Dr.Sack Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 The reality is eventually a QB has to win games with his arm. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 0-5 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Tom Brady is 119-38. Jim Kelly went 40-44. For the record EJ Manuel is 1-8 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 his record would be better if a certain somebody didn't feel insecure around Jim Schwartz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) Tom Brady throws more than 30 times a game nearly every game. He is a good QB, I am not sure the correlation translates to Tyrod not being a good QB. Just that Brady is a very good qb. You are essentially pitting a hall of fame QB's record against a QB that no one is comparing to him. There are many QB's in this league that aren't Tom Brady, that doesn't mean their teams are in a bad situation. The 0-5 is a bad comparison. That includes: a Patriots (1) game where Brady threw 59 times to annihilate us a Chiefs game where Tyrod threw for almost 300 yards 3 tds and no ints, a Giants game with no Watkins, or McCoy, a Patriots (2) game where he could've done better. a Eagles game where he could've done better Edited July 30, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 The reality is eventually a QB has to win games with his arm. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 0-5 when attempting over 30 passes in game. If he is still 0 for in that stat come this time next year I may start to worry. For now with 14 games as a starter under his belt I am not too concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) I think you have to bear in mind that Greg Roman doesn't set up to pass heavily. His 4 years in San Francisco, he averaged 447 pass attempts a season (27.9 per game). Last year we averaged 29 attempts per game. Points against 49er defenses were: 229 (2011), 273 (2012), 272 (2013), 340 (2014). In 2015, the Bills conceded 359 points. Guess which years those teams went 8-8. This brand of football is a team effort. The defense has to be stingy and the offense has to control the ball, control the clock. It's not perfect, it's probably not what most of us want to see but it is what it is. If we're passing 30 times a game, it's likely that we've not seen the defensive improvement we hope is coming. Edited July 30, 2016 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Yea but he's quietly spectacular vs Kellen Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 He also ran for the 2nd most yards of any starting QB behind Cam Newton which cannot be dismissed. Bottom line is he finished 8-6 for his first year, and if you compare to any other first year QB's, that is pretty good. You can cherry pick stats because TT had a better QB rating than Aaron Rodgers his first year. Peyton Manning was 3-13 his first year. It's basically a wait and see right now. If he progresses due to having a whole off season, knows the playbook, had a good OTA workouts, is the starter for camp and gets all the reps in TC, then the expectations are higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I think you have to bear in mind that Greg Roman doesn't set up to pass heavily. His 4 years in San Francisco, he averaged 447 pass attempts a season (27.9 per game). Last year we averaged 29 attempts per game. Points against 49er defenses were: 229 (2011), 273 (2012), 272 (2013), 340 (2014). In 2015, the Bills conceded 359 points. Guess which years those teams went 8-8. This brand of football is a team effort. The defense has to be stingy and the offense has to control the ball, control the clock. It's not perfect, it's probably not what most of us want to see but it is what it is. If we're passing 30 times a game, it's likely that we've not seen the defensive improvement we hope is coming. astute observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Stats don't lie, EJ is better than Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 What's a sample size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 What's a sample size? LOL was just going to post the same thing. And what difference does the offensive strategy make, or the game situation? What was Brady's record when throwing more than 30 times during his first season as a starter? So much unsaid in the OP, yet these are "troubling" stats for the Bills. Geesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 The reality is eventually a QB has to win games with his arm. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 0-5 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Tom Brady is 119-38. Jim Kelly went 40-44. For the record EJ Manuel is 1-8 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Did it ever occur to you that the Bills threw more because they were behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) The reality is eventually a QB has to win games with his arm. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 0-5 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Tom Brady is 119-38. Jim Kelly went 40-44. For the record EJ Manuel is 1-8 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. EJ's QB rating was 69.6 and Tyrod's was 86.1 when throwing over 30 passes. Teams EJ faced had a combined record of 71-73, while teams Tyrod faced had a combined record of 48-32. Tyrod lost 4 of those games by 1 score. It wasnt troubling at all. Tyrod was not a complete disaster in these games like EJ. Yes he has to learn to win close games, and has tp beat the better teams to be considered a true franchise QB, but your post is garbage. Edited July 30, 2016 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Thankful practice starts today. Let's hope Taylor has a clean healthy camp. He is the best option the Bills have at QB. P.S those stats from the OP don't begin to tell ANY story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 The reality is eventually a QB has to win games with his arm. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 0-5 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Tom Brady is 119-38. Jim Kelly went 40-44. For the record EJ Manuel is 1-8 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Oh my god I can't figure out why our first year starting QB doesn't have stats that are as good as a 16 year *HOF*QB*. OH wait..... it's all good, I just looked it up Peyton Manning went 1-11 his first year when attempting over 30 passes and he went on to throw for almost 41 miles worth of yardage in his career.. News flash first year starting QB struggles when asked to put the team on his back and throw a lot. No kiddin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 If the Patriots are throwing thirty times a game, that's their normal gameplan. If we're throwing it thirty times a game, we've been taken out of our normal offense. Huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Analyst Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 So I guess that means that they should throw less than 30 times a game. Taylor 8-1 Brady 75- 22 Seems like we have a future hall of farmer if we use Brady as a benchmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Tyrod Taylor has yet to play a lights out game throwing the football, and that's something I hope to see before his current contract expires. You can't win in the NFL without having a QB being able to put up dominant performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) Tyrod Taylor has yet to play a lights out game throwing the football, and that's something I hope to see before his current contract expires. You can't win in the NFL without having a QB being able to put up dominant performances. I personally dont need that big 300+yard 3 TD game to be sold on him. He is a different QB. People would be surprised how close his total yards per game and TD total is to everyone's next great QB Derek Carr, not to mention his winning % is better as well. Edited July 30, 2016 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Tyrod Taylor has yet to play a lights out game throwing the football, and that's something I hope to see before his current contract expires. You can't win in the NFL without having a QB being able to put up dominant performances. Tyrod is never going to be a pure passer and Tom Brady is never going to rush for substantial gains each week like Taylor does. Take note of our record when passing the ball less than 30 times. That's not just a coincidence, Roman wants to run and limit pass attempts while controlling the game. That's when he is comfortable with and it seems to fit Taylor's style. It's not as fun as some of the passing offenses, I'd enjoy it more if we had a bigger primary running back and scrapped the trick plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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