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I meant exactly what I said -- red zone. There's nothing wrong with two long touchdowns, but if that's the only way you can score and the rest of the time you are going 3-and-out, your defense is going to be on the field for 40 minutes. And that's exactly what's happening.

 

It's what's been happening. I brought it up on numerous occasions months before the season began and was met with aggressively vehement opposition.

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With the SS (Pryor #25) pressing and the FS (Gilchrist #21) that high Clay is the hot. Their rookie LB (Lee #50) blew his coverage assignment and then fell down. After the play was over Gilchrist immediately pointed at the center of the field to indicate that they just dodged a huge bullet. This is not considered a difficult read for the QB to make.

 

I meant exactly what I said -- red zone. There's nothing wrong with two long touchdowns, but if that's the only way you can score and the rest of the time you are going 3-and-out, your defense is going to be on the field for 40 minutes. And that's exactly what's happening.

8:30 of those 40 minutes were on the opening drive, before the offense even saw the field. Doesn't excuse the rest of the game, but that's over 21% of the Jets possession time.

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8:30 of those 40 minutes were on the opening drive, before the offense even saw the field. Doesn't excuse the rest of the game, but that's over 21% of the Jets possession time.

 

Yeah, and a good chunk of that was enabled by a phantom defensive hold that had zero impact on the play.

 

Just saying.

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I think a little too much emphasis gets put on things like game plan.

 

We all know there's obviously a plan before every game and I think we understand that as the game actually plays out that game plan gets altered by many factors, for example, the score - how the defense is playing, injuries, things not working/things working, the clock, etc.. The in game adjustments IMO are where a QB and OC earn their stripes. Clearly it was an issue with Roman and/or Tyrod. This is where an experienced OC is most helpful or detrimental to a QB that is still learning. It takes time for a QB to understand the game where he's comfortable either telling his OC what he thinks or changing the play. I believe this is why Roman was let go - he just wasn't capable of through play calling to overcome Tyrod not totally being ready to run the offense.

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For those keeping score, is that on the Defense, Tyrod, or the refs? I'm not saying it was all their fault, but the numbers are what they are.

 

It's certainly on the defense for allowing two more third down conversions after that. The point was they never should have gotten there in the first place. That's on the refs.

 

But that penalty happened in Jets territory with 12:00 on the clock. Dramatically changed the complexion of the first quarter...after they failed to stop them on the next two thirds.

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I don't know about charts or graphs or regression or progression. All I know is watching that clip of that play, you expect a decent high school quarterback to complete a pass to either receiver on that play.

 

When you say "that play," are you referring to about 75% of the pass plays over the last 18 games? If yes, then I agree.

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With the SS (Pryor #25) pressing and the FS (Gilchrist #21) that high Clay is the hot. Their rookie LB (Lee #50) blew his coverage assignment and then fell down. After the play was over Gilchrist immediately pointed at the center of the field to indicate that they just dodged a huge bullet. This is not considered a difficult read for the QB to make.

 

I meant exactly what I said -- red zone. There's nothing wrong with two long touchdowns, but if that's the only way you can score and the rest of the time you are going 3-and-out, your defense is going to be on the field for 40 minutes. And that's exactly what's happening.

The TOP in the Jets game has been misinterpreted. Jets had it first for nearly nine minutes; Bills had it next for a little over a minute (and scored); and the Jets had it third for 5+ minutes. That was basically the first quarter. Each team had three more possessions in the first half, and the Bills had it for a minute longer than the Jets overall in that timeframe. Basically, the Bills' D was the entity responsible for them being on the field for so long. The Bills offense was 14th last year in average time per drive too and EIGHTH in TOP overall: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot?date=2016-02-08.

 

Lots of misinformation out there ...

 

Mostly agreed about the shaky call on Gilmore, btw, although the WR did fall as a result of physical contact. Wasn't surprised it was called.

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The TOP in the Jets game has been misinterpreted. Jets had it first for nearly nine minutes; Bills had it next for a little over a minute (and scored); and the Jets had it third for 5+ minutes. That was basically the first quarter. Each team had three more possessions in the first half, and the Bills had it for a minute longer than the Jets overall in that timeframe. Basically, the Bills' D was the entity responsible for them being on the field for so long. The Bills offense was 14th last year in average time per drive too and EIGHTH in TOP overall: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot?date=2016-02-08.

 

 

 

My contention that a feast (long bomb) or famine (3-and-out) offense produces a dismal TOP isn't specific to the last Jets game -- it applies to any game going forward, and it should be obvious why. Unfortunately, this is a different year and right now we are 31st in the league, and soon to be last after Chicago plays tonight. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot?date=2016-09-19

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I don't know what he meant, only what he said. I am not suggesting that the offense was efficient, or that Taylor does not need to improve his performance, but I cannot understand why two long touchdowns are not a good thing. That's two more than most QBs had this week. Whoopee indeed.

They aren't bad, and nobody suggested otherwise. The point is they were misleading as they padded his stat line (whoopee!) but were in no way an indicator of how he played.

 

I don't know where the stat is but I heard that the plays were being called in with around ten seconds left on the play clock. If your driving a car and only looking ten seconds down the road, you might wind up in a train wreck too. Let's see if the new OC can get the play called in a timely manor so TT has time to read the defense. He's had no time to check down or adjust protection. Let's hope for a better showing Sunday!!

 

Go Bills!

This is a very important issue as the more time TT has to survey things pre-snap, the better. I'm not convinced this is always the case though. Most of the time, he doesn't take the time to look, anyway.

 

 

With the SS (Pryor #25) pressing and the FS (Gilchrist #21) that high Clay is the hot. Their rookie LB (Lee #50) blew his coverage assignment and then fell down. After the play was over Gilchrist immediately pointed at the center of the field to indicate that they just dodged a huge bullet. This is not considered a difficult read for the QB to make.

 

I meant exactly what I said -- red zone. There's nothing wrong with two long touchdowns, but if that's the only way you can score and the rest of the time you are going 3-and-out, your defense is going to be on the field for 40 minutes. And that's exactly what's happening.

Absolutely. I thought Gilchrist's post play actions said a lot. He was VERY quick to vacate his deep middle assignment when Lee fell down, that's for sure. And there was NOBODY between Woods and the EZ when that happened. I would have loved to have seen the play go to Clay which may have set up Woods later on. Oh well.

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Yeah, and a good chunk of that was enabled by a phantom defensive hold that had zero impact on the play.

 

Just saying.

Anyone with All-22 see that play better? They didn't really show any good angles and from what I saw it was a slip and not DPI on us. Dude looked like he just fell down and then was smart to just blame SG24.

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Anyone with All-22 see that play better? They didn't really show any good angles and from what I saw it was a slip and not DPI on us. Dude looked like he just fell down and then was smart to just blame SG24.

I've been noticing more and more that we don't get replays of bad penalty calls like we used to. I think the NFL has put the kibosh on that. We are quick to see plenty of replays of good penalty calls, though. Simms seemed certain that Gilmore never touched him, anyway.

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