daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: My point exactly. You mentioned the “unfortunate” ones who are I debt could use the tax breaks. They would have those tax breaks and still be in debt. Fools will be fools. And you and I didn’t benefit from those stock by backs? So a buy back is “almost” securities fraud? ???? It's not securities fraud, but it has the general feel of it. I mean you inflate your companies price with the money that you told Trump you'd use to invest in jobs, then sell a bunch of your own personal shares on the bump. It's greasy at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, daz28 said: It's not securities fraud, but it has the general feel of it. I mean you inflate your companies price with the money that you told Trump you'd use to invest in jobs, then sell a bunch of your own personal shares on the bump. It's greasy at best As a public company who benefits from the increased share price? You likely didn’t B word when your 401k doubled. And we had the lowest unemployment in what 50 years. Is there nothing over the last 3.5 years that half the country won’t complain about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: As a public company who benefits from the increased share price? You likely didn’t B word when your 401k doubled. And we had the lowest unemployment in what 50 years. Is there nothing over the last 3.5 years that half the country won’t complain about? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. if your company buys back shares, the price per share goes up. Top executives have their own personal shares as well. After the price goes up on the companies buyback, they then sell their personal shares for a neat GUARANTEED profit. Neither me nor you have ever benefitted from a GUARANTEED stock transaction like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, daz28 said: I don't think you understand what I'm saying. if your company buys back shares, the price per share goes up. Top executives have their own personal shares as well. After the price goes up on the companies buyback, they then sell their personal shares for a neat GUARANTEED profit. Neither me nor you have ever benefitted from a GUARANTEED stock transaction like that. I know how stock buybacks work. You do realize that every shareholder has the ability to do the EXACT same thing right? And you do realize that a stock buyback does not GUARANTEE the share price will rise don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Tiberius said: Or, don’t respond. Look at the meat industry, they are hurting because of the virus, not the response. Let’s not forget that. Some people seem to want to blame the response. I know we are a political people, but the virus is the disaster, not the response. you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Chef Jim said: I know how stock buybacks work. You do realize that every shareholder has the ability to do the EXACT same thing right? And you do realize that a stock buyback does not GUARANTEE the share price will rise don't you? The shareholder does not know when the transaction will go through, so he's playing the street like everyone else. Top management could even BUY more shares before they DECIDE to execute the buy back to enhance their position in the company. None of this was even considered when they ram-rodded this tax cut through. It may have even been intentional, butt look there's Mike Flynn's squirrel. If a company is not in a position to re-invest, and stock buyback from tax cuts is the best option for the company, you better believe that will increase its price per share. Guaranteed no, but if the management is that inept, they wouldn't/shouldn't be where they are. Edited May 11, 2020 by daz28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 14 hours ago, Chef Jim said: I know how stock buybacks work. You do realize that every shareholder has the ability to do the EXACT same thing right? And you do realize that a stock buyback does not GUARANTEE the share price will rise don't you? I am guessing he also does not realize that stock does not only go to top executives. Companies use it as incentives to attract and retain quality workers. My company has been using options and RSU's for a while and you do not have to be in management to get them. You have to look at why the company is buying back stock. It could be positive or negative. Are they trying to manipulate EPS? Are they trying to get their stock price up if they think it is undervalued? Are they trying to cut the amount of money they pay in dividends? There are a bunch of reasons why companies would buy back stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 42 minutes ago, KRC said: I am guessing he also does not realize that stock does not only go to top executives. Companies use it as incentives to attract and retain quality workers. My company has been using options and RSU's for a while and you do not have to be in management to get them. You have to look at why the company is buying back stock. It could be positive or negative. Are they trying to manipulate EPS? Are they trying to get their stock price up if they think it is undervalued? Are they trying to cut the amount of money they pay in dividends? There are a bunch of reasons why companies would buy back stock. But #ceosbad! 7 hours ago, daz28 said: The shareholder does not know when the transaction will go through, so he's playing the street like everyone else. Top management could even BUY more shares before they DECIDE to execute the buy back to enhance their position in the company. None of this was even considered when they ram-rodded this tax cut through. It may have even been intentional, butt look there's Mike Flynn's squirrel. If a company is not in a position to re-invest, and stock buyback from tax cuts is the best option for the company, you better believe that will increase its price per share. Guaranteed no, but if the management is that inept, they wouldn't/shouldn't be where they are. Then why did you use the word GUARANTEED in all caps twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: But #ceosbad! I usually see it come down to jealousy. They want what the CEOs have, but are not willing to put in the work to attain that level within the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, KRC said: I usually see it come down to jealousy. They want what the CEOs have, but are not willing to put in the work to attain that level within the company. I don’t. I see it as they truly feel CEO’s of large corporations are evil. That they just sit around and make millions with no risk. They are worker bees that don’t understand why upper management make so much. They have no clue the risk a CEO has and continues to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) If anyone is seeing this, put on CNBC to Chamath Pailihapitya interview ongoing. Controversial guy for sure, but his interviews are always thought provoking. Not a fan of the Feds actions today..his main thoughts today is we are enterenting hyper deflationary time, where equities will be disconnected from the economy and continue and upward rise...furthering the wealth gap etc. After he is finished, will see if i can get a link from CNBC. From his last interview https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/palihapitiya-buybacks-show-growing-strain-of-incompetence-among-ceos.html Edited May 12, 2020 by plenzmd1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: If anyone is seeing this, put on CNBC to Chamath Pailihapitya interview ongoing. Controversial guy for sure, but his interviews are always thought provoking. Not a fan of the Feds actions today..his main thoughts today is we are enterenting hyper deflationary time, where equities will be disconnected from the economy and continue and upward rise...furthering the wealth gap etc. After he is finished, will see if i can get a link from CNBC. From his last interview https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/palihapitiya-buybacks-show-growing-strain-of-incompetence-among-ceos.html personally, i would not be surprised to see both hyper inflation and hyper deflation occur at the same time. luxuries will crash and essentials will skyrocket. that being said, that hyper inflation did not come home to roost after four rounds of QE and then QE infinity, says something. what that is exactly is debatable but one things for sure, we are going to be living in some interesting times in the days ahead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Foxx said: personally, i would not be surprised to see both hyper inflation and hyper deflation occur at the same time. luxuries will crash and essentials will skyrocket. that being said, that hyper inflation did not come home to roost after four rounds of QE and then QE infinity, says something. what that is exactly is debatable but one things for sure, we are going to be living in some interesting times in the days ahead Was all over Bitcoin. Did not watch Squawk yesterday. The hedge fund bitcoin dude was on, everyone is on bitcoin! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Just like his casino business, he ruins everything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 How did Trump ruin the economy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 China ruined the US economy when they were not forthcoming about the Wuhan virus. China ruined the world's economy. China is asshoe. I am uncertain why people are unclear about that, but it is Tibs, soooo ?♂️ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Great Depression and the Republicans only concern is that businesses can be sued for not having a safe work environment. They just don’t give a fig about the people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) On 5/10/2020 at 2:46 PM, Chef Jim said: As a public company who benefits from the increased share price? You likely didn’t B word when your 401k doubled. And we had the lowest unemployment in what 50 years. Is there nothing over the last 3.5 years that half the country won’t complain about? Those things are true (this coming from a guy with a nice, self-directed portfolio consisting of a blend of indices and individual holdings). The concern I've always had with the Trump economy was that it was built on debt, and that someone else will pay the bill for his emptying of the treasury. It was a gamble; the tax breaks were supposed to juice GDP by at least 4%, but they didn't. I wonder whether the market would have experienced similar gains in the absence of the tax breaks. Passive investing isn't going away anytime soon. And the larger companies that drag up the indices probably would have grown at a similar rate, anyhow. In any event, all that aside, all the good that was done from an economic perspective for the past 3.5 years --- and there was a lot of good for a lot of people --- was freaking wasted when he stuck his head in the sand and ignored the virus. The virus isn't his fault. And the response to the virus isn't something that he could completely control. The effect of the virus would have been bad even with the best of governments. But the things he could control . . . he has not done a good job. And that's a shame for everyone. 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: China ruined the US economy when they were not forthcoming about the Wuhan virus. China ruined the world's economy. China is asshoe. I am uncertain why people are unclear about that, but it is Tibs, soooo ?♂️ Yup. And we have no culpability at all for trying to wish it away for a couple of months instead of, you know, being proactive about it. Makes. Perfect. Sense. *** https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/14/weekly-jobless-claims.html More lovely news. Edited May 14, 2020 by SectionC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 On 5/10/2020 at 3:09 PM, daz28 said: I don't think you understand what I'm saying. if your company buys back shares, the price per share goes up. Top executives have their own personal shares as well. After the price goes up on the companies buyback, they then sell their personal shares for a neat GUARANTEED profit. Neither me nor you have ever benefitted from a GUARANTEED stock transaction like that. Trying to explain anything to that dope is a waste of time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Great Depression and the Republicans only concern is that businesses can be sued for not having a safe work environment. They just don’t give a fig about the people Business owners are people. Anyway, lots of arbitrary lawsuits could come about by gold diggers if it’s not addressed. Reasonable precautions can be taken and some will still get virus. Nothing is foolproof. No one has an innate right not to get a virus. It’s a risk anytime one is in a communal setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Business owners are people. Anyway, lots of arbitrary lawsuits could come about by gold diggers if it’s not addressed. Reasonable precautions can be taken and some will still get virus. Nothing is foolproof. No one has an innate right not to get a virus. It’s a risk anytime one is in a communal setting. You really want to take away the right of people to seek redress through the courts?? But dont pass pass gun laws, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: You really want to take away the right of people to seek redress through the courts?? But dont pass pass gun laws, right? We already have gun laws, traitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Reality Check said: We already have gun laws, traitor. Love that Safe Act 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Love that Safe Act You are becoming my favorite Nazi. Did they promise you a job as a guard when people get rounded up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You really want to take away the right of people to seek redress through the courts?? But dont pass pass gun laws, right? Some kind of limitation will be needed. Even though proving where someone got a virus would be difficult, too many liberal judges. That’s why New York State is such a cesspool and we pay so much for car insurance etc. maybe you sign a waiver to get a job. Anyway, if I work at your business and I get Covid 19 , was your business negligent ? Or did I not wish my hands etc. lots of people are slobs, as evidenced by the spread of this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Some kind of limitation will be needed. Even though proving where someone got a virus would be difficult, too many liberal judges. That’s why New York State is such a cesspool and we pay so much for car insurance etc. maybe you sign a waiver to get a job. Anyway, if I work at your business and I get Covid 19 , was your business negligent ? Or did I not wish my hands etc. lots of people are slobs, as evidenced by the spread of this stuff. On citizens seeking redress through the courts? Seriously? On what constitutional grounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: On citizens seeking redress through the courts? Seriously? On what constitutional grounds? You could give a damn about the Constitution. How much does Bloomberg pay you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: On citizens seeking redress through the courts? Seriously? On what constitutional grounds? We already have some limits, even in NYS. Such as the workers comp law. I think some reasonable limits are in order here. Also, no one is forced to go back to work, ever. You work on a voluntary basis. You can stay home forever if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Boatdrinks said: We already have some limits, even in NYS. Such as the workers comp law. I think some reasonable limits are in order here. Also, no one is forced to go back to work, ever. You work on a voluntary basis. You can stay home forever if you want. But a worker can be lied to, told its safe but it's not. That's exactly the employer the GOP wants to protect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: But a worker can be lied to, told its safe but it's not. That's exactly the employer the GOP wants to protect Safe is the most overused term in this and it’s a lie. No one is safe from a virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: How did Trump ruin the economy? He personally ruined the economy by closing the economy, but not soon enough, and now has blood on his hands - being personally responsible for all the Flu Manchu Deaths - because of his slow response in shutting down the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Trying to explain anything to that dope is a waste of time. Yeah what do I know. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Quote TSMC’s announcement comes at a critical juncture, when China is competing to dominate cutting-edge technology and control critical industries. The TSMC facility in Arizona will increase U.S. economic independence, bolster our safety and competitiveness, and strengthen our leadership in high-tech manufacturing. This historic deal also strengthens our relationship with Taiwan, a vibrant democracy and force for good in the world. With TSMC’s commitment, high-tech chips will be Made in America once again—the nation where the semiconductor industry was invented. These chips will power everything from artificial intelligence to 5G base stations to F-35s. TSMC’s investment will create thousands of highly-skilled American jobs and tens of thousands more jobs across the entire supply chain for years to come. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Quote Neel Kashkari, the Minneapolis Fed president, said on CBS News on Thursday, “If this is a slow recovery, the way I think it is — I think we’re in this for months, a year, 18 months — there are going to be a lot of families that are going to need direct financial assistance.” He added, “I think a V–shaped recovery is off the table.” And Republicans are sitting on their hands in the Senate as the economy burns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Then we offer financial assistance to those that need it not to every pet project under the sun. Politicians on both sides are very good a burying pork in those bills. And some of it not so buried. We need to get assistance to people who need it NOW. How do things like this help people NOW? It doesn’t. It just delays the passing of the bill? https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/12/marijuana-banking-heroes-act-coronavirus/amp/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Then we offer financial assistance to those that need it not to every pet project under the sun. Politicians on both sides are very good a burying pork in those bills. And some of it not so buried. We need to get assistance to people who need it NOW. How do things like this help people NOW? It doesn’t. It just delays the passing of the bill? https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/12/marijuana-banking-heroes-act-coronavirus/amp/ Don't you know that things are going to get so bad financially for people that we need to give cash payments to illegal aliens and fundamentally change our voting procedures? Not to mention how the federal government needs to support sanctuary cities/states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Don't you know that things are going to get so bad financially for people that we need to give cash payments to illegal aliens and fundamentally change our voting procedures? Not to mention how the federal government needs to support sanctuary cities/states. Not sure what your comment has to do with allowing the Cannabis industry to utilize the banking system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Not sure what your comment has to do with allowing the Cannabis industry to utilize the banking system. The current banking system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, unbillievable said: The current banking system... Exactly and his was to do with illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities. @3rdnlng seems to be confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Exactly and his was to do with illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities. @3rdnlng seems to be confused. Who me, confused? Honest, officer I'm dyslexic and I read the speed limit sign wrong. I thought it was 05 instead of 50 like you claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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