Wayne Cubed Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Yes, it is pathetic. Again, there was no Watkins or Clay, our top receivers. McCoy fumbled inside the 5. No one mentions that. He threw a td to tie the game. And as good as I think Roman is, that 4th down playcall was awful. He rolled out a right handed qb to the left side. He overcame one of the worst stretches in NFL history to help us tie the game. That took some guts. Huh? He never tied the game, what are you on about? The closest EJ got the score to was Bills 24 Jags 27. The defense scored the next TD and EJ did nothing with 2:16 left in the game. Edited June 15, 2016 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Huh? He never tied the game, what are you on about? The closet Ej got the score was Bills 24 Jags 27. The defense scored the next TD and EJ did nothing with 2:16 left in the game. #guts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Dispite being down so much in that game, we had a chance to win at the end. Some guys would have just let that get away, EJ kept fighting. I dont want him starting often, but he make Tyler Thigpen look like a pop warner QB We could do far worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Dispite being down so much in that game, we had a chance to win at the end. Some guys would have just let that get away, EJ kept fighting. I dont want him starting often, but he make Tyler Thigpen look like a pop warner QB We could do far worse Can't get worse then 0 wins... Edited June 15, 2016 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Huh? He never tied the game, what are you on about? The closest EJ got the score to was Bills 24 Jags 27. The defense scored the next TD and EJ did nothing with 2:16 left in the game. Correct. But I'm sure McCoy fumbling inside the 5 couldn't have led to a FG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter how EJ was developed. If the coaches do a bad job, get rid of them. If the QB is bad as a result, get rid of him too. Any real GM doesn't keep a player on the team just because he feels sorry for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Right, we have kept him because it makes financial sense to do so. Next year? Maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter how EJ was developed. If the coaches do a bad job, get rid of them. If the QB is bad as a result, get rid of him too. Any real GM doesn't keep a player on the team just because he feels sorry for him. Do you think that's what Whaley is doing? I don't see any evidence of that. EJ's on the roster because he is still developing and, at worst, is an above-average backup for Tyrod. That's it. They didn't pick up his option, and unless he shows some significant improvement this season he probably won't be a Bill in 2017 if he is still looking for a starting gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 All EJ had to do to win the Jags game was to only throw 2 pick sixes. He couldn't manage that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter how EJ was developed. If the coaches do a bad job, get rid of them. If the QB is bad as a result, get rid of him too. Any real GM doesn't keep a player on the team just because he feels sorry for him. Who feels sorry for him? EJ is a millionaire with a dream job at the top 2% of the entire profession. EJ is on the roster because hes a decent to good backup and his contract is already fully guaranteed. He isn't a locker room cancer and is generally well liked by his teammates. I'm not sure they could find a better one at this point in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Hey guys. This was last SUNDAY's topic. [/thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Huh? He never tied the game, what are you on about? The closest EJ got the score to was Bills 24 Jags 27. The defense scored the next TD and EJ did nothing with 2:16 left in the game. To be fair, and also to be clear, I am super critical of Manuel in this game but that last series went like this: Manuel throws for 6 yards makes it 2/4 Manuel scrambles for 6 yards makes it 1/10 Manuel throws for 9 yards makes it 2/1 McCoy runs for no gain makes it 3/1 Manuel QB Sneak -1 yards makes it 4/2 Manuel throws incomplete turnover on downs. Manuel had a nice rally there, and I think McCoy should have really gotten that first down to keep the momentum going. Yes Manuel had 2 subsequent attempts to keep it going, but it was 1 damn yard McCoy! 1 yard. Edited June 15, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Do you think that's what Whaley is doing? I don't see any evidence of that. EJ's on the roster because he is still developing and, at worst, is an above-average backup for Tyrod. That's it. They didn't pick up his option, and unless he shows some significant improvement this season he probably won't be a Bill in 2017 if he is still looking for a starting gig. Yeah, that's bad choice of wording on my part. My point is that if an undesirable result occurs, you should correct all factors that caused it to happen, cut your losses early, and just move on, what's done is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 The only reason EJ is still on the team is his 2016 money is fully guaranteed in a year where we have minimal cap space and so paying him not to be here and someone else to be here is not really an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) In 1986 I watched QB Phil Simms get sacked 7 times and he threw 4 interceptions as the NY Giants lost that game to Seattle 12-17. Guess what? That game was in week seven and the Giants would go on to a 14-2 season as they also won the super bowl that year and Simms was the MVP. Sometimes QB's just have bad games and shi, err stuff happens with that oblong spheroid. I'm still rooting for EJ because he is still a Buffalo Bill. He is a good guy who works hard and does his best. He is also Bruce Smiths godson. http://www.profootballhof.com/videos/bruce-smith-god-son/ In that game against the Jags after screwing up so bad in the first half, he could have kept screwing up and kept throwing INT's and at 27 to 3 he could have easily just given up. That game ended up being an exciting close game at the end I came away from that game somewhat proud that EJ was able to lead a comeback that could've won the game. He never gave up and kept fighting. I'm still hoping that Roman will coach him up to be a decent player. Edited June 15, 2016 by Nihilarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoverbills Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Huh? He never tied the game, what are you on about? The closest EJ got the score to was Bills 24 Jags 27. The defense scored the next TD and EJ did nothing with 2:16 left in the game. Kind of like the NE game except he threw and interception at the end of game. Oh wait that is the other guy. That is o.k its his first year starting. E.J and Taylor had same kind of games . One we make a bigger deal about than the other. Both have 16 starts in the NFL. One has been in the NFL two more years than the other. Yes E.J lost his two games, but Taylor was 1 and 4 after those two games. Isn't that a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Either just above or just below Tyrod Taylor, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Yeah, Mallett with his 66.2 passer rating, career 7 tds to 9 ints, and being a giant idiot is far superior to EJ. I have small issues with your list but overall, I think it is pretty fair. I will say the love for Mettenberger by some on this board absolutely blows my mind. There's no question in my mind EJ is better than him. He wasn't even that great in college and he had a NFL receiving core. But overall, a very fair list. You don't get it. EJ is the only QB who turns the ball over. Tony Romo didn't have a 5 int game against us (oh he did and his team won). Tom Brady hasn't had multiple 4 int games (oh wait). How many 3+ int games has Farve and both Mannings had? It happens. That 5 minute stretch was completely awful. But it's kinda pathetic he gets no credit for bringing us back. How many guys would even have the heart to battle through that 5 minute stretch with top flight superstar receivers like Woods, Hogan, Gragg, and Easley. He is an above average backup QB. Wow .. Brady, Mannng, Farve and EJ? Seriously? 1) I like EJ, nice guy, I would love him to be a success but he is AWFUL, He did this against Jacksonville for goodness sake. The Jacksonville Jaguars... think about that. You know what I liked Johnny Manziel too, I was wrong, there its not too hard is it? He is a bad guy who will likely not turn himself around, EJ is not an NFL caliber QB and never ever will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Wow .. Brady, Mannng, Farve and EJ? Seriously? 1) I like EJ, nice guy, I would love him to be a success but he is AWFUL, He did this against Jacksonville for goodness sake. The Jacksonville Jaguars... think about that. You know what I liked Johnny Manziel too, I was wrong, there its not too hard is it? He is a bad guy who will likely not turn himself around, EJ is not an NFL caliber QB and never ever will be. 1) The Brady point was that all QBs have bad games. It's how they bounce back. EJ did bounce back in that game. 2) He is in the NFL so I guess that makes him a NFL Qb. If you think he isn't a NFL, you do not follow the rest of the NFL. 3) Manziel is a midget and an alcoholic. 4) EJ, who is not a NFL QB, averaged more passing yards and points/ start (only playing with Watkins for a half in 2 games) than Taylor. Taylor is the starter and EJ is the backup. Not really that deep. But as of right now, Taylor is a lot closer to EJ than he is to Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 You may be right but you can't argue that his development sucked. I don't think he has ever played more than 4 games consecutive. For a young QB, that is awful. Blake Bortles was worse than EJ as a rookie but the Jags never pulled him or messed with his head. And I think he is overthinks things. He has a great arm but he aims too much (JP had the same problem). Sometimes, you need to just rip it as a QB. But he is our backup QB and will be gone next year. I still blame Marrone for his development. IT was about as awful as you can get. 2013: 5 games in a row twice (week 1-5, 10-14) 2014: 4 games in a row and pulled for Orton (week 1-4) 2015: 2 games as sub (week 6-7) Plus some spot duty Can't get worse then 0 wins... Teams win or lose not players; only jerks think players lose games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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