Fred Jackson expected to sign with Seattle(update-signed)

[FireChan]

 

Maybe, but you're making all these declarations with the benefit of hindsight. Before the ball was snapped, the game was not in doubt. Roman is pretty good but he's not prescient. It wasn't as if it was an overly aggressive play call.

It was a calculated risk, as you said. It was a risk having Karlos out there in pass pro, as you said. And it was a risk that potentially could have changed the game. And nearly did. If Karlos picks up his block, there's little chance that they get a pick six there.

[Deranged Rhino]

It was a calculated risk, as you said. It was a risk having Karlos out there in pass pro, as you said. And it was a risk that potentially could have changed the game. And nearly did. If Karlos picks up his block, there's little chance that they get a pick six there.

 

The calculated risk I was referring to was cutting Fred in favor of getting Williams more meaningful snaps. It wasn't a calculated risk to have Williams in the game at that point in the game.

[Rob's House]

 

Maybe, but you're making all these declarations with the benefit of hindsight. Before the ball was snapped, the game was not in doubt. Roman is pretty good but he's not prescient. It wasn't as if it was an overly aggressive play call.

The game was in doubt up until the last few minutes of the game. Having been a Bills fan for so long you know that; you've lived it.

[Alaska Darin]

If you want to think I don't know what I'm talking about that's fine. But I have plenty of experience with the game. You're arm-chair coaching scared by even suggesting the game was in doubt BEFORE that play was snapped. It wasn't.

 

/irony

 

If youre a BILLS' fan with experience, there's no way you correlate those statements.

[FireChan]

 

The calculated risk I was referring to was cutting Fred in favor of getting Williams more meaningful snaps. It wasn't a calculated risk to have Williams in the game at that point in the game.

The risk inherent with cutting Fred is weaker pass protection. That is the whole point. With Karlos and Fred both active, Fred is out there in a designed pass pro situation. IMO.

Edited September 15, 2015 by FireChan

[Deranged Rhino]

/irony

 

Are you suggesting Roman should deploy his backfield using prescience? What happened on that play could (and will) happen a few times during the season. Before the ball was snapped, the team is comfortably ahead and DOMINATING physically at home. The game was not in doubt UNLESS there was a pick six... which there wasn't.

The risk inherent with cutting Fred is weaker pass protection. That is the whole point. With Karlos and Fred both active, Fred is out there in a designed pass pro situation. IMO.

 

Sure. But let's not kid ourselves and rewrite history by saying the game was in doubt and this was a risky in-game call. It wasn't.

[FireChan]

 

Are you suggesting Roman should deploy his backfield using prescience? What happened on that play could (and will) happen a few times during the season. Before the ball was snapped, the team is comfortably ahead and DOMINATING physically at home. The game was not in doubt UNLESS there was a pick six... which there wasn't.

 

Sure. But let's not kid ourselves and rewrite history by saying the game was in doubt and this was a risky in-game call. It wasn't.

I don't blame Roman. Someone has to pass protect. Not his fault we don't have an RB good at it.

[Deranged Rhino]

I don't blame Roman. Someone has to pass protect. Not his fault we don't have an RB good at it.

 

We have several. Shady and Boobie are both good at it. And like I said, Williams isn't a bad blocker. He's physical and has good hands. He just needs consistency and technique -- both of which can be learned.

[FireChan]

 

We have several. Shady and Boobie are both good at it. And like I said, Williams isn't a bad blocker. He's physical and has good hands. He just needs consistency and technique -- both of which can be learned.

Let's hope he learns it fast or isn't on the field.

[Alaska Darin]

We have several. Shady and Boobie are both good at it. And like I said, Williams isn't a bad blocker. He's physical and has good hands. He just needs consistency and technique -- both of which can be learned.

 

Dixon is not a good pass blocker and he's about zero threat in the open field on third down. The fact that you've sunk to asking ridiculous questions about prescience shows how specious your argument is.

 

The BILLS should have kept Jackson for the exact situation they found themselves in yesterday. Its that simple, no matter how much you try to muck it up with your special lahjik and inability to reconcile how quickly football games change.

[Buffaloed in Pa]

Dixon is not a good pass blocker and he's about zero threat in the open field on third down. The fact that you've sunk to asking ridiculous questions about prescience shows how specious your argument is.

 

The BILLS should have kept Jackson for the exact situation they found themselves in yesterday. Its that simple, no matter how much you try to muck it up with your special lahjik and inability to reconcile how quickly football games change.

Moldy`s gone. Deal with it.

[John from Riverside]

I don't blame Roman. Someone has to pass protect. Not his fault we don't have an RB good at it.

Im confused...I thought the pass protection was pretty good overall in the game

[Buffaloed in Pa]

Im confused...I thought the pass protection was pretty good overall in the game

Same here. Whiners.

[Deranged Rhino]

Dixon is not a good pass blocker and he's about zero threat in the open field on third down. The fact that you've sunk to asking ridiculous questions about prescience shows how specious your argument is.

 

The BILLS should have kept Jackson for the exact situation they found themselves in yesterday. Its that simple, no matter how much you try to muck it up with your special lahjik and inability to reconcile how quickly football games change.

 

Specious? You're the one speculating that the game would have turned on a play that didn't happen. It's okay to disagree. I'm not arguing Fred isn't valuable, I love Fred. Williams is just better at everything else but pass protection. Having Fred in there on that play wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. If you want to coach scared and plan for the absolute worst case scenario happening before every play, that's your prerogative. It's just not the way I'd want my football team run. Frankly, I think you're making a stink over nothing. There will be plenty of other times this season where Williams misses an assignment, I'm sure. It happens. Save your indignation for those moments. You'll have a better case.

 

This team is good enough to overcome mistakes, even worst case scenario ones -- especially when they're up 2 scores with only a quarter to play.

[Malazan]

wow, people...seriously....

 

[Nanker]

Great as he was, Fred never chipped JJ Watt on the infamous EJM Pick 6. He and Chandler didn't even look at Watt on that play - they both just ran right by him. Watt blew by Henderson - who was stupidly double teaming the DT - in about half a second, and the rest is history. Pass protection is important folks.

[Wayne Cubed]

Haha, these past couple of pages gave me a good little laugh. It's turned to arguing about hypothetical situations as to why Freddie should still be on the team.

 

The Bills did not need Fred Jackson to beat the Colts, that's a fact.

[atlbillsfan1975]

wow, people...seriously....

 

For sure.

You posters still talking about Fred is interesting. I see why he was so beloved and missed now, but it isn't because of what he is able to do on the field NOW. You guys living in the past need to let it go and move on. Fred has.

[Rob's House]

Moldy`s gone. Deal with it.

I'm sure you still get a stiffy every time you think about it.

[Best Player Available]

The risk inherent with cutting Fred is weaker pass protection. That is the whole point

Good point.

This is lost on a lot of fans. it's one thing too "lose a step" and all the cliches thrown at the oldest back in the league.

Point is, name a back today better than picking up the blitz than Fred? i am certain there is not one on the Bills. maybe in the league.

His paltry 2,5 M salary had nothing to do with resigning Dareus. This is a huge mistake on Whaley's part one that TT at some point will wish Fred was back there if just for protection. IMO this revamped O-line is still evovling ata pace way too slow for some..............

[prissythecat]

Good point.

This is lost on a lot of fans. it's one thing too "lose a step" and all the cliches thrown at the oldest back in the league.

Point is, name a back today better than picking up the blitz than Fred? i am certain there is not one on the Bills. maybe in the league.

His paltry 2,5 M salary had nothing to do with resigning Dareus. This is a huge mistake on Whaley's part one that TT at some point will wish Fred was back there if just for protection. IMO this revamped O-line is still evovling ata pace way too slow for some..............

 

Are there any teams that keep a running back in lineup just because they can pick up the blitz?

[Best Player Available]

Are there any teams that keep a running back in lineup just because they can pick up the blitz?

Not going to engage in juvenile BS. fred's combined numbers from the LOS were what on the Bills the past years?

try again. First look them up.

[NoSaint]

Practice and late in games up 20+ against nobodies is where you get those reps until you're competent. They would make a great trio with McCoy as the scatback, Williams as the bruiser, and Fred as the 3rd down specialist who can block and catch. I can't accept that it's preferable to have less ability in the field for the sake of giving Williams practice.

 

well, really, since you want williams on the field as the bruiser, you are scrapping boobie as the special teamer.

 

probably doesnt effect your point, but figured worth a mention.

[plenzmd1]

Was thinking on Sunday how would I have reacted if Fred was on the 53 but not active like Brown? I don't think you can sit Special K for Fred, Dixon has his role in teams ....would we like to see 4 backs active and Fred only get snaps only on a handful of 3rd and long?

 

I just don't know that there is a right answer here.

 

I hate the Fred is gone, but seeing him inactive might be even worse and cause more problems

[ganesh]

Are there any teams that keep a running back in lineup just because they can pick up the blitz?

Wouldn't they be called Fullbacks?

Was thinking on Sunday how would I have reacted if Fred was on the 53 but not active like Brown? I don't think you can sit Special K for Fred, Dixon has his role in teams ....would we like to see 4 backs active and Fred only get snaps only on a handful of 3rd and long?

 

I just don't know that there is a right answer here.

 

I hate the Fred is gone, but seeing him inactive might be even worse and cause more problems

+1

[prissythecat]

Not going to engage in juvenile BS. fred's combined numbers from the LOS were what on the Bills the past years?

try again. First look them up.

 

Earlier this month, Astro had a pretty cool post on that included some stats for Freddie over past few seasons. Here is a link -> http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/180538-astro-notes-for-preseason/?do=findComment&comment=3666815

 

In it you can clearly see that Freddie's productivity has been in a steady (sometimes steep) decline the past few seasons. Is it really worth it keeping someone because people are emotionally vested in him? Likely not.

Wouldn't they be called Fullbacks?

 

 

Except that Freddy isn't a fullback and fullbacks typically play a much larger role beyond pass blocking.

Edited September 15, 2015 by prissythecat

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

[The Dean]

 

 

Freddie keeping it classy, as usual.

[hondo in seattle]

 

Earlier this month, Astro had a pretty cool post on that included some stats for Freddie over past few seasons. Here is a link -> http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/180538-astro-notes-for-preseason/?do=findComment&comment=3666815

 

In it you can clearly see that Freddie's productivity has been in a steady (sometimes steep) decline the past few seasons. Is it really worth it keeping someone because people are emotionally vested in him? Likely not.

 

Except that Freddy isn't a fullback and fullbacks typically play a much larger role beyond pass blocking.

 

 

You can't truly judge backs by their stats. The scheme, the quality of the blocking, the play-calling all factor in.

 

I once watched Willie Ellison run for 247 yards - the NFL record at the time. Most of you will say, "Who's Willie Ellison?" Good question. He was a mediocre back who played behind an OL that dominated that day.

 

My eyes tell me Fred can still still play. Apparently a SB winning coach agrees because Fred's #2 behind a Pro Bowler in Seattle.

 

But I get the bigger point. Was it wise to let Freddy go considering we had younger, cheaper backs we wanted to keep and still had to find a way to pay Marcel? Not totally sure - but it still upsets me to see Fred in a Seattle uni.