Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 His injury could cause bad teams to stay away, but you're probably right. The draft stuff and pro day will probably ease the minds. He's an awesome player, though. Start coming to terms with this now...just in case. hell no, I never liked ej and don't plan on liking anyone I don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Please draft Hogan from Stanford. He is unquestionably the best pro prospect - most consistent performance of any college qb and winner. Also he has andrew luck athletiscm. Shocked but happy he doesn't get talked about Absurd. He is not unquestionably the best pro prospect. Lots of work he needs to do. A LOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Absurd. He is not unquestionably the best pro prospect. Lots of work he needs to do. A LOT. I've seen the cat play a few times and he's always looked good and plays a pro style offense and has been in on a ton of wins. What don't you like about him and what does he need to work on? You obviously know a lot more about him than I do. Could you expound on why you say what you did above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Bandit and Astro, What are your thoughts on Sudfeld from Indiana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I've seen the cat play a few times and he's always looked good and plays a pro style offense and has been in on a ton of wins. What don't you like about him and what does he need to work on? You obviously know a lot more about him than I do. Could you expound on why you say what you did above? I'm no QB expert, but last year I hated the idea of Hogan. He was really inaccurate. This year it was a lot less noticeable, but the relative weakness in his arm still shines through on the boundary passes. Not sure where his ceiling is. Many people think he's a Fitz type, journeyman/back-up at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) I like Kevin, he's always seemed like a nice guy in our limited interactions, and I wish him success in the NFL. He's played mostly well at Stanford. I worry about how his arm strength will translate to the pro-game, and I really don't like his release. I think he's improved his over the middle accuracy, but the long balls seem hit or miss, and the sideline outs take foreeever to get there. Not convinced about his going through all of his progressions on a frequent basis. Played behind our awesome OLines, and worry there could be some shellshock. Edited January 8, 2016 by NickelCity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I like Kevin, he's always seemed like a nice guy in our limited interactions, and I wish him success in the NFL. He's played mostly well at Stanford. I worry about how his arm strength will translate to the pro-game, and I really don't like his release. I think he's improved his over the middle accuracy, but the long balls seem hit or miss, and the sideline outs take foreeever to get there. Not convinced about his going through all of his progressions on a frequent basis. Played behind our awesome OLines, and worry there could be some shellshock. If he comes into the league and is asked to start early he has no chance. I like his chances as a developmental Quarterback and think developing into a Fitz like top quality backup / low end starter is certainly possible. After that, can he make the next jump to the "solid game manager" category? I think based on what I see that he could though that is more of a risky projection. I think that is his absolute ceiling - game manager NFL QB, but I'm quite positive on him and I'd be willing to pick him as high as the 4th round, certainly would take him if he reaches the Bills' pick in the 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Bandit and Astro, What are your thoughts on Sudfeld from Indiana? Almost done with Sudfield's work-up. The next group also includes Hackenberg, Brissett, and Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) Draft breakdown - Connor cook vs Alabama 2015 http://draftbreakdown.com/video/connor-cook-vs-alabama-2015/ Edited January 8, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Another one I finished: Nate Sudfeld – Indiana, 6’5”, 230 lbs, Senior http://draftbreakdown.com/video/nate-sudfeld-vs-duke-2015/ Notes (time in video relating to note): - General comments: My favorite thing about Sudfeld is the lower-body mechanics and drop-back. Very clean, with good drive off his back foot and a solid foundation. His delivery is inefficient; he doesn’t transfer power, and the bent-arm throwing motion robs him of a lot of zip. His passes tend to float to the boundary and on the deep seam routes. He is, however, decisive with a quick release, and has prototypical size. - (0:08) perfect example of the ball simply not having enough zip to the sideline. - (0:14) beautiful drive off the plant foot at the top of his drop; look how much better the ball comes out when he transfers that power. That shows me potential. - (0:54) gets psyched out by the blitz (even though he isn’t in danger) and steps backward, throwing off his back foot and floating the ball. He needs to climb forward and throw with confidence. - (1:13) much better on the boundary throw. Again, when he transfers his power efficiently, he can make all the throws—this is not a kid that’s limited by arm strength. - (2:21) sequence of plays that I love. He misses on two straight deep shots due to pressure in his face, and then comes back on the 3rd one and drops a dime in there (on 3rd down too) despite another collapsing pocket. Big time throw. - (3:06) everything about this play is bad. Double clutches, delivers slow, and throws to a covered receiver. - (3:44) can’t decide if I like this throw or not. Great play in college—waiting for the WR to stack the safety. In the NFL, I think he either gets hit before he delivers it, or is throwing what ends up being a contested ball at-best. - (5:50) here’s a small thing that I like: positions his body perfectly to get the ball out quickly and accurately on the “blast” throw out of the zone read. That kind of quick delivery is the difference between 3 and 7 yards on 1st and 15 in that situation. SIDE NOTE: geez, this Deion Williams—the edge defender for Duke (LB48)—is all over the place this game. - (6:59) noticeably looks off the deep coverage on the post. Summary: The size and arm strength are NFL caliber, and he does some things well mechanically. The sticking points for me are the upper-body mechanics and how much he can speed up the process at the next level. I’d be buying him as an early Day 3 guy with starting potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 A couple more: Christian Hackenberg – Penn State, 6’4”, 228 lbs, Junior http://draftbreakdown.com/video/christian-hackenberg-vs-michigan-state-2015/ Notes (time in video relating to note): - General comments: He’s got a good arm, but I think he trusts it too much. The process is a bit slow from snap to delivery, though he does scan the field well. Many times he puts the ball in dangerous positions instead of giving his targets a chance to make a play. - (0:15) like the way he scans the field here. - (0:28) example of him with poor understanding of where to throw; that ball needs to be to the outside shoulder of the WR for him to have a chance. - (1:00) back-to-back plays that show nice zip on both inside and outside throws - (1:31) gets sloppy with the footwork; ball sails - (2:25) rushes the ball to the outside; the slot WR is coming open - (2:30) nice job of scanning the field and delivering a strike over the middle - (3:10) bad ball placement; low and inside is where that ball should be thrown - (3:51) yuck…the eyes come down almost immediately. I think he’s getting sacked there regardless, but he didn’t even look. - (5:27) that’s just entirely too long to hold the ball without stepping up or throwing - (6:01) nice dart into a safe spot for the WR - (8:00) this display kind of says it all - (10:33) much better ball placement; low and inside Summary: He just doesn’t have the look of an NFL starter to me. Not enough money throws. I haven’t seen him hit a deep ball, or even a mid-range dig route with any consistency. He can probably be a solid backup, but I’m not investing anything above a 5th rounder on him. I know he’ll go higher than that, but I simply don’t see it. Jacoby Brissett – NC State, 6’4”, 235 lbs, Senior http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jacoby-brissett-vs-clemson-2015/ Notes (time in video relating to note): - General comments: I came into the year really loving Brissett—his game against FSU in 2014 was phenomenal. I like his athleticism for such a big guy, and his arm is great. He tends to hold the ball too long, and has kind of a long release. He is fantastic at extending the play and very tough to bring down. - (0:00) good accuracy on the run - (0:07) this is what I mean about holding the ball too long; if that ball’s gone a ½ second sooner, it’s complete - (0:12) Big Ben-like escapability on display - (0:49) this is an NFL play; steps back into the sliding pocket to avoid the pressure, then throws a bullet back across the field, right on target - (1:19) the downside to extending plays; exposes the ball and gets stripped - (2:07) has to be willing to take the dump-off there; takes an unnecessary hit instead - (2:30) nice placement on the dig route - (3:07) really nice play-fake here; turns his back to the defense, shows the ball…sells it well - (5:10) love the placement on this throw - (5:53) good/bad: looks happy-footed at first, but re-sets and delivers a strike for the TD - (6:00) that’s a dime…nice throw - (7:25) if you don’t love this play, well, go away (lol) Summary: I still like Brissett, even though I think he may have some of the same problems we’ve seen with EJ Manuel (holds the ball too long, slow release). I believe he belongs in the NFL, but that he’s going to need work to adjust to the speed of the game and clean up some ball security issues. If I’m a team that has two years to groom a guy, then I’m investing a 4th round pick in Brissett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) @dpbrugler Official: QB Carson Wentz will start tomorrow for NDSU in FCS Title Game. Excited to get a look at this kid ESPN2 noon EST Edited January 8, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 @dpbrugler Official: QB Carson Wentz will start tomorrow for NDSU in FCS Title Game. Excited to get a look at this kid ESPN2 noon EST No better prep for the Senior Bowl. He'll also be on the roster coached by the Cowboys. I fully anticipate he'll end up in Dallas now. He'll blow them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I don't know what to make of Hogan's delivery and arm strenght. sometimes it looks good but the majority of the times it seems that he doesn't have the arm for Buffalo weather (like the season finale) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 WE DONT NEED TO DRAFT A !@#$ING QUARTERBACK!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 WE DONT NEED TO DRAFT A !@#$ING QUARTERBACK!!!Atta boy! Exactly the drafting philosophy that has made the Bills great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 @dpbrugler Official: QB Carson Wentz will start tomorrow for NDSU in FCS Title Game. Excited to get a look at this kid ESPN2 noon EST thanks for the heads up Atta boy! Exactly the drafting philosophy that has made the Bills great. exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 'Why not sign Tebow' can still be separate weekly threads, right? please.stop.now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 please.stop.now tebow is on ESPN CFB playoff coverage. He looks like he joined a boy band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 WE DONT NEED TO DRAFT A !@#$ING QUARTERBACK!!! Yes, we do indeed need to draft a QB Taylor has not proven he can be a franchise QB, and EJ has proven that he most certainly cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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