GG Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Come on, it's not a left or right issue, it's about money. There's more money in war than there is in peace. Our policy makers are bought and paid for by the people who profit from perma war. And you can't have perma war if you have stability. You're off the rails again. Do your own homework. Who makes more money Apple or Lockheed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Did people seriously get worked up by that Pope comment? He was clearly speaking in metaphor, the typical "unite, don't divide" message. The "build a bridge" portion should have tipped anyone off to how generic that statement was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Did people seriously get worked up by that Pope comment? He was clearly speaking in metaphor, the typical "unite, don't divide" message. The "build a bridge" portion should have tipped anyone off to how generic that statement was. I know the Donald was worked up about it because he fired back. Brilliant strategy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I know the Donald was worked up about it because he fired back. Brilliant strategy He just wants to keep his name at the top of the news. He's absolutely brilliant at that, no doubt. I'm just amazed how people always fall for the tricks of attention whores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 He just wants to keep his name at the top of the news. He's absolutely brilliant at that, no doubt. I'm just amazed how people always fall for the tricks of attention whores. I'm pretty sure this trick won't sit too well with the GOP base. I find it hilarious that the leading GOP candidate is taking shots at the Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 How does the GOP base feel about illegals and deporting them? Because if they feel the same way as The Don, then the Pope's calling them un-Christian as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 How does the GOP base feel about illegals and deporting them? Because if they feel the same way as The Don, then the Pope's calling them un-Christian as well. Immigration reform is an important issue that needs to be debated. I'm pretty sure the dialogue can be continued without taking a run a the pope... But hey, maybe it's a brilliant campaign strategy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 You're off the rails again. Do your own homework. Who makes more money Apple or Lockheed? Apple raked in over 280 billion in 2015 -- the American defense budget was nearly 3 times that, 601 billion. Apple is chump change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Apple raked in over 280 billion in 2015 -- the American defense budget was nearly 3 times that, 601 billion. Apple is chump change. You just compared the earnings of a single company to the entire comprehensive defense budget of the United States. You are both litterally and figuratively comparing Apples to airplanes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 You just compared the earnings of a single company to the entire comprehensive defense budget of the United States. You are both litterally and figuratively comparing Apples to airplanes here. I didn't actually. That 601 B is just the budget we know about. It also doesn't factor in arms sales to nations outside the US. Anyone who argues war isn't the most profitable of American enterprises is kidding themselves. History has shown this to be true, as does 15 years of perma war wherein the economy has tanked but for those folks participating in arming and blowing up the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Apple raked in over 280 billion in 2015 -- the American defense budget was nearly 3 times that, 601 billion. Apple is chump change. A third of the defense budget is HR costs. Another third is operational costs. How are those budget expenditures even remotely comparable to Apple's revenue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) I didn't actually. That 601 B is just the budget we know about. It also doesn't factor in arms sales to nations outside the US. Anyone who argues war isn't the most profitable of American enterprises is kidding themselves. History has shown this to be true, as does 15 years of perma war wherein the economy has tanked but for those folks participating in arming and blowing up the world. No, you are doing exactly that. The entire defense budget of the United States is only roughly three times the size of the annual earnings of a single tech company. Edited February 19, 2016 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 No, you are doing exactly that. The entire defense budget of the United States is only roughly three times the size of the annual earnings of a single tech company. Revenue. Not earnings. Which only further demonstrate s the ridiculousness of the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I asked him to do his own homework. Geez, you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 A third of the defense budget is HR costs. Another third is operational costs. How are those budget expenditures even remotely comparable to Apple's revenue? They're not. GG made the comparison, I simply pointed out how silly it is. No, you are doing exactly that. The entire defense budget of the United States is only roughly three times the size of the annual earnings of a single tech company. Apologies I meant I'm not comparing the whole US budget to Apple, only a portion of it. It's disingenuous to compare them anyway. Apple is one company, the largest in the world, who's labor force and manufacturing plants aren't located in America. I asked him to do his own homework. Geez, you guys. It's a ridiculous point. You're really going to argue war isn't Good business for America despite 200 plus years of history to the contrary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 They're not. GG made the comparison, I simply pointed out how silly it is. Read what I asked you to compare and what you compared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 It's a ridiculous point. You're really going to argue war isn't Good business for America despite 200 plus years of history to the contrary? That's it. I'm calling Edwin Starr......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Read what I asked you to compare and what you compared Here's the chain: No argument. I'm just saying...leaving tens of thousands of innocent people to die at the hand of a madman should not be our gig. Funny how the left has no problem with people like Assad and Hussein gassing and killing innocent people, but make one illegal immigrant in the US work for their freebies, and they suddenly take up arms. Come on, it's not a left or right issue, it's about money. There's more money in war than there is in peace. Our policy makers are bought and paid for by the people who profit from perma war. And you can't have perma war if you have stability. You're off the rails again. Do your own homework. Who makes more money Apple or Lockheed? Your point is silly and irrelevant to the discussion that was ongoing. The point isn't that companies outside of the MiC don't make money, it's that the money behind the defense industry has bought and paid for our government in order to promote instability and conflict which bolsters their bottom lines. Comparing them to Apple as some sort of trump card doesn't prove any point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 It's a ridiculous point. You're really going to argue war isn't Good business for America despite 200 plus years of history to the contrary? Defense is good business and war is better business. War is better because it keeps the population in check and that, in my mind, is our biggest issue. We need a damn good war to wipe out a few million mouth breathing millennials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Defense is good business and war is better business. War is better because it keeps the population in check and that, in my mind, is our biggest issue. We need a damn good war to wipe out a few million mouth breathing millennials. Now you're getting the mentality that's really running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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