patfitz Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The Bills attempted to get a proven staring tackle in free agency and fell short. Then waited until round 3 to draft Miller who seems undersized and is raw to be an immediate starter. Koundjo really needs to step it up and there is not much to go by other than hope and Henderson lareaduy seems to be in the dog house. If the Bills are going to pound the rock than Whaley really needs to step up and go for Mathis or some other FA and stop trying to plug in retreads. With Williams back surgery and his reputation for being hurt there is not much starting or even backup depth to pave the way fro Shady and company. If we are going to open holes for the running game we need to get a proven tackle besides Cordy Glenn and another guard before it is too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Do you think it's a bit silly to judge players you haven't seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The Bills attempted to get a proven staring tackle in free agency and fell short. Then waited until round 3 to draft Miller who seems undersized and is raw to be an immediate starter. Koundjo really needs to step it up and there is not much to go by other than hope and Henderson lareaduy seems to be in the dog house. If the Bills are going to pound the rock than Whaley really needs to step up and go for Mathis or some other FA and stop trying to plug in retreads. With Williams back surgery and his reputation for being hurt there is not much starting or even backup depth to pave the way fro Shady and company. If we are going to open holes for the running game we need to get a proven tackle besides Cordy Glenn and another guard before it is too late.You lost me at raw to describe Miller. They drafted him because of his intelligence and high floor. He is pretty much the exact opposite of raw so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJuice Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 It's very sad, but this is absolutely on the money (until proven otherwise). Without a QB, the line is essential to achieving average performance on offense. It's super interesting how the outcome here affects Marrone's reputation. Whaley has performed very well in my book, and I definitely maintain a high level of confidence at this relatively early stage of his GM career. This issue is critical on so many levels. Not sure Mathis makes sense. There are too many mouths to feed as it is. I tend to believe the play of the o-line the last few years is somewhat underweighted when it comes to the QB discussion. When guards are literal turnstiles, it makes it really tough to be effective moving the ball. Our guards should be better.....right? If not, it's going to be really frustrating once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I agree Juice. It's sad that you'd agree with a poster who is so blatantly wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Chris Williams is not a factor in this equation. He's obviously gonna get cut. It's gonna be glenn, incognito, wood, miller and whoever wins the battle between cyrus and Henderson and it's going to be a vastly improved line. Barring injury I'd be shocked if it's not a good line. Please stop with this. You talk about whaley not addressing the line- he went all in on the line one year ago and all three were viewed as great value picks at the time. Give the guys a year or two would ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Miller sounds like a perfect fit, so where's the link to the raw part being the case ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Gonna have to wait until the pads come on to see what they got for sure. In the mean time, they are learning against the best D-line in the league. They won't be a top 10 line, but if they can at least get to average, that would be a heck of a lot better than last year, when the team went 9-7. With the talent they've added, and a much improved scheme and coaching, I expect the O to be much better than last year. For 2 years under Marrone and Hacket, the O averaged 21 ppg. The difference last year, is the D went from about 24 to 18 ppg. So they went from a spread of -3 to +3 in ppg. I'll be surprised if the O does not reach 24 ppg this year, and if the D ppg is no worse than last year, that spells playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Gonna have to wait until the pads come on to see what they got for sure. In the mean time, they are learning against the best D-line in the league. They won't be a top 10 line, but if they can at least get to average, that would be a heck of a lot better than last year, when the team went 9-7. With the talent they've added, and a much improved scheme and coaching, I expect the O to be much better than last year. For 2 years under Marrone and Hacket, the O averaged 21 ppg. The difference last year, is the D went from about 24 to 18 ppg. So they went from a spread of -3 to +3 in ppg. I'll be surprised if the O does not reach 24 ppg this year, and if the D ppg is no worse than last year, that spells playoffs. That's a damn fine post right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Miller sounds like a perfect fit, so where's the link to the raw part being the case ? Lots of references to him being "raw" Look for phrases: raw strength, raw power, raw strength and quickness off the snap, etc Raw is not always bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 They'd better get Mathis. OL had a huge share of the responsibility for the QB play. I'd take incognito and Mathis at guard over just about any tandem in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Gonna have to wait until the pads come on to see what they got for sure. In the mean time, they are learning against the best D-line in the league. They won't be a top 10 line, but if they can at least get to average, that would be a heck of a lot better than last year, when the team went 9-7. With the talent they've added, and a much improved scheme and coaching, I expect the O to be much better than last year. For 2 years under Marrone and Hacket, the O averaged 21 ppg. The difference last year, is the D went from about 24 to 18 ppg. So they went from a spread of -3 to +3 in ppg. I'll be surprised if the O does not reach 24 ppg this year, and if the D ppg is no worse than last year, that spells playoffs. I really hope the PPG goes down. Last time Rex's defense had a PPG under 20 was 2010. That was also the last time he had a good offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Do you think it's a bit silly to judge players you haven't seen? I think he should trade names with negativo Miller sounds like a perfect fit, so where's the link to the raw part being the case ? he's a rookie ... duh .... They'd better get Mathis. OL had a huge share of the responsibility for the QB play. I'd take incognito and Mathis at guard over just about any tandem in the league. Would love this but we will do fine either way. I'm not a huge fan of Miller do to smurfitis but I'll have to see how he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I can't be entirely disagree with someone who has a dose of skepticism for trusting the right side a 3 round rookie and the guy who couldn't play his way onto the field before we see contact drills. That said, I am all in. Cyrus was critically mishandled. Miller already looks like a younger, more solid Urbik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 You are the Matt Cassel of thread-starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 It's completely ridiculous that Patfitz starts a thread and pretty much never replies when people call out the horrible logic in his/her/it's posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdogtim Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 It is obvious that petulant is wasting his money on a gm. He should just defer to tbd for personnel decisions and that other stuff. We know that it's hard to win in the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The Bills attempted to get a proven staring tackle in free agency and fell short. Then waited until round 3 to draft Miller who seems undersized and is raw to be an immediate starter. Koundjo really needs to step it up and there is not much to go by other than hope and Henderson lareaduy seems to be in the dog house. If the Bills are going to pound the rock than Whaley really needs to step up and go for Mathis or some other FA and stop trying to plug in retreads. With Williams back surgery and his reputation for being hurt there is not much starting or even backup depth to pave the way fro Shady and company. If we are going to open holes for the running game we need to get a proven tackle besides Cordy Glenn and another guard before it is too late.Stop plugging in retreads? That's exactly what your asking Whaley to do by going after some veteran FA guard. Starting your rookie and second year picks is what you want to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 O-line is, for me, the second biggest question mark, QB has got to be #1. I feel it is far more likely that we get above average play from the starting 5 than we do from the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Curious to see if the OP comes back to this thread to defend his point of view CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts