Augie Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 It's the Bill and Ernie show! Wonder how else they have skirted the rules that we know nothing about? I'd put nothing past them, but Brady is Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I'd say part of what makes Brady great is that he recognizes he should stay put. An interesting question is if Brady could do it without Ernie Adams. I don't think he has anywhere near the career he has without him. It's the Bill and Ernie show! Wonder how else they have skirted the rules that we know nothing about? I'd put nothing past them, but Brady is Brady. What do you estimate was Ernie Adams's greatest contribution to the humiliation of Tomlin and the Steelers yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 What do you estimate was Ernie Adams's greatest contribution to the humiliation of Tomlin and the Steelers yesterday? The power of Ernie - we will never know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The power of Ernie - we will never know! It's whatever you need it to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 John Elway. Some think he's the greatest. I don't, but some do. 2-3 in the big game. Brady is considered the greatest of all time now, and I'd be shocked if his legacy takes a hit with a loss. He's going to put up numbers in this game. Just ask Vegas. In my opinion the greatest of all-time is Montana, but his memory is fading. I like 4-0 over 4-2 also, along with zero interceptions in SBs. I always go back to the Jack Morris argument: Who would you trust with your life on the line? I'd pick the guy who threw a 10 inning shutout in the 7th game of the World Series. I'd take Montana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleChewy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Brady is consistently great, but all of his SB games were down to the wire. Montana was a master when the competition was the toughest. He was at his best in all the SB games. His QB rating supports this. Brady's average SB rating is 95 and Montana is 127. To be the best you have to dominate the best and that's exactly what Montana did. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, but this is the way I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 https://youtu.be/dgi2lY62Hto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 He's just one player for a team that preaches doing your job. Once he can no longer stay healthy, or consistently hit open receivers in an offense that throws more balls in under 2 seconds he will be discarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Dude I was joking. Ha well u got me then...touche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 IMO I hate comparing different eras against eachother as rules, and leagues change. Brady IMO (biased as it is) is the greatest QB in the modern era followed by P. Manning. I think P Manning is LIGHTYEARS Better than his little Bro even though he is 2-1 and Eli is 2-0. Just a correction on Peyton... he is 2-2. Losses to the Saints with Indy and Seahawks with Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just a correction on Peyton... he is 2-2. Losses to the Saints with Indy and Seahawks with Denver. I had forgotten that Seahawks SB.. god that was a stinker of stinkers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJ's Glove Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Brady is consistently great, but all of his SB games were down to the wire. Montana was a master when the competition was the toughest. He was at his best in all the SB games. His QB rating supports this. Brady's average SB rating is 95 and Montana is 127. To be the best you have to dominate the best and that's exactly what Montana did. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, but this is the way I see it. This is a little deceiving for a couple of reasons. First, two of Montana's four wins were "down to the wire" close games against Cincinnati. Two were blowouts, but Montana's excellence also happened in the middle of a 13-in-a-row NFC dominance of the Super Bowl. During that time, there were people arguing that the NFC Championship game was the "real Super Bowl", because that's where the two best teams in the League played each other. There were just too many times where the AFC puked on themselves in the big game. So I take the actual Super Bowl game stats from that period (like never throwing an interception) with a grain of salt. There's much better balance between the conferences in this period. And 4-2 is better than 4-0. Bills fans - of all people - should remember that a conference title is an accomplishment. They give you a trophy for it and everything. Anyone who argues this is basically penalizing Brady for taking his team further into the playoffs before losing than Montana did, and giving Montana extra credit for getting bounced in the NFC playoffs every year the 49ers didn't win it all. I'm sorry, but this makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) John Elway. Some think he's the greatest. I don't, but some do. 2-3 in the big game. Brady is considered the greatest of all time now, and I'd be shocked if his legacy takes a hit with a loss. He's going to put up numbers in this game. Just ask Vegas. In my opinion the greatest of all-time is Montana, but his memory is fading. I like 4-0 over 4-2 also, along with zero interceptions in SBs. I always go back to the Jack Morris argument: Who would you trust with your life on the line? I'd pick the guy who threw a 10 inning shutout in the 7th game of the World Series. I'd take Montana. Why is going to 4 superbowls more impressive then going to 7? Yes brady has 2 losses and maybe will be 3. But going to 7 superbowls is way more impressive than going to 4, especially in a salary cap league Edited January 25, 2017 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Why is going to 4 superbowls more impressive then going to 7? Yes brady has 2 losses and maybe will be 3. But going to 7 superbowls is way more impressive than going to 4, especially in a salary cap league And also add Brady had given the team the lead in those two losses with around 2 minutes to go. So he was def clutch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 And also add Brady had given the team the lead in those two losses with around 2 minutes to go. So he was def clutch! I hate to agree with you cause I don't like brady or the pats but you are correct lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Brady will - and should - go down as the greatest QB to ever play the game. Anyone who disagrees simply hates him. He is the best, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Brady is consistently great, but all of his SB games were down to the wire. Montana was a master when the competition was the toughest. He was at his best in all the SB games. His QB rating supports this. Brady's average SB rating is 95 and Montana is 127. To be the best you have to dominate the best and that's exactly what Montana did. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, but this is the way I see it. My point of view is more like this. Who would you want to quarterback your team if you could have that QB in their prime? I think you could make good arguments for a few others but I think I'd have to take Brady. He excels against a variety of schemes. He excels under pressure. He excels no matter who's at wideout. He can get the ball to any part of the field with accuracy. And he continually drives himself to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Brady will play for the next ten years, win many more games and championships, and easily go down as the greatest of all-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I will NEVER understand how going 4-0 is better than going 4-2. I mean the guy is less great because he made the big game two MORE times than Montana or Bradshaw! Also in theb2 losses he had gotten the lead for the team with around 2 minutes to go. I don't know what else a QB can do in those spots... he can't play D! Also Kelly >>>>>>>> McNair and he lost 4 straight SB! The crazy notion that losing a SB makes you less of a great player is just astronomically dumb in my opinion. IMO I hate comparing different eras against eachother as rules, and leagues change. Brady IMO (biased as it is) is the greatest QB in the modern era followed by P. Manning. I think P Manning is LIGHTYEARS Better than his little Bro even though he is 2-1 and Eli is 2-0. Agree 100% with your first two paragraphs. Devil's Advocate question re: the third paragraph: could Brady have led four separate head coaches to four Super Bowl appearances like Manning did? From a ring perspective, Brady has had a massive advantage over Peyton simply because of who Brady's one single head coach has been as opposed to the handful that Peyton played under. Not saying Brady didn't have a huge responsibility for the Patriots Machine. But... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I agree with metz. Its kinda like with Jack Nicholson. He has the most second place Major finishes in golf history at 19, which is almost double the next man up on the list who has 10. So often the bridesmaid, he is widely considered a choke case and a loser despite his incredible successes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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