26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 @RyanTalbotBills NFL's Chad Reuter has #Bills selecting Cam Robinson and Chad Kelly in six-round mock draft http://bit.ly/2pBJlUQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Bucky Brooks was on John Murphy's WGR show talking about the draft. This is about an eleven minute segment. Interesting stuff. He concluded that he felt the best player in the draft was LSU's safety. http://www.wgr550.com/media/audio-channel/04-14-nfl-analyst-bucky-brooks-john-murphy-showmp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 The NFL and the College game are getting closer, not farther apart. Teams such as the Patriots, Chiefs, and Broncos use Air Raid concepts to get the ball out quicker. Fewer and fewer colleges run anything but spread offenses. I honestly think the issue is the college defenses more than the offenses. I was talking to a coach in college and he said it's just hard to teach them combo man/zone coverages. So I think it's a big step up for all the college QB's, regardless of system. Team are using spread concepts for sure but again the College spread don't teach these kids to go through progressions and read defenses and are woefully unprepared to play in the NFL. look at what Jet QB Bryce Petty said in that he didn't even know what the Mike was. NFL teams can't simplify their offenses because they would get crushed by the defenses. It's like the triple option, it can work in college but not in the pros because the players are too good and smart for it. Uh oh, has Wentz been Buffalo Barbarian'd? your late, did you miss this last year ? @RyanTalbotBills NFL's Chad Reuter has #Bills selecting Cam Robinson and Chad Kelly in six-round mock draft http://bit.ly/2pBJlUQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 We're in agreement here. The issue many of us have is that the Bills assessment of value on QB's has been wrong year after year. So, if the bills like a qb, don't take it and if they hate a prospect they should take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Sal & Schopp did a mock yesterday using some website. Had the Bills trading down twice and ended up with... TE O.J. Howard QB P. Mahomes WR Z. Jones FS B. Baker LOL...Fat chance of the draft falling that way even if the Bills did trade down twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Sal & Schopp did a mock yesterday using some website. Had the Bills trading down twice and ended up with... TE O.J. Howard QB P. Mahomes WR Z. Jones FS B. Baker LOL...Fat chance of the draft falling that way even if the Bills did trade down twice. OMG that's impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 OMG that's impossible. Yeah, the people on WGR don't know anything. It's really kind of crazy, in an NFL market, that the sports talk people could know so little about football. It's really different in the south. All of the people on sports talk radio played in high school, college and/or the NFL. Buffalo used to have a very educated fan base and it has been a 180 (this place excluded). Obviously not winning has impacted it but when the people relaying the message don't really understand it, everyone is set back. No one is going to learn football listening to Mike Schopp. He just doesn't know the game and the league. He has a platform but a 4th grade education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Yeah, the people on WGR don't know anything. It's really kind of crazy, in an NFL market, that the sports talk people could know so little about football. It's really different in the south. All of the people on sports talk radio played in high school, college and/or the NFL. Buffalo used to have a very educated fan base and it has been a 180 (this place excluded). Obviously not winning has impacted it but when the people relaying the message don't really understand it, everyone is set back. No one is going to learn football listening to Mike Schopp. He just doesn't know the game and the league. He has a platform but a 4th grade education. I must admit, growing up in WNY I was aware of CFB to the extent that they announced "and Bucknell triumphed over Cornell by 3" on a late Saturday CFB scoreboard announcement. Life near me in Georgia now is a whole new game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 @SalSports I've divided up general consensus top 40 players of the draft into how likely they'll be available when Bills select https://t.co/0hLd90IEkH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I usually can't wait for the draft to get here now I can't wait for it to be over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 @buffalobills We're getting into 2017 #NFLDraft crunch time. And the predictions for our first-round pick are all over the map: http://bufbills.co/jJc7ve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 You honestly cannot compare TT to Carson Wentz. The Eagles are pleased as punch with Wentz. The Bills are looking to replace TT. Wentz was asked to carry the Eagles offense. TT was hidden behind an elite running game and not asked to do the same things. Wentz was a first year rookie coming from Division 2 football. TT was in his 6th year in the NFL. The point of my post was we do not know if Wentz is a franchise guy and someone that the trade was worth. Yet. He may very well develop into a franchise guy but I don't see how anyone can say it is a guarantee. I do think it strange though that you say Wentz was asked to carry the Eagles offense and that the Eagles are "pleased as punch" with a guy who went for 11 tds and 14 ints over his last 13 games. If he was asked to carry the offense he didn't do a very good job. I think back to Edward's Arm who use to post non stop about ypa being the best measuring statistic for projecting a qb. Wentz had a ypa of 6.23 which was good for 29th in the league ahead of only Brock Osweiler. To my original point, Wentz may develop but he has a LONG way to go before that trade was a win for the Eagles. Wentz got off to a hot start last year and the narrative was set at that point. His performance after week 4 was not very good. I never felt like he was a guy you should trade up for (nor did I for Goff) but if I was Cleveland I would absolutely have taken him at #2. Nor do I feel that you should trade up for any of this year's QBs, but I really don't see this big vaccuum between Goff and Wentz as propsects and Watson and Trubisky - indeed I have Watson graded higher. I suppose I just think the 2016 pair were a little overrated (Mayock said at one point he thought they were better than Winston and Mariota - crazy talk) and that this year's class has been a little underrated by many out there. Both classes lacked (in my opinion) true top 10 talent at the QB position but both had guys who if I didn't have one I would be happy to take in the top 10 if I was drafting there. Maybe the 2018 class really is the 2004 class reincarnated (I haven't watched enough to know) but unless the Bills plan to be bad, and it is clear to me that they don't, then they should not let that prevent them from drafting a Quarterback who they feel could be a franchise guy at #10 this year. The bolded is very true. Tyrod gets killed for his lack of production as a second year starter but across the board put up better numbers than Wentz. Wentz "was asked to carry the Eagles" and put up 245.75 ypg. Tyrod was hidden and put up 240.2 ypg. Wentz struggled mightily from week 5 on. It may be growing pains but he certainly didn't come in and set the league on fire. I struggle with what to do at 10. A QB if they work out would definitely be the best course of action but it would also be giving up on this year. I'm not sold on a qb this year but not completely against it. I like Watson and Mahomes the best of the top 4 and dislike Trubisky and Kizer. I like that the Bills are doing their homework on the class as they should every year. It is a welcome change. This is the first year I don't really have a guy I like but a bunch of guys I'd be okay with. Last year I wanted Lawson but didn't think he would last so I was ecstatic. The only other year the Bills grabbed my guy was Dareus. I'm going wait and see this year and just gonna trust that the team has done its homework and picked a guy who can be a stud in the league qb or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Mccaffrey refusing all private workouts, team drafting in teens has apparently "guaranteed" they will draft him if available http://draftanalyst.com/da-draft-buzz-april-17-whats-behind-mccaffreys-decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Mccaffrey refusing all private workouts, team drafting in teens has apparently "guaranteed" they will draft him if available http://draftanalyst.com/da-draft-buzz-april-17-whats-behind-mccaffreys-decision Colts or Redskins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Colts or Redskins?That feels like something the Redskins would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) That feels like something the Redskins would do.did Washington hire a GM yet? Who is making the calls there, Bruce Allen? As an aside, I wonder if there is a Stanford connection with Luck and Mccaffrey and he has some input in Indy on who they draft. Different FO of course now, but Peyton manning used to have a lot of input on who they drafted on offense. Edited April 17, 2017 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) The point of my post was we do not know if Wentz is a franchise guy and someone that the trade was worth. Yet. He may very well develop into a franchise guy but I don't see how anyone can say it is a guarantee. I do think it strange though that you say Wentz was asked to carry the Eagles offense and that the Eagles are "pleased as punch" with a guy who went for 11 tds and 14 ints over his last 13 games. If he was asked to carry the offense he didn't do a very good job. I think back to Edward's Arm who use to post non stop about ypa being the best measuring statistic for projecting a qb. Wentz had a ypa of 6.23 which was good for 29th in the league ahead of only Brock Osweiler. To my original point, Wentz may develop but he has a LONG way to go before that trade was a win for the Eagles. The bolded is very true. Tyrod gets killed for his lack of production as a second year starter but across the board put up better numbers than Wentz. Wentz "was asked to carry the Eagles" and put up 245.75 ypg. Tyrod was hidden and put up 240.2 ypg. Wentz struggled mightily from week 5 on. It may be growing pains but he certainly didn't come in and set the league on fire. I struggle with what to do at 10. A QB if they work out would definitely be the best course of action but it would also be giving up on this year. I'm not sold on a qb this year but not completely against it. I like Watson and Mahomes the best of the top 4 and dislike Trubisky and Kizer. I like that the Bills are doing their homework on the class as they should every year. It is a welcome change. This is the first year I don't really have a guy I like but a bunch of guys I'd be okay with. Last year I wanted Lawson but didn't think he would last so I was ecstatic. The only other year the Bills grabbed my guy was Dareus. I'm going wait and see this year and just gonna trust that the team has done its homework and picked a guy who can be a stud in the league qb or otherwise. I realize that you are a Bills fan (I am too) but I am trying to demonstrate how the league views these players. Tyrod Taylor, if he was as good as you think he is, could have refused to take a paycut and went to free agency. Free agency is desired by NFL players who are in high demand. Tyrod and his agent took a paycut instead. As for Wentz, he was asked to throw the ball a lot. Top 5 in the NFL where Tyrod was in the bottom of the NFL for passing attempts. Two completely different situations. One is asked to carry the team and the other only throws primarily on favorable down and distance situations. That is the problem with citing the stats that you do. They miss the bigger picture. Finally, you say Wentz is not a sure thing. So what? He has a chance to be a franchise QB. The Eagles feel good about it. Where is Buffalo? Nowhere. Edited April 17, 2017 by jeffismagic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Colts or Redskins? Colts certainly have ties to Stanford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Colts certainly have ties to Stanford. I think it's most likely to be one of those 2 teams, but then again, I don't think he'll be there at either 15 or 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I realize that you are a Bills fan (I am too) but I am trying to demonstrate how the league views these players. Tyrod Taylor, if he was as good as you think he is, could have refused to take a paycut and went to free agency. Free agency is desired by NFL players who are in high demand. Tyrod and his agent took a paycut instead. As for Wentz, he was asked to throw the ball a lot. Top 5 in the NFL where Tyrod was in the bottom of the NFL for passing attempts. Two completely different situations. One is asked to carry the team and the other only throws primarily on favorable down and distance situations. That is the problem with citing the stats that you do. They miss the bigger picture. Finally, you say Wentz is not a sure thing. So what? He has a chance to be a franchise QB. The Eagles feel good about it. Where is Buffalo? Nowhere. I have TT pegged about 20th best qb I just happen to rank Wentz below that for now. The league doesn't know whether Wentz can or can't do it yet. I was responding to a post originally that stated the Eagles made a trade and mortgaged their future and it was worth it because now they have their guy. That is why I keep repeating he isn't a sure thing. Simply because he went #2 and a team spent a ton to get him doesn't mean it is the right move or that it will work. A perfect example of this is RG3 in Washington (who actually had a much better rookie year than Wentz). As for the pay cut there is a larger sample size and TT isn't on a rookie contract. I wonder how they would be viewed if the money was the same. Think about this, Wentz would have to improve just to put up the numbers TT already has. I love what the Eagles did this offseason though by getting him weapons. Alshon was a fantastic pick up. They made an investment and now they are doubling down on it. That is smart. The Bills made an investment and as of yet have done nothing to help him. That is frustrating to me and part of what makes me second guess a qb at 10. I've said it before but it bears repeating. You have made up your mind that TT doesn't have it. I haven't yet and I would like to see him given a punchers chance with some talent at the WR position. On an aside though... I have to go back to the attempts and being asked to carry the team. It is just wrong imo. On a per game basis Wentz was indeed 6th in the league in attempts per game and TT was 32nd. That sounds like a huge difference. In reality it was 8.8 attempts per game. 37.9 to 29.1. Looking at it that way it doesn't really seem like that narrative holds up that way either. Those 8 attempts led to an average of 34.9 more yards per game. Again not a gigantic difference. Especially when that boils down to 4.4 yards per throw. This was never meant to be a TT vs. Wentz derailment so we don't have to continue down this path. I just find it strange that by almost measurement TT was better than Wentz last year and Wentz is better? To me that is because he doesn't play for the Bills and he was drafted 2nd overall. Not because of his actual performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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