not openly desire nor truly feel as if a lifestyle change to their life is worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 At this point I could care less I won't take my kid to a game anyway. Well the NFL is doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Goodell Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 The fans experience on boards should count and the fans want to kick the ass of silly copycat aliases - when are you allowing that? The NFL does not moderate or set policy for independent fan boards. League officials participate in such forums as part of our fan outreach program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 I think the "money" here is in the avoidance of bad press Also known as fear of a shakedown. The problem with taking a political stance on any issue is that sooner or later, it can be used to coerce a stance on every issue. They won't even be able to keep up with their "beliefs". The only core at the center of the NFL is putting football on the field to make money. If that stops, so does everything else. There are 32 owners and getting them all to agree on football issues is tough enough. Pretending that they speak with one voice on all political topics is just plain silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 NFL should just pony up money for all stadium then to give hers, hims, hits, shers and its separate bathrooms if they want to stick noses in. They'll probably make the local taxpayers pay for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Every time someone brings up the "our wives and daughters will be exposed to creeps masquerading as women" argument as justification for supporting these discriminatory laws I shake my head, because the statistics simply don't support that this is a significant issue whatsoever. Bad people will be bad people, regardless of any law that tells them what bathroom they're allowed to use. I have no problem with the NFL or any organization taking a stand against discrimination. You think citizens of NC didn't have a problem with HB2? This state's electorate voted for Trump and STILL ousted the republican governor who pushed the law through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 NFL should just pony up money for all stadium then to give hers, hims, hits, shers and its separate bathrooms if they want to stick noses in. How does this translate to TAILGATING? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Every time someone brings up the "our wives and daughters will be exposed to creeps masquerading as women" argument as justification for supporting these discriminatory laws I shake my head, because the statistics simply don't support that this is a significant issue whatsoever. Bad people will be bad people, regardless of any law that tells them what bathroom they're allowed to use. I have no problem with the NFL or any organization taking a stand against discrimination. You think citizens of NC didn't have a problem with HB2? This state's electorate voted for Trump and STILL ousted the republican governor who pushed the law through. Yep, it's a really weak argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 How does this translate to TAILGATING? You can piss in a Porta Potty next to your friends. You can't piss outside, infront of your friends. You can go inside the stadium and piss infront of your friends mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 How does this translate to TAILGATING? I really want to know what Hammer is doing to address this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 that's where i felt this 'discussion' went off track completely Every time someone brings up the "our wives and daughters will be exposed to creeps masquerading as women" argument as justification for supporting these discriminatory laws I shake my head, because the statistics simply don't support that this is a significant issue whatsoever. Bad people will be bad people, regardless of any law that tells them what bathroom they're allowed to use. I have no problem with the NFL or any organization taking a stand against discrimination. You think citizens of NC didn't have a problem with HB2? This state's electorate voted for Trump and STILL ousted the republican governor who pushed the law through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 You can piss in a Porta Potty next to your friends. You can't piss outside, infront of your friends. You can go inside the stadium and piss infront of your friends mom. Sure you can! Somebody doesn't know the difference between can and may. ;-) :-P And what's the big deal, female washrooms are all divided up into private stalls, what is the difference if one is there or 12" away in a porta-potty. It isn't like they have open urinals as in a Men's room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 Every time someone brings up the "our wives and daughters will be exposed to creeps masquerading as women" argument as justification for supporting these discriminatory laws I shake my head, because the statistics simply don't support that this is a significant issue whatsoever. It happens about as often as we have people with penises complaining they identify as a woman and are upset they have to use the men's room. BOTH are ridiculously stupid things that not only do not happen that often, they don't demand legislation one way or another any more than they demand a professional sport to stand in judgement of it. And the latter is where I am trying to draw the line. In other words, why is the only argument on this subject from the NFL that transgenders should do what they want, and if you don't like, you (state of Texas) will pay the consequences? Why not just make a third bathroom stall? Why is THAT not an option? Why is the NFL NOT insisting that every stadium designate bathrooms that are transgender specific? Wouldn't that be the most logical way to address the issue for everyone instead of only taking a position that requires you to do nothing but take a position? But no. That would be too difficult. A simple threat from the NFL will suffice, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 @LABillz -- the only laws being passed are the discriminatory ones...it's not a bad thing to protest those laws. And I'm pretty sure the whole point to the transgendered population is that they should not be considered a "third" type of person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 @LABillz -- the only laws being passed are the discriminatory ones...it's not a bad thing to protest those laws. And I'm pretty sure the whole point to the transgendered population is that they should not be considered a "third" type of person. Actually, the whole point of the transgender discussion is to create division to create agitation to create distractions. There is no problem with protesting laws. Goodell is welcome to stand in the streets and block traffic so transgenders can use whatever bathroom they choose. That he finds it necessary to bring it to the forefront of the place I go to avoid these stupid distractions is where I, personally, have a problem. The Kaepernick nonsense really made me realize that when that wall of entertainment is broken down by the people who live to agitate and distract, I have to find a new place of entertainment and hope the distractor/agitators don't find their way there, too.. Goodell pretty much just opened the door to them, and if they make a bunch of noise again, I could genuinely walk away from a sport and team I've followed for over 45 years. And that's really too bad. Anyone know a good curling team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 It happens about as often as we have people with penises complaining they identify as a woman and are upset they have to use the men's room. BOTH are ridiculously stupid things that not only do not happen that often, they don't demand legislation one way or another any more than they demand a professional sport to stand in judgement of it. And the latter is where I am trying to draw the line. In other words, why is the only argument on this subject from the NFL that transgenders should do what they want, and if you don't like, you (state of Texas) will pay the consequences? Why not just make a third bathroom stall? Why is THAT not an option? Why is the NFL NOT insisting that every stadium designate bathrooms that are transgender specific? Wouldn't that be the most logical way to address the issue for everyone instead of only taking a position that requires you to do nothing but take a position? But no. That would be too difficult. A simple threat from the NFL will suffice, thank you. The individual political argument doesn't matter to me. The NFL is a business and like any business should be free to define itself. IMO it is a massively stupid decision on their part to pick fights in political arguments. It doesn't really matter if transgender restrooms are the "political football" or if it is something else. I think they are stupid to do it, because they are going to alienate some small percentage of their customer base regardless of the stance they take. Then....there will be some new political football and they will have to take a position, because if they don't some group will say "why the transgenders but not us NFL?". Whatever position they take on that topic will annoy a different small percentage of their base. Then another and another and another. They're being stupid. Does the NFL have ANYTHING to do with transgender bathrooms? Gun Control? Abortion? Assisted Suicide? Global climate whatever they call it now? They either need to take a stance on all of that stuff or none of it. To me, it is their prerogative but it seems obvious that none of it is the better option. And this doesn't mean they can't be community oriented. There is a big difference in being community oriented and politically oriented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Does the NFL have ANYTHING to do with transgender bathrooms? Gun Control? Abortion? Assisted Suicide? Global climate whatever they call it now? They either need to take a stance on all of that stuff or none of it. To me, it is their prerogative but it seems obvious that none of it is the better option. And this doesn't mean they can't be community oriented. There is a big difference in being community oriented and politically oriented. No they don't. Bathrooms are relevant to the game day experience. The other stuff, outside of maybe Buffalo, not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 No they don't. Bathrooms are relevant to the game day experience. The other stuff, outside of maybe Buffalo, not so much You must not have read the link in the OP. The proposed law has no impact on game day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 You must not have read the link in the OP. The proposed law has no impact on game day. ? “The NFL embraces inclusiveness. We want all fans to feel welcomed at our events and NFL policies prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other improper standard,” league spokesman Brian McCarthy said in a statement. “If a proposal that is discriminatory or inconsistent with our values were to become law [in Texas], that would certainly be a factor considered when thinking about awarding future events.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) ? “The NFL embraces inclusiveness. We want all fans to feel welcomed at our events and NFL policies prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other improper standard,” league spokesman Brian McCarthy said in a statement. “If a proposal that is discriminatory or inconsistent with our values were to become law [in Texas], that would certainly be a factor considered when thinking about awarding future events.” Dude. That quote has zero to do with a game day experience. At least not correctly. And is the NFL prepared to move the Cowboys and Texans? Because inclusiveness is not only for Super Bowl Sunday. Supporters of the measure, including Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick ® and its chief sponsor, state Sen. Lois Kolkhorst ®, said their bill has carve-outs that address concerns raised by the NCAA and the NFL. Edited February 14, 2017 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 No they don't. Bathrooms are relevant to the game day experience. So then why simply threaten? Why not tell they owners they need to designate LGBTLMNOP bathrooms at their stadiums specifically for the LGBTLMNOP community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 And is the NFL prepared to move the Cowboys and Texans? Because inclusiveness is not only for Super Bowl Sunday. So then why simply threaten? The NFL has the right to run its business as they see fit and you have the right to disapprove and spend your dollars elsewhere. Welcome to America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 The NFL has the right to run its business as they see fit and you have the right to disapprove and spend your dollars elsewhere. Welcome to America. Which is, y'know, sort of the point of me creating this thread. I'm curious if the NFL spending its time directly involved in voicing political preferences is something that would drive fans away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 The NFL has the right to run its business as they see fit and you have the right to disapprove and spend your dollars elsewhere. Welcome to America. Nobody in this thread has objected to what you said above, nor have they even implied a problem with it. I have said I think they are stupid for taking a political stance. That is very different from saying they don't have the right. The notation I made about the Cowboys and Texans merely points out an inconsistency, however exaggerated. You seem a bit fixated on the transgender bathroom. My opinion is about political stances in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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