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[bobobonators]

I compiled the following. For people who like numbers like I do you may appreciate it. For those who dont you wont care. Stats are stats. Numbers are numbers. Wins trump all. But thats the fun of sports. Anyway here we go:

 

Since 2015. For QBs. Instead of a simple TD/INT ratio i looked at TOTAL TD/TOTAL TURNOVER ratio which consists of passing and rushing TD and INT/fumbles lost for QBs. I also included Dak even though he didnt play last yr. Its a ratio and i figured 11 games was a decent sample size for Dak

 

1. Tom Brady - 5.7

2. Dak - 4.6

3. Tyrod - 3.33

4. Russel Wilson - 2.94

5. Rodgers - 2.82

6. Brees - 2.71

7. Cam - 2.63

8. Alex Smith - 2.62

9. Stafford - 2.48

10. Cousins - 2.45

11. Dalton - 2.39

12. Carr - 2.25

13. Palmer - 1.89

14. Eli - 1.83

15. Big Ben - 1.8

16. Rivers - 1.73

17. Mariota - 1.71

18. Tannehill - 1.64

19. M. Ryan - 1.62

20. Luck - 1.46

21. Fitz - 1.39

22. Flacco - 1.15

 

Tom Brady has contributed to 5.7x more TD than turnovers.

 

That was actually a complete waste of my time. Cheers.

Edited November 30, 2016 by bobobonators

[mikemac2001]

Did you hear about this on WGR

 

Good post and good info

Edited November 30, 2016 by mikemac2001

[LeGOATski]

Cool.

[MAJBobby]

I compiled the following. For people who like numbers like I do you may appreciate it. For those who dont you wont care. Stats are stats. Numbers are numbers. Wins trump all. But thats the fun of sports. Anyway here we go:

 

Since 2015. For QBs. Instead of a simple TD/INT ratio i looked at TOTAL TD/TOTAL TURNOVER ratio which consists of passing and rushing TD and INT/fumbles lost for QBs. I also included Dak even though he didnt play last yr. Its a ratio and i figured 11 games was a decent sample size for Dak

 

1. Tom Brady - 5.7

2. Dak - 4.6

3. Tyrod - 3.33

4. Russel Wilson - 2.94

5. Rodgers - 2.82

6. Brees - 2.71

7. Cam - 2.63

8. Alex Smith - 2.62

9. Stafford - 2.48

10. Cousins - 2.45

11. Dalton - 2.39

12. Carr - 2.25

13. Palmer - 1.89

14. Eli - 1.83

15. Big Ben - 1.8

16. Rivers - 1.73

17. Mariota - 1.71

18. Tannehill - 1.64

19. M. Ryan - 1.62

20. Luck - 1.46

21. Fitz - 1.39

22. Flacco - 1.15

 

Tom Brady has contributed to 5.7x more TD than turnovers.

 

That was actually a complete waste of my time. Cheers.

I like these numbers. Kinda makes you wonder on AVG TT is attributing around 24.33 points to the offense before a turnover.

 

So now that makes me wonder why it doesn't translate to more wins. I get by these numbers you essentially start off 0-2 with the Pats.

 

I can attribute a lot of last year to the injuries on defense so I would like to see a regression or progression number from Tyrod in 2015 to 2016. Hold on I will help out.

 

2015 - 3.42 (14 games)

2016 - 3.2 (11 games)

 

2015 PPG 22.5

2016 PPG 21.0

 

So by these numbers we should almost be winning every game minus the 2 against NE.

 

I know it doesn't work this way but something is holding this team back in the win column.

Edited November 30, 2016 by MAJBobby

[bobobonators]

Did you hear about this on WGR

 

Good post and good info

HAHA. Seriously. It may be just as bad to be honest. No i got the idea from another thread where MajBobby was discussing TD/INT ratio. I just decided to include both rushing and passing TDs in addition to INT and fumbles lost.

 

This is just one number and means very little by itself. Its not meant to rank QB's by how good they really are. Just looking at how often a QB is involved in a TD compared to how often they cough it up to the other team.

I like these numbers. Kinda makes you wonder on AVG TT is attributing around 24.33 points to the offense.

 

So now that makes me wonder why it doesn't translate to more wins. I get by these numbers you essentially start off 0-2 with the Pats.

 

I can attribute a lot of last year to the injuries on defense so I would like to see a regression or progression number from Tyrod in 2015 to 2016. Hold on I will help out.

 

2015 - 3.42 (14 games)

2016 - 3.2 (11 games)

 

2015 PPG 22.5

2016 PPG 21.0

 

So by these numbers we should almost be winning every game minus the 2 against NE.

 

I know it doesn't work this way but something is holding this team back in the win column.

Hard to say really. Its one of those things where numbers dont tell the whole story. Just having fun to see where certain QBs ranked in this manner. Theres definitely a slight correlation between the quality of QB at the top of that list compared to the quality at the bottom. Obviously with some outliers (like TT - hes obviously not at the same level as the QBs in that top 5)

[uticaclub]

So Tyrod at 3.3 is twice as good as Ben at 1.8?

[bobobonators]

Another thing to with that grouping is that it dates back to last year (aside from Dak) thats why some QBs who you may logically think should be higher bc of this season are actually lower and vice versa.

[fridge]

2015 Passing Touchdowns list (Top 20...err 21):

 

1 Tom Brady*.............36

2 Eli Manning*...........35

3 Blake Bortles..........35

4 Carson Palmer*......35

5 Cam Newton*+.......35

6 Russell Wilson*.......34

7 Drew Brees............32

8 Matthew Stafford....32

9 Derek Carr*............32

10 Aaron Rodgers*...31

11 Ryan Fitzpatrick...31

12 Philip Rivers.........29

13 Kirk Cousins.........29

14 Andy Dalton.........25

15 Ryan Tannehill.....24

16 Jameis Winston*..22

17 Matt Ryan............21

18 Jay Cutler.............21

19 Ben Roethlisberger* 21

20 Alex Smith...........20

21 Tyrod Taylor*.......20

You included a ratio, and added rushing touchdowns to make Taylor's numbers appear elite. The problem is that on a purely passing scale, he's simply put, below average. You need to score to win, and as cute as efficient ratios might be, it's the reason we only scored 7 points and lost to the Ravens in Week 1.

[bobobonators]

So Tyrod at 3.3 is twice as good as Ben at 1.8?

HAHA. Thats not what that metric says at all. All it simply says is that for every 1.8 TD that Ben is involved in, hes also involved in 1 turnover. (Since last year at least)

 

2015 Passing Touchdowns list (Top 20...err 21):

 

1 Tom Brady*.............36

2 Eli Manning*...........35

3 Blake Bortles..........35

4 Carson Palmer*......35

5 Cam Newton*+.......35

6 Russell Wilson*.......34

7 Drew Brees............32

8 Matthew Stafford....32

9 Derek Carr*............32

10 Aaron Rodgers*...31

11 Ryan Fitzpatrick...31

12 Philip Rivers.........29

13 Kirk Cousins.........29

14 Andy Dalton.........25

15 Ryan Tannehill.....24

16 Jameis Winston*..22

17 Matt Ryan............21

18 Jay Cutler.............21

19 Ben Roethlisberger* 21

20 Alex Smith...........20

21 Tyrod Taylor*.......20

 

You included a ratio, and added rushing touchdowns to make Taylor's numbers appear elite. The problem is that on a purely passing scale, he's simply put, below average. You need to score to win, and as cute as efficient ratios might be, it's the reason we only scored 7 points and lost to the Ravens in Week 1.

Actually i didnt fudge any numbers. And im not ranking QB by how GOOD they are. If i wanted to talk "scoring" i could simply repeat the following to you and shut you up:

 

"QB of the 8th ranked scoring offense in the NFL". The end.

 

Thats not what im doing here. I simply want to see how frequently a QB contributes to a TD compared to a turnover. Its a team game. If you turn the ball over you directly impact your probability of winning so it cant completely be ignored. That being said you also cant compare Brees to TT when it comes to sheer scoring. This metric isnt a zero sum scenario.

 

At the end of the day a TD is a TD is a TD and a Turnover is what it is. When Tyrod runs it in should it not count? Panthers should trade cam then.

[fridge]

HAHA. Thats not what that metric says at all. All it simply says is that for every 1.8 TD that Ben is involved in, hes also involved in 1 turnover. (Since last year at least)

 

Actually i didnt fudge any numbers. And im not ranking QB by how GOOD they are. If i wanted to talk "scoring" i could simply repeat the following to you and shut you up:

 

"QB of the 8th ranked scoring offense in the NFL". The end.

 

Thats not what im doing here. I simply want to see how frequently a QB contributes to a TD compared to a turnover. Its a team game. If you turn the ball over you directly impact your probability of winning so it cant completely be ignored. That being said you also cant compare Brees to TT when it comes to sheer scoring. This metric isnt a zero sum scenario.

 

At the end of the day a TD is a TD is a TD and a Turnover is what it is. When Tyrod runs it in should it not count? Panthers should trade cam then.

 

No crap. My point was that no one is arguing Tyrod isn't a dynamic running QB that plays it safe. Of course he is. He is, if nothing else, an electric player that doesn't take chances. Your stat did a good job of indicating that. I didn't say you fudged the numbers at all, I'm just suggesting that they don't tell the whole story, the story of Taylor as a passing QB.

[jr1]

People only care about passing yards these days

[Beef Jerky]

People only care about passing yards these days

Yea but those people are dumb and we don't need to care about them.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Thank you OP for contributing useful content.

Of that list there are about 6-7 names of quarterbacks that I wouldn't want over TT, because to me they do not provide the 'it' factor. The game winning clutch mentality. I would take Flaco before so many of those others. Flaco did it, put his team on his back and went on a great playoff and Super Bowl run. I think another piece to that stat you provided OP is when during the game and where on the field they occur.

Those kind of posts are cool. Thank you.

[Pbomb]

I like these numbers. Kinda makes you wonder on AVG TT is attributing around 24.33 points to the offense before a turnover.

So now that makes me wonder why it doesn't translate to more wins. I get by these numbers you essentially start off 0-2 with the Pats.

I can attribute a lot of last year to the injuries on defense so I would like to see a regression or progression number from Tyrod in 2015 to 2016. Hold on I will help out.

2015 - 3.42 (14 games)

2016 - 3.2 (11 games)

2015 PPG 22.5

2016 PPG 21.0

So by these numbers we should almost be winning every game minus the 2 against NE.

I know it doesn't work this way but something is holding this team back in the win column.

i'd say third downs are a major reason. We dont convert them enough to extend drives and our defense gives up to many third and longs

[eball]

 

No crap. My point was that no one is arguing Tyrod isn't a dynamic running QB that plays it safe. Of course he is. He is, if nothing else, an electric player that doesn't take chances. Your stat did a good job of indicating that. I didn't say you fudged the numbers at all, I'm just suggesting that they don't tell the whole story, the story of Taylor as a passing QB.

 

Is there a QB standard I've missed somewhere that asserts a QB may only be properly measured as a "true passer?" The QB is the leader of the offense; if he is generating points and not turning the ball over he's doing his job. Get out of the old school mindset that a QB is only good if he's throwing the ball all over the field.

 

The only area in which I'm "on the fence" about Tyrod is his ability to lead a 4th Q comeback (although technically he did it Sunday). Finishing off the Seattle game would have been huge.

 

A lot can happen over the next five games, obviously, but right now I'd put my own money down that the Bills will not opt out of Tyrod's deal after the season.

[Jobot]

I like these numbers. Kinda makes you wonder on AVG TT is attributing around 24.33 points to the offense before a turnover.

 

So now that makes me wonder why it doesn't translate to more wins. I get by these numbers you essentially start off 0-2 with the Pats.

 

I can attribute a lot of last year to the injuries on defense so I would like to see a regression or progression number from Tyrod in 2015 to 2016. Hold on I will help out.

 

2015 - 3.42 (14 games)

2016 - 3.2 (11 games)

 

2015 PPG 22.5

2016 PPG 21.0

 

So by these numbers we should almost be winning every game minus the 2 against NE.

 

I know it doesn't work this way but something is holding this team back in the win column.

 

You answered your own question... Defense

 

Who's to blame:

Baltimore loss - offense

Jets loss - defense

NE loss - defense

Miami loss - defense

Seattle loss - defense

 

Team sport bro

[Gordio]

 

2015 Passing Touchdowns list (Top 20...err 21):

 

1 Tom Brady*.............36

2 Eli Manning*...........35

3 Blake Bortles..........35

4 Carson Palmer*......35

5 Cam Newton*+.......35

6 Russell Wilson*.......34

7 Drew Brees............32

8 Matthew Stafford....32

9 Derek Carr*............32

10 Aaron Rodgers*...31

11 Ryan Fitzpatrick...31

12 Philip Rivers.........29

13 Kirk Cousins.........29

14 Andy Dalton.........25

15 Ryan Tannehill.....24

16 Jameis Winston*..22

17 Matt Ryan............21

18 Jay Cutler.............21

19 Ben Roethlisberger* 21

20 Alex Smith...........20

21 Tyrod Taylor*.......20

You included a ratio, and added rushing touchdowns to make Taylor's numbers appear elite. The problem is that on a purely passing scale, he's simply put, below average. You need to score to win, and as cute as efficient ratios might be, it's the reason we only scored 7 points and lost to the Ravens in Week 1.

 

 

 

What is the difference, I think this shows he puts up points & he doesn't turn the ball over. He is not your conventional QB. He is not throwing for 300 yards a game. But where he lacks in that he makes up for in his running ability. This Bills offense under TT has put points over a sustainable period of time like no other offense since the Kelly days. Does he have to get better in hitting guys in stride & being more accurate, absolutely, but he is by far our best option going into next year & the forseeable future. If he ever hit the free agent market there would be teams lining up to sign him, you could count on that.

[Coach Tuesday]

What that might suggest is that avoiding turnovers should't be as much of a priority as the Bills seem to be making it...

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Scoring points hasn't been an issue. Don't they lead the league in points scored on in the top 3 or so? Yes amazing you pick out the one game where the offense only scored 7 points. Take that game out and what did they score? Typically enough points that most teams win.

 

So on a pure passing scale he's below average, OK fine, but there is more to football than just passing. Is TT a great franchise QB, no but he's not close to being the reason we're 6-5. I'd put the blame on the defense if anything. Given the amount of points we've scored, we should have at least two more wins I'd estimate.

 

 

You included a ratio, and added rushing touchdowns to make Taylor's numbers appear elite. The problem is that on a purely passing scale, he's simply put, below average. You need to score to win, and as cute as efficient ratios might be, it's the reason we only scored 7 points and lost to the Ravens in Week 1.

 

[KDIGGZ]

Tyrod doesnt make mistakes because he refuses to throw to any receiver that isn't totally wide open. Some people think that's fine because no turnovers. But the result is passing for 160 yards a game like on Sunday