Unconventional, New Strategy Needed to Stop the Patriots?

[maddenboy]

 

Watch Brady play: he doesn't drop back, scan the field, and hit the open man. He knows who the open man is before the snap, based on knowing the coverage and knowing how his receivers are going to interfere with it.

 

 

I think this is it.

 

I think this is what makes them different.

 

I think this is coaching.

 

We all wish we had a QB who could eventually develop to be good enuf to drop back, scan the field, and hit the open man. And we'd still be behind the curve.

 

COACHING, please.

[DC Tom]

 

I think this is it.

 

I think this is what makes them different.

 

I think this is coaching.

 

We all wish we had a QB who could eventually develop to be good enuf to drop back, scan the field, and hit the open man. And we'd still be behind the curve.

 

COACHING, please.

 

You say it's "coaching," I say it's "cheating."

[machine gun kelly]

I'm going with the blitz 11 every single play for the whole game and late hit until he says uncle.

[Nihilarian]

Tom Brady is so "on" this year the Patriots don't even try and run the ball some games.

 

Buffalo preferred to mostly rush 3 or 4, and send the rest into a soft pass coverage by usually staying in nickle coverage, and by keeping the DB's 10 yards off the line. Brady ate this up and set a franchise record for most passes with 466 single player passing yards. The Patriots only ran the ball 15 times. When you see stats like these you figure the team is playing from behind. But in this case the Buffalo Bills numskull DC was simply giving way to much cushion at the line, and not blitzing properly.

 

 

Against the NY Jets who have Revis Island, Antonio Cromartie at DB, and Brady threw it 54 times, and the Pats only rushed the ball 9 times all game wow, just wow!

 

 

Watching a lot of the Patriots games this year the only teams that gave Brady trouble were the Cowboys, and Dolphins by blitzing a lot. They were so successful that at some point the Patriots were forced to run the ball to take the heat off Brady. Once the run game started working then Brady went back to pounding them thru the air. Brady will beat the blitz most of the time because he has seen everything there is, and has seen every defensive scheme there is.

 

 

The one team that "might" give Brady trouble this year is when they go up to Denver. The Broncos currently lead the NFL in sacks, and sack percentage at 10.5 which is better then Buffalo last year at 8.8. They may manage to get to Brady enough that the Pats will be forced to stay with the run game, and if the Broncos can't score its still an easy win for the Patriots because the Broncos new HC is making Manning do loops thru hoops on offense.

 

Oh. BTW the New England Patriots are currently #4 in sack percentage at 8.7, and are the #2 team in the NFL in sacks with 26 !

 

This year the Patriots offense looks unstoppable in every way as they are the #1 scoring offense, the #2 overall offense, the #2 passing offense, and as if that weren't enough they are the #1 team in the NFL in PPG scoring differential with 16.6. Then they are also #2 in the NFL in turnover differential @ +7.

 

 

All that said the Buffalo Bills have the talent on defense to get to Brady should the defensive staff remove their craniums from their posteriors. Thus by stacking the line of scrimmage, and jamming / slightly holding the receivers. Then spread the D line like the wide nine, and get some heat on Brady from the side. Once in the backfield do the same jamming, holding on the RB's and allow Brady a nice hole to run up the middle. Once past the line have a LBer hit him like someone drove a Mack truck over him even if its a PF for 15. A few hard hits, and its Garoppolo time

 

 

Seriously tho, I doubt any team can stop the Patriots this year if Brady stays healthy, undefeated by winning the SB, and GOAT title!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

Personally, I think actually playing the game in the Mutara Nebula has a better chance of success than your plan.

 

 

I don't think he can.

 

The entire offense is based on timing based on knowing the coverage before the ball is even snapped. Watch Brady play: he doesn't drop back, scan the field, and hit the open man. He knows who the open man is before the snap, based on knowing the coverage and knowing how his receivers are going to interfere with it.

 

However he knows the defense before the snap (cheating, or being really really smart, doesn't matter), you have to beat it in those first two seconds or not at all.

Then what about doing the inverse of what the patriots do with their picks? mug the receivers every play? They can't call it every time

[All_Pro_Bills]

The entire offense is based on timing based on knowing the coverage before the ball is even snapped. Watch Brady play: he doesn't drop back, scan the field, and hit the open man. He knows who the open man is before the snap, based on knowing the coverage and knowing how his receivers are going to interfere with it.

 

However he knows the defense before the snap (cheating, or being really really smart, doesn't matter), you have to beat it in those first two seconds or not at all.

This is a key insight. Along the lines of 'all battles are won or lost before they begin". Preparation is the key to victory. So a logicial defense might be to "show" Brady something that isn't what it appears to be, essentially utilizing deception and disguise. You need to confuse his pre-snap reads like if the WR goes in motion and nobody follows him you might read zone coverage and moments before the snap the defense needs to adjust to a man-to-man press scheme for example. This goes for the offense too. After you watch a team play every game you see tendencies and I seem to know what the Bills are going to do on most plays. If I can figure it out then certainly the professionals are way ahead of me. Bottom line, be unpredicable because predicability leads to negative outcomes.

 

The Giants had success in 2 SB's by deploying their DE's inside over the Guards to put pressure on the interior of the offensive line that was not geared to defend speed but rather the size and strength of the typical DT. When they brought in the heavy offensive package the defense shifted to the standard set. And certainly playing 10 yards off their receivers is unacceptable. You need to play press coverage and physical every single down.

 

The other unconventional thing I would employ is hiring a security firm to make sure nobody was stealing my signals, or playbooks, bugging my communications or locker room. Maybe its paranoia but why take a chance? The Patriots seem to know what you're going to do on offense and defense almost every single play. Is their coaching that good or is there more to it? I say, eliminate the "more to it" possiblity. I might even go as far as having three different coaches signal in the play to the team and if they are stealing my signals let them try and figure out which one is real and which two are fake on every down. Create confusion and uncertainty.

 

The other problem is New England provides a unique challenge with their personnel. And if you play a team once or twice a year and maybe not at all, are you going to set up you team to beat that one opponent as opposed to setting your lineup and team for the other 14+ games?

[RevWarRifleman]

Outscore them. That is the only way.

 

It's a race to 35 with them. You'd better be prepared to think that way.

 

They blow everyone out anyway, so you've got nothing to lose doing something exotic and crazy.

True, and have the offense eat clock in getting those 7 pts. (keep Brady off the field.) With defense & special teams creating turn overs & better yet, scoring pts as well. All three units have to be assets, not liabilities, the Pats will make you pay for those mistakes. That's my 2 cents anyway.

[peterpan]

How about have a very unorganized defense? They either cheat or Brady really is that good- knowing where the other team is blitzing from before they are even out of the defensive hudle.

 

So we need to make sure Brady has no idea what we are doing. The best way to do that is to not even let the D know what they themselves will be doing.

 

We get 11 coaches who each signal to one of the 11 players. The Pats will likely think it's a distraction and fake signals but they will all be genuine. Each individual player gets his signal but he won't have any idea what anyone else's responsibility is per-say. For example Brown is told to man up on gronk but he won't know that Bradham was told to blitz.

 

If Our D doesn't know what we are doing how could the Pats possibly know??

[filthymcnasty08]

 

Not even funny. That's a horrible way to go.

 

Try cyanide, belladonna, or aconite. Much less cruel.

 

He will only evolve intra-game into a being that can metabolize each and utilize them to put extra zip on his ball.

[machine gun kelly]

Tom Brady is so "on" this year the Patriots don't even try and run the ball some games.

 

Buffalo preferred to mostly rush 3 or 4, and send the rest into a soft pass coverage by usually staying in nickle coverage, and by keeping the DB's 10 yards off the line. Brady ate this up and set a franchise record for most passes with 466 single player passing yards. The Patriots only ran the ball 15 times. When you see stats like these you figure the team is playing from behind. But in this case the Buffalo Bills numskull DC was simply giving way to much cushion at the line, and not blitzing properly.

 

 

Against the NY Jets who have Revis Island, Antonio Cromartie at DB, and Brady threw it 54 times, and the Pats only rushed the ball 9 times all game wow, just wow!

 

 

Watching a lot of the Patriots games this year the only teams that gave Brady trouble were the Cowboys, and Dolphins by blitzing a lot. They were so successful that at some point the Patriots were forced to run the ball to take the heat off Brady. Once the run game started working then Brady went back to pounding them thru the air. Brady will beat the blitz most of the time because he has seen everything there is, and has seen every defensive scheme there is.

 

 

The one team that "might" give Brady trouble this year is when they go up to Denver. The Broncos currently lead the NFL in sacks, and sack percentage at 10.5 which is better then Buffalo last year at 8.8. They may manage to get to Brady enough that the Pats will be forced to stay with the run game, and if the Broncos can't score its still an easy win for the Patriots because the Broncos new HC is making Manning do loops thru hoops on offense.

 

Oh. BTW the New England Patriots are currently #4 in sack percentage at 8.7, and are the #2 team in the NFL in sacks with 26 !

 

This year the Patriots offense looks unstoppable in every way as they are the #1 scoring offense, the #2 overall offense, the #2 passing offense, and as if that weren't enough they are the #1 team in the NFL in PPG scoring differential with 16.6. Then they are also #2 in the NFL in turnover differential @ +7.

 

 

All that said the Buffalo Bills have the talent on defense to get to Brady should the defensive staff remove their craniums from their posteriors. Thus by stacking the line of scrimmage, and jamming / slightly holding the receivers. Then spread the D line like the wide nine, and get some heat on Brady from the side. Once in the backfield do the same jamming, holding on the RB's and allow Brady a nice hole to run up the middle. Once past the line have a LBer hit him like someone drove a Mack truck over him even if its a PF for 15. A few hard hits, and its Garoppolo time

 

 

Seriously tho, I doubt any team can stop the Patriots this year if Brady stays healthy, undefeated by winning the SB, and GOAT title!

 

Nihilarian,

 

I like your comments but Miami didn't do squat against the Pats. The Jets were actually the only real close game. Your defensive comments are right on, and i would add a LB plays at the LOS against Gronk, like Lawson if he lines on one side, and Bradham if on the other. Blast him and then let the Safety cover him. The only one big enough to pick him up is Aaron Williams so get helthy bud. Duke isn't good enough, and Corey is not big enough. We will have McKelvin by then so more DB depth.

 

Your right, Brady is the GOAT of QB's, so we most likely will lose, but I'd like to see much more of an unleashed defense, an much more read option with TT and Shady, then bulldoze with Karlos Williams. Screw it. If your going to go down, go down swinging. Then again I just watched for the first time in 30 years Vision Quest, and I was a very competitive wrestler so that is our "Remember the Titans" movie for wrestlers. I'm so pumped up I'm going to the gym on the day I normally take off.

 

Go Bills!

 

Then again just blitz 11 as I said before until Brady goes out on a stretcher (just kidding, well maybe)

[jethro_tull]

 

Personally, I think actually playing the game in the Mutara Nebula has a better chance of success than your plan.

 

I don't think he can.

 

The entire offense is based on timing based on knowing the coverage before the ball is even snapped. Watch Brady play: he doesn't drop back, scan the field, and hit the open man. He knows who the open man is before the snap, based on knowing the coverage and knowing how his receivers are going to interfere with it.

 

However he knows the defense before the snap (cheating, or being really really smart, doesn't matter), you have to beat it in those first two seconds or not at all.

Those critical two seconds. But WE KNOW HE IS GOING TO THROW THE BALL! Coverage isn't working and probably will never work because their timing is so good- their plays are so embedded it's like muscle memory at this point.

The key must be to get to the QB to stop or disrupt the planned throw- within those critical two seconds.

[Dopey]

Deflate the footballs.

[flmike]

Train Easley to be a DB and put him on Gronk. Seriously look for some tall fast LBs in the draft. We play these guys twice and the playoffs run through them.

 

If they are going to get away with the WR picks, blow them up.

 

You can only blitz Brady if you can press the TE's at the line. One won't work w/o the other.

[ICanSleepWhenI'mDead]

 

Personally, I think actually playing the game in the Mutara Nebula has a better chance of success than your plan. . . .

 

Of course it would . . . Brady (and everybody posting on TBD) would be dead by the time the teams got there. But my plan improves our chances of success for a game played on earth, and during my lifetime, and with Brady at QB for the Pats**********.

[#34fan]

There's only ONE way to defeat Brady and his cheaters.... I laugh out loud when I hear the rubes say "We gotta blitz the crap outta Brady"

 

This won't work... In fact, ANY "Get Brady" campaign will usually result in failure... That's because NO ONE "gets Brady"... Him, his offensive staff, and HC are beyond being good at what they do... -They're experts...

 

There's only ONE person that can get to Tom Brady, and that's TOM BRADY.. I promise you that this guy DOES NOT enjoy pressure situations... He wilts like a delicate flower under extreme duress, and NEEDS to play with a LEAD in order to do what he does... Because of this, he's perfected the art of SCORING FAST.... Super quick passes to reliable receivers.... He can move the chains at a blistering pace without morale-sapping three-and-outs.

 

Keeping Brady in a close, competitive, game is your BEST chance at beating him. -That means you have to SCORE POINTS... Remember, Tom Brady owes at least part of his reputation to guys like Adam Vinatieri, and Malcolm Butler... Clutch performances by OTHERS have helped TB's "Best Ever' campaign considerably...

 

Bottom Line: If an ofense isn't ready to put up at least 30 vs NE, They've got barely a snowball's chance. Now, could someone please email this to Greg Roman?

[Nihilarian]

 

Nihilarian,

 

I like your comments but Miami didn't do squat against the Pats. The Jets were actually the only real close game. Your defensive comments are right on, and i would add a LB plays at the LOS against Gronk, like Lawson if he lines on one side, and Bradham if on the other. Blast him and then let the Safety cover him. The only one big enough to pick him up is Aaron Williams so get helthy bud. Duke isn't good enough, and Corey is not big enough. We will have McKelvin by then so more DB depth.

 

Your right, Brady is the GOAT of QB's, so we most likely will lose, but I'd like to see much more of an unleashed defense, an much more read option with TT and Shady, then bulldoze with Karlos Williams. Screw it. If your going to go down, go down swinging. Then again I just watched for the first time in 30 years Vision Quest, and I was a very competitive wrestler so that is our "Remember the Titans" movie for wrestlers. I'm so pumped up I'm going to the gym on the day I normally take off.

 

Go Bills!

 

Then again just blitz 11 as I said before until Brady goes out on a stretcher (just kidding, well maybe)

I agree, as I should have defined my comments more as to "giving Brady trouble" which was meant to actually getting pressure, hits on him. The Jets did hold him back for a lot of that game but in the end he had his way by passing all over them.

 

The Buffalo Bills managed to get less pressure on Brady this year then they did in any game in all of last year. I believe that getting sustained pressure on Brady is really the only way to disrupt him to take him out of his game. Rex Ryan is correct when he says that its not all about sacks. But I feel it is all about getting that pressure on the QB to hurry his passes and make mistakes.

 

It doesn't happen often but the Dolphins managed to do just that in the opener last year, as did the Chiefs in week four. The Chiefs only sacked him three times, and intercepted him twice in that 41-14 win, but they managed to make his life miserable all game long with pressure.

[Beerball]

How about have a very unorganized defense?

Rex tried that already.

[TheFunPolice]

I want Dareus to wrap up Brady and fall right on top of him, Siragusa on Gannon style.

 

It's worth the 15 yards

[3rdand12]

 

Personally, I think actually playing the game in the Mutara Nebula has a better chance of success than your plan.

 

I don't think he can.

 

The entire offense is based on timing based on knowing the coverage before the ball is even snapped. Watch Brady play: he doesn't drop back, scan the field, and hit the open man. He knows who the open man is before the snap, based on knowing the coverage and knowing how his receivers are going to interfere with it.

 

However he knows the defense before the snap (cheating, or being really really smart, doesn't matter), you have to beat it in those first two seconds or not at all.

No one seems to be able to Outsmart them or out cheat them.

 

Release the BatGas Robin!

Put some Kryptonite in the deflated balls!

DO SOMETHING!

 

Etta ! Etta !! go on now and get me my shotgun around , and two shells.

Time to put those two hell hounds down.

Cows wont eat, horse all skittish and the chickens wont lay. And the damned rooster wont crow.

 

aint nothing left to do but shoot em. Shoot em dead.

[gomper]

The only way to beat the Pats is to out-execute them. Good luck.