BillsFan130 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Do you guys think injuries are a reasonable excuse for this season? My answer personally is no. In my opinion, there are four mvp's on this team. By MVP I mean most valuable, not the best (So don't rip on me when you see Tyrod's name). Tyrod because he is the QB and plays the most important position. Shady because the bills are a run first team and is their best player. Kyle Williams because he is the run stuffer and heart and soul. And Aaron Williams because he is the quarterback of the secondary and can even argue the whole defence. Outside of Aaron Williams, the bills have had the other 3 guys almost every game. I believe Shady missed the dolphins game and most of Cinci and Kyle missed the Steelers game. Where the bills have had bad luck with injuries is at the WR position. But with the Bills offence, I really don't think receiver is a key part of their team. As shown the last 3 games, the bills have been healthy at the WR position and it really doesn't make that much difference. Losing Lawson and Ragland were blessings in disguise this year. Lorax and Zack Brown would have barely played and it's hard to say Lawson and Ragland would be better than those guys. I think the key injury the bills have is Aaron Williams. I never thought a lot of him before his injury, but with him being out it really shows the impact he has on that defence. Every NFL team has injuries and key injuries, so for me, the 7 and 7 record comes down to inconsistent QB play, bad coaching and bad defence the majority of the time. In saying that, barely having Shady against the dolphins in October was huge. I really do think the bills win that game if he was healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Every team battles with injuries. Lack of contingency plan at Safety proved to be costly. Meeks and Duke Williams shouldn't have made it out of mini camp. I think the only valid injury excuse is that we got no production out of our top two picks due to injury, and even that is debatable since many knew Shaq would miss time. I also think L. Alexander's production negates the excuse because there was no way in hell a healthy S. Lawson was going to produce that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Do you guys think injuries are a reasonable excuse for this season? My answer personally is no. In my opinion, there are four mvp's on this team. By MVP I mean most valuable, not the best (So don't rip on me when you see Tyrod's name). Tyrod because he is the QB and plays the most important position. Shady because the bills are a run first team and is their best player. Kyle Williams because he is the run stuffer and heart and soul. And Aaron Williams because he is the quarterback of the secondary and can even argue the whole defence. Outside of Aaron Williams, the bills have had the other 3 guys almost every game. I believe Shady missed the dolphins game and most of Cinci and Kyle missed the Steelers game. Where the bills have had bad luck with injuries is at the WR position. But with the Bills offence, I really don't think receiver is a key part of their team. As shown the last 3 games, the bills have been healthy at the WR position and it really doesn't make that much difference. Losing Lawson and Ragland were blessings in disguise this year. Lorax and Zack Brown would have barely played and it's hard to say Lawson and Ragland would be better than those guys. I think the key injury the bills have is Aaron Williams. I never thought a lot of him before his injury, but with him being out it really shows the impact he has on that defence. Every NFL team has injuries and key injuries, so for me, the 7 and 7 record comes down to inconsistent QB play, bad coaching and bad defence the majority of the time. In saying that, barely having Shady against the dolphins in October was huge. I really do think the bills win that game if he was healthy I think to ignore the Injuries at the receiver/TE position is a mistake. Watkins in particular would impact the offense when healthy! I'm also not sure that Ragland hasn't been missed. Our interior Linebackers have been killed in certain games, especially Preston Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 No more excuses after 17 years, you either make the playoffs or you fail. May not be fair to some, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 I think to ignore the Injuries at the receiver/TE position is a mistake. Watkins in particular would impact the offense when healthy! I'm also not sure that Ragland hasn't been missed. Our interior Linebackers have been killed in certain games, especially Preston Brown. Watkins is a good player but he really isn't a key part of this team in my opinion. One catch for 10 yards against the browns. Will agree with you that Preston Brown has had a tough stretch as of late. Hard to say what kind of impact a rookie like Ragland would do in a confusing Rex defence though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 The Pats lost Brady and went 3-1. Deep Fry Dareus is in no way comparable to Tom Brady when it comes to relative importance to his team. I loved Ragland at Alabama, but he's not going to single handedly fix the D. Had Watkins played more this season, maybe they win another game? hard to say really, but I sort of doubt it with TT under center, a QB that minimizes WRs contribution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genosmith Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 The Pats lost Brady and went 3-1. Deep Fry Dareus is in no way comparable to Tom Brady when it comes to relative importance to his team. I loved Ragland at Alabama, but he's not going to single handedly fix the D. Had Watkins played more this season, maybe they win another game? hard to say really, but I sort of doubt it with TT under center, a QB that minimizes WRs contribution Dareus, Watkins and awil are huge injuries. Dareus is your best Defender and Watkins is tied for best offense. And Shady has been out some games. Not saying excuse but don't minimize them. Also, why does it work both ways. Injuries not an excuse but when Buffalo shuts out New England when 3-0 without Tom Brady it's meaningless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Barring a loss of a guy like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady for an entire season, injuries are never an excuse. We haven't had someone good enough for injuries to be an excuse for two decades, even when we did we'd still find ways to win with Kelly or Thurman Thomas out of the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Dareus, Watkins and awil are huge injuries. Dareus is your best Defender and Watkins is tied for best offense. And Shady has been out some games. Not saying excuse but don't minimize them. Also, why does it work both ways. Injuries not an excuse but when Buffalo shuts out New England when 3-0 without Tom Brady it's meaningless? Comparing the impact of Tom brady vs. Dareus and Watkins is completely different. Tom brady plays the most important position and he is arguably the best of all time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genosmith Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Comparing the impact of Tom brady vs. Dareus and Watkins is completely different. Tom brady plays the most important position and he is arguably the best of all time 30 other teams are forced to play without Tom Brady. Dareus is your highest paid defensive player. Watkins is two first round picks. And Bills were missing McCoy against Pats. Just saying that if Pats get Brady excuse then there other injury excuses or talent excuses because other teams aren't as lucky to have Brady on their roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Do you guys think injuries are a reasonable excuse for this season? My answer personally is no. In my opinion, there are four mvp's on this team. By MVP I mean most valuable, not the best (So don't rip on me when you see Tyrod's name). Tyrod because he is the QB and plays the most important position. Shady because the bills are a run first team and is their best player. Kyle Williams because he is the run stuffer and heart and soul. And Aaron Williams because he is the quarterback of the secondary and can even argue the whole defence. Outside of Aaron Williams, the bills have had the other 3 guys almost every game. I believe Shady missed the dolphins game and most of Cinci and Kyle missed the Steelers game. Where the bills have had bad luck with injuries is at the WR position. But with the Bills offence, I really don't think receiver is a key part of their team. As shown the last 3 games, the bills have been healthy at the WR position and it really doesn't make that much difference. Losing Lawson and Ragland were blessings in disguise this year. Lorax and Zack Brown would have barely played and it's hard to say Lawson and Ragland would be better than those guys. I think the key injury the bills have is Aaron Williams. I never thought a lot of him before his injury, but with him being out it really shows the impact he has on that defence. Every NFL team has injuries and key injuries, so for me, the 7 and 7 record comes down to inconsistent QB play, bad coaching and bad defence the majority of the time. In saying that, barely having Shady against the dolphins in October was huge. I really do think the bills win that game if he was healthy Ragland would have been top MLB. Preston Brown has been atrocious. He would have been out of the starting lineup in favor of Zach early into the season. If Ragland was anything like he was in college or pre-season, well, then that injury hurt big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 An excuse - No.A factor - Unfortunately yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Ragland would have been top MLB. Preston Brown has been atrocious. He would have been out of the starting lineup in favor of Zach early into the season. If Ragland was anything like he was in college or pre-season, well, then that injury hurt big time. Very hard to ask a rookie linebacker to come in and dominate though, especially in a rex ryan defence where it's very complicated and confusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 They are never an excuse, imo. A successful franchise finds a way to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 No, because TT wouldn't have thrown it anymore or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I know fans dont like to look at things logically but yes....injuries were absolutely a reason why we didnt do better this year We lost the best offensive player on the O side of the ball We lost the best defensive player on the D side of the ball for significant time We were playing street free agents at WR We have NO legit safeties Its a factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I know fans dont like to look at things logically but yes....injuries were absolutely a reason why we didnt do better this year We lost the best offensive player on the O side of the ball We lost the best defensive player on the D side of the ball for significant time We were playing street free agents at WR We have NO legit safeties Its a factor yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I think injuries are a big problem. The biggest concern I have, is with the GM and coaches not properly evaluating the talent they have on the team and where they're thin at. It's mind boggling that they didn't know before this season that Duke Williams and Jonathan Meeks were terrible back ups. Also that they made no real effort to address the WR corps. So I really think the injuries more or less showed how inept of a job Doug Whaley is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I know fans dont like to look at things logically but yes....injuries were absolutely a reason why we didnt do better this year We lost the best offensive player on the O side of the ball We lost the best defensive player on the D side of the ball for significant time We were playing street free agents at WR We have NO legit safeties Its a factor Shady is our best O player and he has been healthy all year... Who is responsible for the safeties, WRs and overall depth? Were these concerns coming into this season seeing we had issues there last year too? How does that person get another shot, but a coach who has to deal with these realities doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Very hard to ask a rookie linebacker to come in and dominate though, especially in a rex ryan defence where it's very complicated and confusing "you! ragland! I thought I told you the MLB's job was to run around in circles doing jazzhands! Do as I say!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 It's not like Taylor hasn't missed anytime. Darius is an idiot and watkins is glass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 lots of guy love stats on this board. I wonder how much better the Bills d plays with a healthy Arron Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 It's not like Taylor hasn't missed anytime. Darius is an idiot and watkins is glass It seems to me that Watkins is the best (most talented?) player on this team, but probably not entirely critical to it's W/L record because the 2016 Buffalo Bills are pre-modern era football team, where the forward pass is considered an exotic and not to be trusted innovation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 I know fans dont like to look at things logically but yes....injuries were absolutely a reason why we didnt do better this year We lost the best offensive player on the O side of the ball We lost the best defensive player on the D side of the ball for significant time We were playing street free agents at We have NO legit safeties Its a factor Every team has injuries though sir. Some teams have better depth than others. That falls on Whaley for me. I don't blame him for the receivers mind you because they were dropping at a ridiculous rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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