ChanOverChin Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Whaley is in fact a very good GM. He didn't draft Manuel. That was old man Nix. He can't help it that Watkins can't stay healthy. He's one of the few GMs that we've had who is not afraid to maneuver. He has had some very good drafts. The grass is not always greener. There's a lot to be said for continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Wow, I am so surprised that this thread had not already been started about 42 different times... oh wait... Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANK2 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) The problem with this is on Watkins Whaley's evaluation was correct. The injury problem could not possibly have been foreseen. Not refering to Watkins specifically. Refering To the notion that the draft is a crap shoot. Thats flat out wrong. The Bills drafting improved immensely in the 80s when Polian took over. Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore has a stellar reputation in the draft. The Steelers have relied heavily on the draft rarely signing free agents from other teams. Some GMs are better at it than others. Edited October 1, 2016 by TANK2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Not refering to Watkins specifically. Refering To the notion that the draft is a crap shoot. Thats flat out wrong. The Bills drafting improved immensely in the 80s when Polian took over. Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore has a stellar reputation in the draft. The Steelers have relied heavily on the draft rarely signing free agents from other teams. Some GMs are better at it than others. The draft ABSOLUTELY is a crap shoot.....you improve your chances by improving your scouting department. And using the Steelers is a perfect example of...if you have your QB it overcomes a lot....shoot for that matter they are plucking players WE drafted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Not refering to Watkins specifically. Refering To the notion that the draft is a crap shoot. Thats flat out wrong. The Bills drafting improved immensely in the 80s when Polian took over. Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore has a stellar reputation in the draft. The Steelers have relied heavily on the draft rarely signing free agents from other teams. Some GMs are better at it than others. By most people's grades, we had an excellent draft this year. Esp considering Seymour looked alright, and washing tons been getting a fair amount of snaps. We also added an upside qb, which is something we never do... And needed. Jonathan Williams looked like a solid value pick. All in all actually a pretty solid looking draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Sammy is a very good player. Your right. I'm merely amazed at what JFH said. He essentially said you can't fault a GM for drafting what they consider a special player even if he falls flat on his face it's not the GMs fault for picking him. So when does he get blamed? Only after he's fired. Just remember, the organization is always right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 By most people's grades, we had an excellent draft this year. Esp considering Seymour looked alright, and washing tons been getting a fair amount of snaps. We also added an upside qb, which is something we never do... And needed. Jonathan Williams looked like a solid value pick. All in all actually a pretty solid looking draft. Impossible to say at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 No one has a perfect draft. The key is to win more than you lose, like Vegas. Over time it pays off with the right coaching. Put me in the pro-Whaley camp. The people who want to point to misses are just cherry picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) No one has a perfect draft. The key is to win more than you lose, like Vegas. Over time it pays off with the right coaching. Put me in the pro-Whaley camp. The people who want to point to misses are just cherry picking. Me too. His pre and post draft acquisitions activity has been not only exciting but most of them made perfect sense according to our needs. Edited October 2, 2016 by Triple Threat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Not refering to Watkins specifically. Refering To the notion that the draft is a crap shoot. Thats flat out wrong. The Bills drafting improved immensely in the 80s when Polian took over. Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore has a stellar reputation in the draft. The Steelers have relied heavily on the draft rarely signing free agents from other teams. Some GMs are better at it than others. It is a crap shoot. If you go back and look at any NFL GM they will have a lot of misses. It's a part of the profession. The Steelers and Ravens win a lot: good coaching. Good QB'ing too. That's the difference. QB and coaching. All in all Whaley has done fine. He's not afraid to make a move and he's picked up some good players off the scrap heap too. Like the GM's before him he has to find that QB. If it's not Tyrod, hope Cardale develops more quickly than expected or that there is a QB they can get access too. I'm still holding out for Tyrod to pull his passing game skills together. He can make every throw and he can be accurate. He has to do better seeing the entire field. Edited October 2, 2016 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Impossible to say at this point in time. Um. Good point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Why should we give Whaley credit for drafting a special player after using two first round picks and a fourth round pick to get him? This was not a pick in the late rounds where real draft expertise can mean the difference between drafting a TJ Graham versus a Russell Wilson. In other words, in any draft there are "special" players at the top of the draft, and to move up to draft one of those players is costly. Whaley paid the price, and possibly overpaid, but the likelihood of Sammy being an excellent WR was high. I think you can make a pretty good argument that there were other special players in the 2014 draft, including Donald, Barr, Evans, Mack and Martin. I think highly of Sammy, but I would have been happy with any one of those other players, particularly if they did not cost us first and fourth round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 FIRE WHALEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Has Whaley been fired yet? Pegulas -- WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Fire EVERYONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Whaley should be commended for signing Z. Brown. Great pick up for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 We seem to be missing a certain amount of our normal fandom today.......whats up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 We seem to be missing a certain amount of our normal fandom today.......whats up? It must really suck to be a "fan" of a team and have to go into hiding after such an awesome win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Whaley should be commended for signing Z. Brown. Great pick up for the Bills. I thought our OL today game Tyrod a huge amount of time......they were reminding me of the Super Bowl bills OL today How about along with Zach - Getting Glenn resigned - How about that RG miller that has shown a huge improvement from year 1 to year 2 - Mills has been playing very well also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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