Refugee Crisis in the U. S. (?)

[B-Man]

People Roast Trump And Then Find Out It Was Obama

by Matt M. Miller

 

Original Article

 

People told the Daily Caller News Foundation what they thought of quotes President Donald Trump said regarding immigration, except it was actually former President Barack Obama who said them.“That is our direct message to families in central America: Do not send your children to the border. If they do make it, they’ll get sent back, more importantly, they might not make it,” Obama said in 2014.He also said in 2009, “You are gonna pay a significant fine, you are going to learn English, you are going to go to the back of the line so that you don’t get ahead of somebody applying legally,

[B-Man]

White House to Dems Skipping Town: Enjoy Your Vacation While the Border Crisis Rages

Katie Pavlich

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/07/26/white-house-to-dems-skipping-town-enjoy-your-vacation-while-the-border-crisis-rages-n2550711

[Buffalo_Gal]

U.S. Supreme Court lets Trump use disputed funds for border wall
 

The U.S. Supreme Court on Friday handed President Donald Trump a victory by letting his administration redirect $2.5 billion in money approved by Congress for the Pentagon to help build his promised wall along the U.S.-Mexico border even though lawmakers refused to provide funding.
 

The conservative-majority court on a 5-4 vote with the court's liberals in dissent blocked in full a ruling by a federal judge in California barring the Republican president from spending the money on the basis that Congress did not specifically authorize the funds to be spent on the wall project fiercely opposed by Democrats and Mexico's government.
 

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A bit more:
 

 

[3rdnlng]

[BeginnersMind]

54 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

 

Memethink. 

 

I know many immigrants. None want to make America like their home countries but many do appreciate living among and visiting pockets of people living in the US (we call them neighborhoods) who share their heritage. 

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3 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

I know many immigrants. None want to make America like their home countries

 

 

[3rdnlng]

10 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Memethink. 

 

I know many immigrants. None want to make America like their home countries but many do appreciate living among and visiting pockets of people living in the US (we call them neighborhoods) who share their heritage. 

Are you trying to say that there aren't a lot of immigrants who don't want to make the USA like their country of origin?

[BeginnersMind]

2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Are you trying to say that there aren't a lot of immigrants who don't want to make the USA like their country of origin?

 

Yes, absolutely. They come here for a reason, and the reason is that here things are better, whatever the things are that they left behind. 

 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Yes, absolutely. They come here for a reason, and the reason is that here things are better, whatever the things are that they left behind. 

 

https://dailycaller.com/2016/05/01/anti-trump-protesters-show-their-true-colors-with-mexican-flags/

 

But the resulting protest showed a more honest side to many within the pro-immigration movement. Brandishing Mexican flags and burning American flags sends a clear message as to which national identity the demonstrators prefer.

It’s worth noting that the vast majority of the California demonstrators were young people, an ominous sign that the children of immigrants aren’t assimilating into America’s national fabric. Rather, they are keeping alive their allegiance to the country only a few miles to the south.

A testament to the dramatic decline of America’s ability to assimilate recent migrants, for sure. However, the California demonstrations repudiate the notion that the American national character of abstraction can inspire new arrivals. Obviously, these anti-Trump protesters enjoy all the opportunities afforded by living in this country. They don’t appear to take issue with the American way of life; otherwise, they’d be back in Mexico.

But they do favor Mexican national identity over American national identity. To them, it represents their family, their heritage and their history. America is just a place where they make money.

As is always the case outside of libertarian theories, culture trumps economic concerns when it comes to issues of the heart. America as a nation-state, apparently, inspires no feelings of loyalty or attachment among these activists.

And it’s not like you can blame Trump for this alienation. There’s been multiple instances of Mexican immigrants expressing their preferred national identity within the confines of the United States.

In 1998 and 2011, Mexican immigrants booed the national anthem during soccer matches between the U.S. and Mexico Men’s soccer teams — that took place in the U.S. During the 2006-07 legislative debate over granting amnesty to illegal aliens, supporters of the proposal marched through several American cities proudly waving Mexican flags with hardly any American ones in sight.

It should be a disturbing sight to see these kinds of demonstrations in our cities, but maybe we should expect them when our elites offer new arrivals a national character that is nothing more than a celebration of economic opportunity. Everyone believes in that, and it’s not particularly unique to the American experience. More importantly, it is not enough to bind the citizenry together in unity.

Fortunately, America does have a national identity that is more than an abstraction. It’s just that our historical Anglo character is no longer in vogue among our elites and they’d rather think our country was formed out of thin air.

As indicated by the displays at the anti-Trump riots, people will always choose the identity that can win over their heart. And it wasn’t “America as an idea,” which seems to only make D.C. policy wonks swoon.

In the short-term, the riots will likely bolster Trump’s appeal. In the long-term, it portends to a future where millions of young people think of America with contempt as they cling to their native land and culture.

Imagine our national unity in a country like that.
  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2019 by 3rdnlng

[Prickly Pete]

"Mexican-Americans" know it, but will never admit it...it's pure self-interest / tribalism.

[BeginnersMind]

Some Trump protestors and drunk soccer fans are your picture of immigrants? That’s like someone painting all Republicans as racist because of a pro Trump Klan rally or racist comments on Twitter from Trump supporters. (You’ll note how no one here, not even Tibs, floods the board with the many examples of this that are out there...when such examples survive the Twitter filter. But most posters here revel in posting stupid stuff the low level lefties post. What does that create? Division. Anger. And illusion.)

 

Both broad brushes ignore a much better and less vocal majority. We average over a million new legal immigrants per year. Those people worked hard to get here, went the legal route, and do not want to go back to India, China, Mexico, Honduras, the Philippines, Spain, Turkey, Somalia. They are in many ways more patriotic than you and me who are only here because we drew the human lottery ticket to be born here, which was 0.000000000% in our control. 

 

You did no no work to be a citizen. Me either. I admire legal immigrants. Each generation of them has changed the country. This one will too. Maybe we will appreciate the work ethic or social and family structure they bring. Or maybe just simply the food and appreciation for America. 

[Chef Jim]

19 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Memethink. 

 

I know many immigrants. None want to make America like their home countries but many do appreciate living among and visiting pockets of people living in the US (we call them neighborhoods) who share their heritage. 

 

Chinatown

Japantown

Koreatown

Calle Ocho

Little Tokyo

Etc etc......

[BeginnersMind]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Chinatown

Japantown

Koreatown

Calle Ocho

Little Tokyo

Etc etc......

 

Never heard of a Japantown or Little Tokyo but I wish such a thing was nearby.  

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Never heard of a Japantown or Little Tokyo but I wish such a thing was nearby.  

 

Those are all in LA except Calle Ocho which is in Miami. When you drive through LA there are all sorts of ethnic “towns”. 

[DC Tom]

33 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Chinatown

Japantown

Koreatown

Calle Ocho

Little Tokyo

Etc etc......

 

Cultural enclaves are not the same as "make the US into their country."  Rather, it's exactly a symptom of what idiot-boy said.

 

I think, however, it's slightly different in the southwest, where you have a distinct group of people calling themselves "La Raza" and agitating for the "Reconquista." 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Attorney General William Barr Puts Additional Limits On Asylum Claims
 

Attorney General William Barr ruled Monday that being a member of a family harassed by gangs is not enough to qualify for asylum.
 

In a ruling that will likely block a large number of immigrants from lodging successful asylum claims moving forward, Barr overturned a previous decision made by Board of Immigration Appeals, which found that being a member of family targeted by gangs or other criminal organizations could qualify them as a “particular social group” worthy of U.S. asylum
 

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[Boatdrinks]

On 7/27/2019 at 6:48 PM, 3rdnlng said:

https://dailycaller.com/2016/05/01/anti-trump-protesters-show-their-true-colors-with-mexican-flags/

 

But the resulting protest showed a more honest side to many within the pro-immigration movement. Brandishing Mexican flags and burning American flags sends a clear message as to which national identity the demonstrators prefer.

It’s worth noting that the vast majority of the California demonstrators were young people, an ominous sign that the children of immigrants aren’t assimilating into America’s national fabric. Rather, they are keeping alive their allegiance to the country only a few miles to the south.

A testament to the dramatic decline of America’s ability to assimilate recent migrants, for sure. However, the California demonstrations repudiate the notion that the American national character of abstraction can inspire new arrivals. Obviously, these anti-Trump protesters enjoy all the opportunities afforded by living in this country. They don’t appear to take issue with the American way of life; otherwise, they’d be back in Mexico.

But they do favor Mexican national identity over American national identity. To them, it represents their family, their heritage and their history. America is just a place where they make money.

As is always the case outside of libertarian theories, culture trumps economic concerns when it comes to issues of the heart. America as a nation-state, apparently, inspires no feelings of loyalty or attachment among these activists.

And it’s not like you can blame Trump for this alienation. There’s been multiple instances of Mexican immigrants expressing their preferred national identity within the confines of the United States.

In 1998 and 2011, Mexican immigrants booed the national anthem during soccer matches between the U.S. and Mexico Men’s soccer teams — that took place in the U.S. During the 2006-07 legislative debate over granting amnesty to illegal aliens, supporters of the proposal marched through several American cities proudly waving Mexican flags with hardly any American ones in sight.

It should be a disturbing sight to see these kinds of demonstrations in our cities, but maybe we should expect them when our elites offer new arrivals a national character that is nothing more than a celebration of economic opportunity. Everyone believes in that, and it’s not particularly unique to the American experience. More importantly, it is not enough to bind the citizenry together in unity.

Fortunately, America does have a national identity that is more than an abstraction. It’s just that our historical Anglo character is no longer in vogue among our elites and they’d rather think our country was formed out of thin air.

As indicated by the displays at the anti-Trump riots, people will always choose the identity that can win over their heart. And it wasn’t “America as an idea,” which seems to only make D.C. policy wonks swoon.

In the short-term, the riots will likely bolster Trump’s appeal. In the long-term, it portends to a future where millions of young people think of America with contempt as they cling to their native land and culture.

Imagine our national unity in a country like that.
  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And that’s the problem with letting everyone in so easily. They have a sense of entitlement, and don’t want to assimilate. If it continues unabated , pretty soon you don’t have a country anymore. This is something that should concern all native born Americans, not just Trump supporters. It’s a real threat, as today’s immigrants are not the same as our great grandparents were. 

[BeginnersMind]

6 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

And that’s the problem with letting everyone in so easily. They have a sense of entitlement, and don’t want to assimilate. If it continues unabated , pretty soon you don’t have a country anymore. This is something that should concern all native born Americans, not just Trump supporters. It’s a real threat, as today’s immigrants are not the same as our great grandparents were. 

 

You know who you sound like?

 

The generation who was here when our great grandparents arrived. 

[SoCal Deek]

36 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

You know who you sound like?

 

The generation who was here when our great grandparents arrived. 

Wrong. My grandparents came in the correct way, per the laws of our country and therefore respected the laws of our country. They bought into America. They weren’t tenants. I don’t know anyone who’s against legal immigration. Thousands of people immigrate legally every year and eventually become citizens....just like my grandparents did! HUGE difference.

[BeginnersMind]

55 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Wrong. My grandparents came in the correct way, per the laws of our country and therefore respected the laws of our country. They bought into America. They weren’t tenants. I don’t know anyone who’s against legal immigration. Thousands of people immigrate legally every year and eventually become citizens....just like my grandparents did! HUGE difference.

 

About a million people immigrate and become lawful residents here each year legally. Close to 3x more became than enter illegally. 

 

And the illegal immigrant population is declining here. 

 

I assumed you were talking about the majority of immigrants, who I guess you welcome wholeheartedly then. Which is good, because there are 45 million of them and they make up about the same % of our population as they did when your great grandparents arrived. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

PAUL BEDARD: Immigration top 2020 issue, 3-to-1 over healthcare, illegals ‘affect my life.’

 

Illegal immigration has forcefully moved to the top issue in the 2020 election, with Americans declaring that it impacts their lives and that they believe migrants are abusing social welfare programs once they get into the nation.

 

According to a series of polls released today by Heritage Action for America, immigration was cited as the top concern of Americans, at 21%. By comparison, just 7% cited healthcare.

 

What’s more, 54% said illegal immigration impacts their lives.

 

 

I’m pretty sure we’ll be hearing more about it. The Dems’ problem is that their core constituency — the Woke White People — doesn’t really believe in borders,

 

but a lot of their actual voters feel differently.

 

 

 

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[3rdnlng]

9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

And that’s the problem with letting everyone in so easily. They have a sense of entitlement, and don’t want to assimilate. If it continues unabated , pretty soon you don’t have a country anymore. This is something that should concern all native born Americans, not just Trump supporters. It’s a real threat, as today’s immigrants are not the same as our great grandparents were. 

Anytime something is handed out for free it instantly becomes less valuable than something that is worked for and earned.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

About a million people immigrate and become lawful residents here each year legally. Close to 3x more became than enter illegally. 

 

And the illegal immigrant population is declining here. 

 

I assumed you were talking about the majority of immigrants, who I guess you welcome wholeheartedly then. Which is good, because there are 45 million of them and they make up about the same % of our population as they did when your great grandparents arrived. 

I’ll accept your statistics and yes I’m fine with as long as people are entering legally. But I’m guessing you don’t live in California. We’re drowning in illegal immigrants here.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Sen. Graham Pushes Through Asylum Bill After Waiving Committee Rules
 

Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Lindsey Graham pushed through his asylum bill by waiving committee rules. The legislation narrowly moved out of committee Thursday in a 12-to-10 vote, which means it can now be taken up by the full Senate for consideration.
 

Graham’s decision allowed Republicans to act alone in making the bill eligible for Thursday’s vote after Democrats skipped last week’s business meeting on the bill. The South Carolina lawmaker defended his actions by saying “the Judiciary Committee can’t be a place where nothing happens.”
 

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His asylum proposal would increase the number of days migrant children can be held in custody, and it would require asylum seekers to file their claims from outside the U.S.
 

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[Deranged Rhino]

 

[B-Man]

WHEN SEDITION POSES AS PROFESSIONAL ETHICS: 

 

Prof demands ADA bar dentists from helping ICE.

 

 

 

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[Koko78]

16 minutes ago, B-Man said:

WHEN SEDITION POSES AS PROFESSIONAL ETHICS: 

 

Prof demands ADA bar dentists from helping ICE.

.

 

I like how a "professor" of medicine and two medical students know better than dentists.

[Tiberius]

 

Quote

 

Largest US Lutheran denomination becomes first 'sanctuary church ...

 

https://thehill.com/.../456851-largest-us-lutheran-denomination-becomes-first-sanctuar...

 

3 days ago - The largest U.S. Lutheran denomination announced this week that it would become a "sanctuary church."

 

The Lutherans step up! Not all Evangelicals have been indoctrinated away from the loving message of Christ by the fascists!

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

The Lutherans step up! Not all Evangelicals have been indoctrinated away from the loving message of Christ by the fascists!

Nice try. Christ was indeed in favor of helping the poor. But he was NOT in favor of promoting lawlessness. Go back and read the book. We’ll wait.

[ALF]

Farm and meat packing jobs are hard to fill if not for foreign labor. Good workers should be allowed and given work permits if they don't have one.

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, ALF said:

Farm and meat packing jobs are hard to fill if not for foreign labor. Good workers should be allowed and given work permits if they don't have one.

No one is arguing that. We’ve had work permits for decades.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Nice try. Christ was indeed in favor of helping the poor. But he was NOT in favor of promoting lawlessness. Go back and read the book. We’ll wait.

If anybody was a globalist, it was Jesus. Good for the Lutherans. Would you jail them for this? It's against the law, should the church leaders and participants go to jail?

 

And Jesus would like a president who obstructed justice, right? Oh, you are programed to believe that is fake new, sorry, forgot.

[3rdnlng]

14 minutes ago, ALF said:

Farm and meat packing jobs are hard to fill if not for foreign labor. Good workers should be allowed and given work permits if they don't have one.

Who says they're not? We're dealing with people who have broken our laws and entered our country illegally and then force us to play Hide and Seek with them. Do you actually think we wouldn't let enough people into the U.S. legally to fill these jobs?

[B-Man]

REMEMBER, THIS IS HOW SINCERE DEMOCRATS ARE ABOUT LIMITING “GUN VIOLENCE:” 

 

Democrats reject push to alert ICE when illegal immigrants fail firearm background checks.

 

 

 

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[ALF]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Who says they're not? We're dealing with people who have broken our laws and entered our country illegally and then force us to play Hide and Seek with them. Do you actually think we wouldn't let enough people into the U.S. legally to fill these jobs?

 

You are correct , the problem always has been the border is not secured in order to do this right.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Man Who Slammed Trump for ‘Racist’ Immigration Policies Killed by Illegal Immigrant
 

A man who criticized President Donald Trump’s immigration policies in the name of progressive Christianity was killed last week by an undocumented immigrant who avoided deportation by hiding in a local “sanctuary church.” 
 

Sean Buchanan, a father of five from Colorado Springs, was driving his motorcycle on Highway 83 when Miguel Ramirez Valiente swerved into his lane and killed him. The immigrant was charged with reckless driving with a revoked license.
 

Ramirez Valiente received national media coverage in January when he sought sanctuary in All Souls Unitarian Universalist Church in Buchanan’s hometown. Speaking from the pulpit, he told assembled reporters that he had fled gang violence in El Salvador in 2005. He said he wanted to stay in the United States to care for his wife and three children even though his asylum application was denied.
 

In a sympathetic report at the time, CNN said Ramirez Valiente was one of about 50 immigrants who had tried to avoid U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in a church.
 

However, when he killed Buchanan, Ramirez Valiente was driving with a suspended license thanks to a 2018 DUI. He was also arrested for reckless endangerment in 2011 and domestic violence in 2016. A district attorney dismissed both charges.
 

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[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Man Who Slammed Trump for ‘Racist’ Immigration Policies Killed by Illegal Immigrant
 

A man who criticized President Donald Trump’s immigration policies in the name of progressive Christianity was killed last week by an undocumented immigrant who avoided deportation by hiding in a local “sanctuary church.” 
 

Sean Buchanan, a father of five from Colorado Springs, was driving his motorcycle on Highway 83 when Miguel Ramirez Valiente swerved into his lane and killed him. The immigrant was charged with reckless driving with a revoked license.
 

Ramirez Valiente received national media coverage in January when he sought sanctuary in All Souls Unitarian Universalist Church in Buchanan’s hometown. Speaking from the pulpit, he told assembled reporters that he had fled gang violence in El Salvador in 2005. He said he wanted to stay in the United States to care for his wife and three children even though his asylum application was denied.
 

In a sympathetic report at the time, CNN said Ramirez Valiente was one of about 50 immigrants who had tried to avoid U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in a church.
 

However, when he killed Buchanan, Ramirez Valiente was driving with a suspended license thanks to a 2018 DUI. He was also arrested for reckless endangerment in 2011 and domestic violence in 2016. A district attorney dismissed both charges.
 

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 Call it a wash....

https://www.thedailybeast.com/undocumented-immigrant-juan-carlos-salgado-saved-houston-cops-life-before-he-was-killed

AMERICAN HERO

Undocumented Immigrant Saved Houston Cop’s Life Before He Was Killed

Juan Carlos Salgado punched out window of flaming police car and pulled out an officer.

 

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

If anybody was a globalist, it was Jesus. Good for the Lutherans. Would you jail them for this? It's against the law, should the church leaders and participants go to jail?

 

And Jesus would like a president who obstructed justice, right? Oh, you are programed to believe that is fake new, sorry, forgot.

You really need to read the book dude! Jesus wouldn’t and doesn’t care what the President did or does except for how it impacts the President’s personal relationship with God the Father. Jesus was neither a globalist or a nationalist. He did not profess any political views. If you’ve been around since before the earth was formed would spend a lot of time worrying about fleeting ideas like Russian collusion? No....you wouldn’t! And, He doesn’t. Like most earth centered liberals you’re thinking way too small.

[DC Tom]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

If anybody was a globalist, it was Jesus. Good for the Lutherans. Would you jail them for this? It's against the law, should the church leaders and participants go to jail?

 

And Jesus would like a president who obstructed justice, right? Oh, you are programed to believe that is fake new, sorry, forgot.

 

Jesus was a globalist?  

 

Now this is the stupidest thing I'll read all day.  You never fail to disappoint.  

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Jesus was a globalist?  

 

  

Yes, but only after he spent a decade as a neurosurgeon and also parted the Bering Strait so North America could be populated.