Mr. WEO Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 @ByTimGraham I've interviewed 15 Las Vegans who are plugged in. Every last one of them says Raiders to Las Vegas is "a done deal." Story'll post tonight. What about Las Carnivores? Oh, cut it out, WEO. We all know what he was saying, and so do you. Vegas was literally founded as a playground for adults. There are more bars, clubs, shows, restaurants, and whores per capita than any other city in the country, if not the world. Personally, I disagree with you on one account: I think Vegas is fun for two days, and on the third day you want to GTFO. The parking lot at the Ralph has to be a close second.. True..... the third day take a 10 gallon enema, a steam, a hot shower and get out of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud37 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 What about Las Carnivores? The parking lot at the Ralph has to be a close second.. True..... the third day take a 10 gallon enema, a steam, a hot shower and get out of there. I'm glad you came around to the fact that Vegas can offer a more unique experience than any other city can offer. But on a side note, It's not Las Vegas' fault that your lady parts can't handle the Vegas awesomeness for more than a couple days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I can't believe Vegas is getting a hockey team AND a football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I can't believe Vegas is getting a hockey team AND a football team. Look at the expansion fee for hockey($500 million) and relocation fee in football($350 million), that'll turn you into a believer. Plus state of the art arena/stadiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Can there be casino in the stadium. Playing slots and watching the live game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Can there be casino in the stadium. Playing slots and watching the live game? There are none at the new hockey arena. Haven't heard anything about the football stadium, probably too early in the planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Can there be casino in the stadium. Playing slots and watching the live game? Maybe they'll have a slot machine at every seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Oakland makes last-ditch effort to keep Raiders from Vegas In a letter to the NFL, Schaaf shared new, detailed renderings of what the $1.3 billion, 55,000-seat football-only stadium would look like, and assured the league that Oakland would expedite the environmental review and other bureaucratic moves that could bog down the project. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000795188/article/oakland-makes-lastditch-effort-to-keep-raiders-from-vegas Raiders could save that $650M relocation fee . Still think sharing 49er stadium makes the most sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I respectively disagree with "plus all the visitors that flock to Vegas." I don't think people would want to give up a whole day of their Las Vegas trip for an NFL game. Even less so if you can see one at home. Tickets will probably be exorbitant. Like most NFL tickets, you will have buy them months in advance. Much easier to get tickets to a show. Based on your quote, why would all these "visitors" even root for the Raiders when they probably already have a fav team? I don't think Las Vegas and the NFL go together. They wouldn't really even have a true "home" crowd. I agree if we are talking about the general Vegas visitor. But I do think the Raiders in Vegas has the potential to be one of the more sought out road games that fans circle on their calendar as far as making a weekend trip for a game. Maybe not the best thing for a home field advantage but it will sell tickets. Also, as someone who's lived in California all his life, I can say that the Raiders truly are California's team. From Southern California to Northern California. I'd say that probably half of all Raider fans probably live in what would be described as Southern California. Many of them will now actually be closer to the team in terms of driving distance. And I also don't see the bay area fans revolting like the Charger fans have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I agree if we are talking about the general Vegas visitor. But I do think the Raiders in Vegas has the potential to be one of the more sought out road games that fans circle on their calendar as far as making a weekend trip for a game. Maybe not the best thing for a home field advantage but it will sell tickets. Also, as someone who's lived in California all his life, I can say that the Raiders truly are California's team. From Southern California to Northern California. I'd say that probably half of all Raider fans probably live in what would be described as Southern California. Many of them will now actually be closer to the team in terms of driving distance. And I also don't see the bay area fans revolting like the Charger fans have. People seem to ignore the fact that Clark County, where Vegas is, is one the fastest growing counties in the country and has a population over 2 million. You certainly will get Raider fans traveling, but there are plenty of locals to support the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) Oakland makes last-ditch effort to keep Raiders from Vegas In a letter to the NFL, Schaaf shared new, detailed renderings of what the $1.3 billion, 55,000-seat football-only stadium would look like, and assured the league that Oakland would expedite the environmental review and other bureaucratic moves that could bog down the project. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000795188/article/oakland-makes-lastditch-effort-to-keep-raiders-from-vegas Raiders could save that $650M relocation fee . Still think sharing 49er stadium makes the most sense. Too little, too late. No matter what new ideas they come up with in Oakland, Davis is all in on Las Vegas. And yes, sharing the stadium in Santa Clara makes perfect sense. But the egos of the owners of both teams are too big for the state to handle. Edited March 26, 2017 by Mark Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 My prediction is that this will be a disaster on multiple fronts. The Raiders will become just another Vegas show. No loyal fan base. That City will be a huge distraction for young players. Remember the NBA All Star game? I predict an eventual move back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 My prediction is that this will be a disaster on multiple fronts. The Raiders will become just another Vegas show. No loyal fan base. That City will be a huge distraction for young players. Remember the NBA All Star game? I predict an eventual move back again. Why no loyal fanbase? You don't think the 2 million people in the area will support the team. The city will certainly be a fun distraction for the players, but it doesn't mean they won't be good players still. Having a 'no distraction' city like Buffalo hasn't helped the Bills too much over the past 57 years. Apologies to Dave and Busters and Applebees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Why no loyal fanbase? You don't think the 2 million people in the area will support the team. The city will certainly be a fun distraction for the players, but it doesn't mean they won't be good players still. Having a 'no distraction' city like Buffalo hasn't helped the Bills too much over the past 57 years. Apologies to Dave and Busters and Applebees. outside of the utmost loyalty the fans have shown.. so having no "nightlife" in buffalo is the reason for the sh-tty teams? your logic is confusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) Raiders in Vegas will be a huge success. This isn't a sport with 40 something home games. It's just 8 games spread out over 5 months. Vegas already has a ton of relocated Raider fans from their days playing in LA. Plus the following they've gotten since their existence from Vegas residents who had no local team to cheer for during their haydays in the 70s and 80s. But what has Mark Davis licking his chops are the box revenues, which are barely existent in that hole they currently play in Oakland. Vegas is filled with major corporations, most of which own boxes at the new TMobile arena. September to November are huge convention months here. Add all of the casinos who are going to want boxes for their high end gamers coming to town, along with all of the west coast corporations who are going to want to wine and dine their sponsors a mere four hours away from LA. Boxes will be sold out for years, and will be in high demand because there isn't anything else like the NFL product in the Vegas Market. The Raiders are a strong brand here, even while playing in Oakland. To make them local will create an even larger demand. This doesn't include the marketing revenue the raiders will make bring in this market. Even TMobile arena already earns ridiculous ad revenue for the concerts they put on. An NFL product will take that to the next level. Plus being in a city like Las Vegas and the exposure we get there will be a higher demand for ad space vs a city with low tourist appeal such as Buffalo or Green Bay. Also taking into consideration all of the fans that will make the 4 hour drive to Vegas to watch a game, and all of the fans from other cities who will fly to Vegas to see their team vs flying to a city like Buffalo with little or nothing to do besides attend the game. This all means more revenue for the NFL and makes the league more valuable. In essence it adds value to the other 31 owners. That's why I thought the whole lack of funding thing was a joke. Sure Sheldon Adelson is a powerful man and he even had one investor he had a relationship with pull funding for the move. But 32 billionaires didn't all gain their riches through luck, and it only took a handful of them , including Jerry Jones, to flip through their Rolodex and call a few of their "billionaire" contacts and get the financing done. When a billionaire wants something that involves raising money, 9 times out of ten they get it. When 32 billionaires want it, consider it a done deal. Mark Davis knows that moving his team to Vegas will make his team one of the most valuable in the league in a matter of years, on the level of the Cowboys in regards to box seat and marketing revenue. It's a no brained for Davis, and the additional revenue that having a team in Vegas will bring to the entire league along with added value is why all 32 owners are all expressing their support for this. I've lived in Vegas for 25 years. This isn't some expansion CFL franchise playing the Winnipeg Blue Bombers on Thursday night or some rinky dink arena league or minor league hockey team. This is the NFL. It will sell, which is why all other leagues are now openly conceding that a professional sports team in their league in Vegas is now a viable option. The NHL and NFL got in first. NBA will happen, not if. It's all good. Edited March 26, 2017 by dezertbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 outside of the utmost loyalty the fans have shown.. so having no "nightlife" in buffalo is the reason for the sh-tty teams? your logic is confusing My logic is having Vegas as a distraction argument is not valid, because conversely, having no real distractions in buffalo doesn't necessarily help the players. It really shouldn't be that confusing, maybe I didn't state it clear enough. Raiders in Vegas will be a huge success. This isn't a sport with 40 something home games. It's just 8 games spread out over 5 months. Vegas already has a ton of relocated Raider fans from their days playing in LA. Plus the following they've gotten since their existence from Vegas residents who had no local team to cheer for during their haydays in the 70s and 80s. But what has Mark Davis licking his chops are the box revenues, which are barely existent in that hole they currently play in Oakland. Vegas is filled with major corporations, most of which own boxes at the new TMobile arena. September to November are huge convention months here. Add all of the casinos who are going to want boxes for their high end gamers coming to town, along with all of the west coast corporations who are going to want to wine and dine their sponsors a mere four hours away from LA. Boxes will be sold out for years, and will be in high demand because there isn't anything else like the NFL product in the Vegas Market. The Raiders are a strong brand here, even while playing in Oakland. To make them local will create an even larger demand. This doesn't include the marketing revenue the raiders will make bring in this market. Even TMobile arena already earns ridiculous ad revenue for the concerts they put on. An NFL product will take that to the next level. Plus being in a city like Las Vegas and the exposure we get there will be a higher demand for ad space vs a city with low tourist appeal such as Buffalo or Green Bay. Also taking into consideration all of the fans that will make the 4 hour drive to Vegas to watch a game, and all of the fans from other cities who will fly to Vegas to see their team vs flying to a city like Buffalo with little or nothing to do besides attend the game. This all means more revenue for the NFL and makes the league more valuable. In essence it adds value to the other 31 owners. That's why I thought the whole lack of funding thing was a joke. Sure Sheldon Adelson is a powerful man and he even had one investor he had a relationship with pull funding for the move. But 32 billionaires didn't all gain their riches through luck, and it only took a handful of them , including Jerry Jones, to flip through their Rolodex and call a few of their "billionaire" contacts and get the financing done. When a billionaire wants something that involves raising money, 9 times out of ten they get it. When 32 billionaires want it, consider it a done deal. Mark Davis knows that moving his team to Vegas will make his team one of the most valuable in the league in a matter of years, on the level of the Cowboys in regards to box seat and marketing revenue. It's a no brained for Davis, and the additional revenue that having a team in Vegas will bring to the entire league along with added value is why all 32 owners are all expressing their support for this. I've lived in Vegas for 25 years. This isn't some expansion CFL franchise playing the Winnipeg Blue Bombers on Thursday night or some rinky dink arena league or minor league hockey team. This is the NFL. It will sell, which is why all other leagues are now openly conceding that a professional sports team in their league in Vegas is now a viable option. The NHL and NFL got in first. NBA will happen, not if. It's all good. Couldn't agree more. I'll be traveling from Phoenix for the first Bills game out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 My logic is having Vegas as a distraction argument is not valid, because conversely, having no real distractions in buffalo doesn't necessarily help the players. It really shouldn't be that confusing, maybe I didn't state it clear enough. Couldn't agree more. I'll be traveling from Phoenix for the first Bills game out there. i guess it means what your definition of a distraction is? set aside the obvious nightlife difference..i think gambling is the issue .. JMHO,... i gamble, have no problem with it..but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 My prediction is that this will be a disaster on multiple fronts. The Raiders will become just another Vegas show. No loyal fan base. That City will be a huge distraction for young players. Remember the NBA All Star game? I predict an eventual move back again. The Raiders already have a huge fan base in Southern California, and for much of that population, a drive to Vegas will be little more than their morning commute. The worst that should be likely, vis a vis fan participation, is that the ratio of home vs. visitor fans at games will be the lowest in the league, thereby giving the Raiders the worst home field advantage in the league. As far as the town, itself, being a huge distraction, are you referring to gambling? I would imagine that the Raiders coaching staff would impose strict prohibitions on such activity, and with the exception of the real gambling junkies, it really isn't such a huge draw for those living there-- it gets old fast. As for the nightlife, it is true that there are numerous clubs and such, and lots to do after hours. But, the same can be said for Miami, New York, and Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 i guess it means what your definition of a distraction is? set aside the obvious nightlife difference..i think gambling is the issue .. JMHO,... i gamble, have no problem with it..but who knows. What NFL cities don't have casinos? Buffalo has one and Shady is there all of the time. We have 3 in New Orleans and plenty of other distractions. The Internet ended the stigma of gambling. I'm sitting on my couch watching the tournament now and have bet both of these games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 After listening to Vegas locals talk about the raiders coming to town, they've convinced me this move will fail. This commissioner is showing again why he needs to go. The Chargers will fail in LA and the jags will fail in London too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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