Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Why finding a franchise QB is the key to long-term success: NBC Sports - ProFootballTalk: Ben, Peyton, Brady are 13 of the last 15 AFC Super Bowl quarterbacks http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/17/ben-peyton-brady-are-13-of-the-last-15-afc-super-bowl-quarterbacks/ But we have a QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... And Flacco set records during the Ravens playoff run. But I digress. The model teams want to follow is the Dilfer model. Concentrate of filling holes at safety and using high draft picks on running back, and just assume any QB you plug in will win the Super Bowl. you almost had me there, nice trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I can see the front office/management team in place taking Chad Kelly if he comes out as a sentimental pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I can see the front office/management team in place taking Chad Kelly if he comes out as a sentimental pick Kelly is going back, maybe next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Kelly is going back, maybe next yearGood, he should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 After watching him today, I would take Dak Prescott in the 4th round. Comparing him to the sophomore I kinda fell in love with for being a ballsy battering ram, it's night and day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) After watching him today, I would take Dak Prescott in the 4th round. Comparing him to the sophomore I kinda fell in love with for being a ballsy battering ram, it's night and day. Your college experience was different than mine... Edited January 18, 2016 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Not one NFL team follows that model--including this one (that spent a 1st round pick on a QB in 2013). I have no idea why you think that anyone does Your sarcasm detector is broke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Your sarcasm detector is broke Forgive me...years spent watching too many folks attempt to advance that argument about our hometown team have left their mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 You obviously don't get what I'm saying or you wouldn't think I'm "bitching" about Tyrod Yes, basing a QB evaluation largely upon his record is flawed. Anyone with a decent skill set can win a few games when in the right situation. Fitz, Foles, McCown, are recent examples. I'm looking for long term stability at the position. Coordinators have a season of tape on Taylor now, and you better believe it'll be tougher next year. The point is quite simple: the best way to proffer long term success is to have a franchise QB. It prevents you from having to be excellent everywhere else to have a shot at winning every year. And yes, there are most certainly talented QBs in this draft. Nobody knows if they'll be the answer either, but the wise thing to do is to hedge the bet on Taylor by drafting one. That's true whether you like it or not. 100 percent agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 That's true whether you like it or not. That's an opinion whether you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 That's an opinion whether you like it or not. So you're going to contend that there's some other way to achieve long-term success and stability besides having a franchise QB in today's NFL? You're also going to contend that it's somehow unwise to draft a QB with franchise capability when you aren't sure that you've got one? Great...let's hear the facts that support that. I'm 100% certain that nobody needs the supporting facts for my assertion laid out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) So you're going to contend that there's some other way to achieve long-term success and stability besides having a franchise QB in today's NFL? You're also going to contend that it's somehow unwise to draft a QB with franchise capability when you aren't sure that you've got one? Great...let's hear the facts that support that. I'm 100% certain that nobody needs the supporting facts for my assertion laid out. This is the part of your original statement I was referring to: "And yes, there are most certainly talented QBs in this draft. Nobody knows if they'll be the answer either, but the wise thing to do is to hedge the bet on Taylor by drafting one." The wise thing is to "hedge the bet". That's opinion. And yes, other teams have had success (how long is long term?) without doing this. Of course our good friend Trent Dilfer comes to mind. But also look at the Cardinals. They have been very good with QBs they didn't draft and everyone else thought was washed up. First they went to SB with Kurt Warner and are now in the NFC Championship Game with Carson Palmer, both of whom were resurrected from the scrap heap. The Buccaneers had their drafted guy (Dilfer again), but then went to another scrap heap guy, Brad Johnson to win the Super Bowl. Bucs were quite competitive for many years with Trent and Shawn King under center before Johnson arrived. Saints won a SB with a scrap heap guy, Drew Brees as well. Teams have won the SB with backups (Hostetler anyone?). Kurt Warner. There is more than one way to skin a cat. That's my opinion anyway. Edited January 21, 2016 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 @NFL_CFB A Michigan State player vehemently defended QB Connor Cook's reputation --> http://bit.ly/20hl96Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) This is the part of your original statement I was referring to: "And yes, there are most certainly talented QBs in this draft. Nobody knows if they'll be the answer either, but the wise thing to do is to hedge the bet on Taylor by drafting one." The wise thing is to "hedge the bet". That's opinion. And yes, other teams have had success (how long is long term?) without doing this. Of course our good friend Trent Dilfer comes to mind. But also look at the Cardinals. They have been very good with QBs they didn't draft and everyone else thought was washed up. First they went to SB with Kurt Warner and are now in the NFC Championship Game with Carson Palmer, both of whom were resurrected from the scrap heap. The Buccaneers had their drafted guy (Dilfer again), but then went to another scrap heap guy, Brad Johnson to win the Super Bowl. Bucs were quite competitive for many years with Trent and Shawn King under center before Johnson arrived. Saints won a SB with a scrap heap guy, Drew Brees as well. Teams have won the SB with backups (Hostetler anyone?). Kurt Warner. There is more than one way to skin a cat. That's my opinion anyway. Yes, the wise thing is to hedge the bet. It's reckless not to...if Taylor isn't the guy, what then? You remain mired in mediocrity. I see nothing in your post that contradicts it...at all. The remainder of your post is citing references to guys that had one mediocre year (Dilfer, Hostetler)--which is the antithesis of long-term success--or guys that weren't drafted by their teams. I didn't say that a franchise QB has to be acquired via the draft--it just happens to be, by a humongous margin, the most common way to acquire one. The Cardinals have a franchise QB. They had one with Warner as well. Neither of those are examples that contradict my point about franchise QB being the one component that leads to long-term success. I think you got way off track in this discussion. Drew Brees wasn't "a scrap heap guy" at all, and calling him that makes me wonder if you're even being serious here. He was the 32nd overall pick in 2001, and had a very good final year in SD. Had it not been for a shoulder injury AND the drafting of Rivers (oh look, SD hedged their bet because they weren't sure about Brees), he never would've hit the market and signed the richest deal ever for a QB. "Scrap heap guy" and "richest deal ever" are completely diametrically opposed statements. Yes, there's more than one way to get a franchise QB. There is not, however, more than one way to have long-term success in today's NFL; you need a franchise QB. Not a Dilfer, not a Hostetler, a bona fide franchise QB. Edited January 21, 2016 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 @NFL_CFB A Michigan State player vehemently defended QB Connor Cook's reputation --> http://bit.ly/20hl96Z "I don't buy any of that, one bit. I feel like, as he is my brother and he is family to me, it's kind of my obligation to try to kill some of that noise," Harris said. "Hopefully I can do that by getting people to understand from the inside of that locker room that we loved him and that he was the best quarterback in the country, no doubt about it. "It's been a mystery to us, and it's really unfortunate. He's a great guy who comes from a great family. It's hurtful to me as well because he's part of our 2011 class that's been able to do so many special things at Michigan State. I know him, I know his parents well, his sister, I know everything about him. We talk all the time. For how close and tight-knit the team was, to me it's been kind of blasphemous, the amount of things that have been said about him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Wentz if he makes it to round 2. Other than that get camp fodder later in the draft. 1st round pick has to be a starter at OL, LB, DL or a real #2 WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Wentz if he makes it to round 2. Other than that get camp fodder later in the draft. 1st round pick has to be a starter at OL, LB, DL or a real #2 WR. if there is a potential Franchise QB in the first you take him. We don't have to have a starter in the first round as we can get starter in the second and third as well, plus there is no guarantee that who ever is taken in the first will start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 if there is a potential Franchise QB in the first you take him. We don't have to have a starter in the first round as we can get starter in the second and third as well, plus there is no guarantee that who ever is taken in the first will start. I agree. If there is someone that the Bills have a 1st round grade on that is there at 19 they should pick him even if he isn't number 1 on their board. Whaley has shown an ability to get 2nd and 3rd round starters and whilst I haven't got as much into the class as a whole yet I am not sure there are likely to be real elite talents there at 19 that you would be passing up if a QB who you might have ranked at the end of the 1st was the pick. Personally the only QBs I have 1st round grades on are Cook and Goff. I have started to watch some Wentz but haven't seen enough yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Please draft Hogan from Stanford. He is unquestionably the best pro prospect - most consistent performance of any college qb and winner. Also he has andrew luck athletiscm. Shocked but happy he doesn't get talked about Don't know about the "unquestionably" factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) After his performance yesterday, I am starting to wonder if Vernon Adams might deserve more serious consideration. I saw all of his games this year and he was unquestionably effective. I have wondered about his arm strength but he throws a very nice long ball. Reminds me a lot of TT, but without TT's straight line speed. Body might not hold up to NFL punishment. Edited January 24, 2016 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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