Big Ben wants Steelers to go for 2 after every TD

[YoloinOhio]

Good strategy?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/6/14/11936346/ben-roethlisberger-steelers-two-point-conversion

[Beerball]

I'd prefer the Bills go this route. Takes one less decision off of the staff on game day. (obvious "end of game" decisions would still need to be in play)

[Blokestradamus]

I think the Bills could be one of the better teams at this strategy. Tyrod is extremely mobile, it'll be an 11-on-11 game in a shortened area.

 

Greg Roman runs multiple concepts so it's hard for teams to predict. You only need to operate at 50% success rate for the year for it to be viable, anything above that is a net point gain.

[YoloinOhio]

I agree that the Bills are kind of built for this. Tyrod is very mobile. If you want to limit his running/hits, you have two huge QBs behind him who are decently mobile you could sub in. Along with a bunch of good RBs, one of which is giant.

Edited June 15, 2016 by YoloinOhio

[Blokestradamus]

I agree that the Bills are kind of built for this. Tyrod is very mobile. If you want to limit his running/hits, you have two huge QBs behind him who are decently mobile you could sub in. Along with a bunch of good RBs, one of which is giant.

 

One thing that gives me pause for thought is, outside of Sammy, how many receivers on the roster are reliable in contested catch situations? Woods is a scrappy bastard that'll go over the middle. Listenbee/Goodwin are more vertical guys. The rest aren't even trustworthy while wide open at this point.

 

Part of why I've wanted a Funchess/Wilson type of WR. Dominant RZ weapon, strong 'my ball' ethic.

[YoloinOhio]

 

One thing that gives me pause for thought is, outside of Sammy, how many receivers on the roster are reliable in contested catch situations? Woods is a scrappy bastard that'll go over the middle. Listenbee/Goodwin are more vertical guys. The rest aren't even trustworthy while wide open at this point.

 

Part of why I've wanted a Funchess/Wilson type of WR. Dominant RZ weapon, strong 'my ball' ethic.

Woods has a few successful 2-point conversions under his belt if I recall. I'm praying Dez Lewis develops because of his size. Edited June 15, 2016 by YoloinOhio

[CommonCents]

The team is built for it, the coaching staff is not. They are already under the microscope if they lose a couple games due to 2 point conversions that might be the breaking point.

Anything over 50 percent is a plus, that's a really simplistic take. The percentages are going to be better against bad teams. If you can get over a 50 percent conversion each and every game sure go for it. You will be in tight games vs. good teams and naturally they will be more prepared.

 

5 touchdowns vs. Miami you convert four 2 point conversions. It raises your success rate but doesn't affect the game, it's a blow out.

 

3 touchdowns vs Pats. You only convert once and lose in a close game.

 

Your percentage is above 50 but it's hurting you.

[Beerball]

The team is built for it, the coaching staff is not.

Playing not to lose is a recipe for losing.

[ALF]

Would be a good idea to do all this preseason at least, just not with Tyrod running.

[NoSaint]

I agree that the Bills are kind of built for this. Tyrod is very mobile. If you want to limit his running/hits, you have two huge QBs behind him who are decently mobile you could sub in. Along with a bunch of good RBs, one of which is giant.

i am not a fan of subbing in a backup qb on a play that is guaranteed to effect the final score.

[Bakin]

i am not a fan of subbing in a backup qb on a play that is guaranteed to effect the final score.

This is the job EJ was built for.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

i am not a fan of subbing in a backup qb on a play that is guaranteed to effect the final score.

Good point. After last years Jacksonville game I don't really want EJ on the field under any circumstances.

[Kirby Jackson]

I dug into the numbers a little bit in the analytics thread a few days ago. It may be more appropriate here: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/186894-bills-analytics-dept-focuses-mostly-on-ticket-pricing/?p=3965998

[John from Riverside]

I think we should just use the dallas carter philoph from Friday Night Lights

 

Go for it on every 4th down

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

The team is built for it, the coaching staff is not. They are already under the microscope if they lose a couple games due to 2 point conversions that might be the breaking point.

Anything over 50 percent is a plus, that's a really simplistic take. The percentages are going to be better against bad teams. If you can get over a 50 percent conversion each and every game sure go for it. You will be in tight games vs. good teams and naturally they will be more prepared.

 

5 touchdowns vs. Miami you convert four 2 point conversions. It raises your success rate but doesn't affect the game, it's a blow out.

 

3 touchdowns vs Pats. You only convert once and lose in a close game.

 

Your percentage is above 50 but it's hurting you.

I had a similar thought that some defenses are probably stronger/ more prepared to defeat it and some aren't.

 

Could this usher Ina new era of 2 pt specialist players?

[jr1]

[26CornerBlitz]

McCarthy: 'Zero issue' with Packers going for 2 points after TDs

[Acantha]

I think the Bills could be one of the better teams at this strategy. Tyrod is extremely mobile, it'll be an 11-on-11 game in a shortened area.

 

Greg Roman runs multiple concepts so it's hard for teams to predict. You only need to operate at 50% success rate for the year for it to be viable, anything above that is a net point gain.

For each individual game, not the year. You could get all of your 2 point conversions in games that don't end up mattering (blowout loss or win) and miss them all in close games where that is the difference between a win and a loss. 50% for the year, but your record is worse. Obviously that's an extreme example.

 

Lose ONE game because you went for a two point conversion that you didn't have to, and this whole argument goes away. In a 16 game season where every win matters, you just can't take the chance.

[Mr. WEO]

I think Big Ben meant 2 drunken BJs in the ladies' toilet after every TD..

[BuffalothruMyVeins]

It is an interesting idea, but I think to bring in Cardale or EJ on the field, that somewhat tips our hand that it is more likely to be a running play, as we don't have our best passer on the field, and are bringing on a more (supposedly) durable player to execute a zone read run play, where if they run it and get hit hard, it's not your starting qb being open to injury.

And if we do it all preseason long, that doesn't help too much in that either we give away some of our best short-yardage plays for other teams to have on tape, or we run vanilla 2 point attempts, and therefore not really learn anything about our ability to convert, because those won't even be the plays we attempt during the actual season.