26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 @ChrisWesseling #SB51 subplot: Dimitroff opened 2 Super Bowl windows by forsaking Belichick's advice, pulling the trigger on 2011 Julio Jones blockbuster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Bill just wanted to trade up and get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Chris Wesseling had better hurry and return that book to the library. LOL Jonathan Baldwin. BB has never been great at evaluating college WRs. That said, I didn't think Julio would be this good - he struck me as more of an athlete than a player in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef4131 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 It certainly helps that I have a top flight QB throwing mw the ball Sincerely, Julio Jones/Chris Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Hopefully Julio shows him what a talented WR can do. Anyone have time on their hands? Find us the last game a high profile WR torched the Patriots. Steve Smith and Jake Delhomme comes to mind in that Super Bowl game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Interesting that they were seemingly talking about this big trade before the draft! so much for the "no one knows anything anyone is doing!" line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Belichick Advised Dimitroff to Not Trade Up for Julio Jones I read this a few days ago and I think if you asked BB today, he still would say the same thing. BB values draft picks and Atlanta gave up a lot for Jones. But if they win a SB with him, it should justify the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 "simply get open and catch the ball" BB has been killing it for years with guys like Welker and Edelman who do exactly that. Welker had the most receptions in the NFL for 3 straight years, top 10 for 6 years, 5 Pro Bowls, 2 time All Pro. Edelman has had 3 seasons in the top 10 for receptions. His value argument is correct: the pats have gotten far more value from guys like that than the Falcons have gotten from JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I read this a few days ago and I think if you asked BB today, he still would say the same thing. BB values draft picks and Atlanta gave up a lot for Jones. But if they win a SB with him, it should justify the trade. Dimitroff will be giving the advice going forward. He has done very well managing that personnel. He seems like a cool cat too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 All in all, the Falcons sent the Browns a first-round pick (No. 27), a second-round pick (No. 59) and a fourth-round pick (No. 124) in 2011, and also chipped in the No. 1 pick in 2012 (No. 22) and their No. 4 pick in 2012 (No. 118). Two firsts 2011, 2012 A second in 2011 Two fourths All for the #6 pick in the 2011 NFL draft. The very next season the Falcons went 13-3 losing to the 49ers in the NFC Championship game 24-28 Then, possibly because of all those picks the team gave up they went into a funk in 2013 going 4-12 and Julio only played in 5 games that year. The defense was the real culprit being 27th overall. They went 6-10 in 2014 with Julio back and a worse defense. This period in time got HC Mike Smith fired and almost got GM Thomas Dimitroff fired as well. One could argue that giving up all those picks could have hurt the team's ability to bolster the team/defense through the draft., There is no question that Julio Jones is a game changer and one of the very best WR's in the league. Still, TY Hilton led the league in yards in 2016 and was a 3rd round pick Julio Jones led the league in yards in 2015 Antonio Brown led the league in yards in 2014 and was a 6th round pick Josh Gordon led the league in yards in 2013 and was a 2nd round pick Calvin Johnson led the league in yards in 2012 and was a 1st round pick Calvin Johnson led the league in 2011. I still think it was a mistake to give up so much for Sammy Watkins with the team not already having that franchise QB to throw to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) All in all, the Falcons sent the Browns a first-round pick (No. 27), a second-round pick (No. 59) and a fourth-round pick (No. 124) in 2011, and also chipped in the No. 1 pick in 2012 (No. 22) and their No. 4 pick in 2012 (No. 118). Two firsts 2011, 2012 A second in 2011 Two fourths All for the #6 pick in the 2011 NFL draft. The very next season the Falcons went 13-3 losing to the 49ers in the NFC Championship game 24-28 Then, possibly because of all those picks the team gave up they went into a funk in 2013 going 4-12 and Julio only played in 5 games that year. The defense was the real culprit being 27th overall. They went 6-10 in 2014 with Julio back and a worse defense. This period in time got HC Mike Smith fired and almost got GM Thomas Dimitroff fired as well. One could argue that giving up all those picks could have hurt the team's ability to bolster the team/defense through the draft., There is no question that Julio Jones is a game changer and one of the very best WR's in the league. Still, TY Hilton led the league in yards in 2016 and was a 3rd round pick Julio Jones led the league in yards in 2015 Antonio Brown led the league in yards in 2014 and was a 6th round pick Josh Gordon led the league in yards in 2013 and was a 2nd round pick Calvin Johnson led the league in yards in 2012 and was a 1st round pick Calvin Johnson led the league in 2011. I still think it was a mistake to give up so much for Sammy Watkins with the team not already having that franchise QB to throw to him. Well Dimitroff has shown and executed a plan on building an actual football team and not just assembling talent. That's the big difference between the Watkins and Julio trades, he had the QB in place and was able to bolster the defense with future picks and his work with pro personnel has been nothing less than spectacular. Gabriel was a Browns reject, Sanu, Levitre, Mack etc. Edited January 25, 2017 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 "simply get open and catch the ball" BB has been killing it for years with guys like Welker and Edelman who do exactly that. Welker had the most receptions in the NFL for 3 straight years, top 10 for 6 years, 5 Pro Bowls, 2 time All Pro. Edelman has had 3 seasons in the top 10 for receptions. His value argument is correct: the pats have gotten far more value from guys like that than the Falcons have gotten from JJ. A very valid point as all Belichick seems to want to do on offense is to keep moving the chains again, and again until they get to the end zone. His eye for TE's and slot receivers is unequaled IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Regarding this trade: consider the player first and foremost. Julio Jones is THAT good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Well Dimitroff has shown and executed a plan on building an actual football team and not just assembling talent. That's the big difference between the Watkins and Julio trades, he had the QB in place and was able to bolster the defense with future picks and his work with pro personnel has been nothing less than spectacular. Gabriel was a Browns reject, Sanu, Levitre, Mack etc. and it still almost got him fired along with HC Mike Smith! The team then brought in ex-Patriot GM, ex-KC GM Scott Pioli as assistant GM who has been working with Dimitroff. If you look at that Atlanta Falcons front office they have arguably three brilliant football men at the top of the football operations chart in Team president Rich McKay who was a GM. Thomas Dimitroff who is the Falcons current GM and Pioli as his assistant. On another note, the Bills have Russ Brandon marketing/finance/ex-baseball guy as team president. Doug Whaley as GM the last four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Bill was looking for something a little more white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 if you're questioning whether belichick is the greatest football mind of all time, you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) Chris Wesseling had better hurry and return that book to the library. LOL Jonathan Baldwin. BB has never been great at evaluating college WRs. That said, I didn't think Julio would be this good - he struck me as more of an athlete than a player in college. WR is an area of weakness for BB in the draft. Whether they have been high or low picks they are almost always misses.A very valid point as all Belichick seems to want to do on offense is to keep moving the chains again, and again until they get to the end zone. His eye for TE's and slot receivers is unequaled IMO. Agreed. But, BB's eye for WR talent is poor in the draft. And, you can't argue BB doesn't value WRs in the draft because he fills those spots with FAs. The reason you can't argue that is because BB has swung and missed on WRs in rounds one, two and three and he wouldn't have picked WRs there if he didn't value the position there. Anywho, BB is great and you can't be great at everything. Not bashing him, just saying it's not a strength of his. Edited January 25, 2017 by Manther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Whaley's copying of the Julio trade up did not make any sense. Not because Watkins is not a great player when healthy. Watkins is great but does not have the size to ascend to the game changing physical force level of a Julio or Calvin Johnson. Only a great receiver who can also be a physically dominant force is worth that kind of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Whaley's copying of the Julio trade up did not make any sense. Not because Watkins is not a great player when healthy. Watkins is great but does not have the size to ascend to the game changing physical force level of a Julio or Calvin Johnson. Only a great receiver who can also be a physically dominant force is worth that kind of value. Mike Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Whaley's copying of the Julio trade up did not make any sense. Not because Watkins is not a great player when healthy. Watkins is great but does not have the size to ascend to the game changing physical force level of a Julio or Calvin Johnson. Only a great receiver who can also be a physically dominant force is worth that kind of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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