Chuck Wagon Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I didn't say they were invalid. Re read my post again and then get back to me. You were probably the wrong one to reply to, there are others who are taking the more ridiculous stance that no one not getting paid for their opinion has an informed one. I agree with you that there's a tremendous amount of unknown regarding how this plays out. That was the original intent of my post before I went sideways a bit. There's no real true expert because you simply don't know how these kids are going to respond to their new environment. There's 250+ kids whose worlds got flipped upside down this weekend, most are moving to new unfamiliar cities and most will shortly be seeing more money than they ever have in their entire lives. That's a culture shock for even the most level headed 22 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Gilmore is the only press/man db on team and rexy defenses need them to accomplish the scheme. So they draft A really fast guy with decent size that held opponents to 40% completion in college and was considered the third or fourth best db in the draft? I don't understand the beef... It's a logical pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) Gilmore is the only press/man db on team and rexy defenses need them to accomplish the scheme. So they draft A really fast guy with decent size that held opponents to 40% completion in college and was considered the third or fourth best db in the draft? I don't understand the beef... It's a logical pick its a passing league but somehow people have a fear of drafting a CB high when we only have one under 30 and Rex's scheme leans on them heavily and even average ones in FA cost a boatload. We still got our OG. I don't have an issue because I just wanted to get out of Friday with an upgrade to the OL and we did. Even more logically, whaley has stated repeatedly that he wants to build a roster where he has the ability to redshirt guys and ensure they are ready for the next level. A CB, especially one who will be put on an island like in this scheme, is the hardest position to transition from college to the NFL outside of QB. It is a wise, forward thinking strategy. Obvious holes being plugged by other teams are because their roster was lacking and those make more "sense" initially. We got our OL, TE and big WR. The QBs sucked and we have 4. The draft wasn't splashy from espn a standpoint but the impact could be huge. Edited May 4, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Monkeyhead Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I think that the number of posters with a formed, rationale opinion outnumbers the crazies by about the same factor as the number of unqualified opinions does the qualified. Although you did use the word "amuses", when you chide others' opinions and call them clueless, it kind of reads like someone who's annoyed or bothered by it. Not saying that to pick on you; just saying that it's really easy to get the impression that it bothers you from the tone of your post. I guess I should have been more specific. It amuses me when I read the posts that have "$@&! " and the ones that imply that a pro football team has their head up their asses regarding a pic. You gotta admit most of these posts are from regular joes that have no clue when compared to the pros that are getting paid to make these decisions. Come on, you gotta give me that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 its a passing league but somehow people have a fear of drafting a CB high when we only have one under 30 and Rex's scheme leans on them heavily and even average ones in FA cost a boatload. We still got our OG. I don't have an issue because I just wanted to get out of Friday with an upgrade to the OL and we did. Even more logically, whaley has stated repeatedly that he wants to build a roster where he has the ability to redshirt guys and ensure they are ready for the next level. A CB, especially one who will be put on an island like in this scheme, is the hardest position to transition from college to the NFL outside of QB. It is a wise, forward thinking strategy. Obvious holes being plugged by other teams are because their roster was lacking and those make more "sense" initially. We got our OL, TE and big WR. The QBs sucked and we have 4. The draft wasn't splashy from espn a standpoint but the impact could be huge. Again, for me it was more about the ability of some of the players they passed on (specifically Jake Fisher) than the guy they took. As I said in this thread at the time, I'm sure I'll come around when we get our starting LG in the fold...we probably did that with Miller in round 3, and although I still don't agree with picking Darby, I'm significantly less sour on it than I was at the time. I guess I should have been more specific. It amuses me when I read the posts that have "$@&! " and the ones that imply that a pro football team has their head up their asses regarding a pic. You gotta admit most of these posts are from regular joes that have no clue when compared to the pros that are getting paid to make these decisions. Come on, you gotta give me that! Sure...I didn't intend to marginalize that sentiment. I would never imply that the pros don't know what they're doing (other than John Idzik...how did that guy get to be in charge of a personnel dept?). I've met too many scouts and talked to too many people in the industry to think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Again, for me it was more about the ability of some of the players they passed on (specifically Jake Fisher) than the guy they took. As I said in this thread at the time, I'm sure I'll come around when we get our starting LG in the fold...we probably did that with Miller in round 3, and although I still don't agree with picking Darby, I'm significantly less sour on it than I was at the time. That's pretty much how I feel as well. At the time of the pick, I was livid that's the direction they took with Fisher and AJ Cann still on the board. I'm still not exactly sold on Miller relative to those two guys and wish we would have moved back in the 2nd with news coming out that teams like Baltimore were desperate to jump up, but I can rationalize the age of our other corners and the importance Rex puts on the position in his scheme. At the time (and even still a bit) it felt like the same old Bills drafts I've watched for years, desperately hope a guy is on the board when we pick, he's there and we go in a complete opposite direction while a non-Cleveland AFC North team grabs him (I swear the Bengals-Ravens-Steelers get almost every single guy who makes me say "how is he still on the board?"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Darby was probably a wise pick. There seems to be this idea floating around that we already had great DBs. Maybe it is true that they played well last year, but Gilmore is the only objectively elite player. The rest are only one year removed from being viewed as massive question marks, and could easily regress to their career mean. Lack of DB depth is one of the only things that could scuttle the efforts of every other person on defense, and indeed did so in Rex’ last year with the Jets. Graham and McKelvin being 29, this pick will only be appreciated more over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I've watched every snap Ronald Darby took in college and here are my thoughts: He's blazingly fast, with elite track speed that translates well to the football field. While tackling isn't his strong suit, he's a very willing tackler. He doesn't blow people up (like his DB mate PJ Williams does) but he almost always gets the ball carrier on the ground and very rarely misses tackles. His hands absolutely need work. He only had two career interceptions @ FSU and had several more passes clank directly off his hands. His coverage is very good and thus he was rarely targeted. Darby played fulltime from the second he stepped on campus, getting ACC Defensive Rookie of the Year and was a Freshman All-American. He was almost impossible to complete a pass on his sophomore year. His JR year there was either a lack of a. production of the d-line or b. effort on his part due to not wanting to risk draft status that didnt live up to his Sophomore year production. There was talk of Darby being a back half first round pick, so this is a very good value. I like the pick (I may be a bit biased) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I've watched every snap Ronald Darby took in college and here are my thoughts: He's blazingly fast, with elite track speed that translates well to the football field. While tackling isn't his strong suit, he's a very willing tackler. He doesn't blow people up (like his DB mate PJ Williams does) but he almost always gets the ball carrier on the ground and very rarely misses tackles. His hands absolutely need work. He only had two career interceptions @ FSU and had several more passes clank directly off his hands. His coverage is very good and thus he was rarely targeted. Darby played fulltime from the second he stepped on campus, getting ACC Defensive Rookie of the Year and was a Freshman All-American. He was almost impossible to complete a pass on his sophomore year. His JR year there was either a lack of a. production of the d-line or b. effort on his part due to not wanting to risk draft status that didnt live up to his Sophomore year production. There was talk of Darby being a back half first round pick, so this is a very good value. I like the pick (I may be a bit biased) i didn't do much research on him before the draft but I did afterward and he was the 3rd ranked corner by many analysts behind Peters (who got kicked of his college team) and Trae Waynes (who I think is kind of overrated after watching him in the Big 10 for a few years). Waynes has speed and technique which will allow him to start sooner but he has a tough time with the more physical, sudden WRs. Anyway, I am pretty excited for this kid to get in there with Donnie Henderson and Rex, could be a very big pick for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 There is going to come a time that we are going to be REALLY thankful that Whaley had the forsight to make the Darby pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroi Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 This board cracks me up. I'm holding out and letting the future tell the story as to whether this was a bad pick or not. How many of you scout and evaluate college players for a living? I'd like to see you in a draft room making the decision on who to select. Fans would literally be clueless on these players if they didn't have some writer telling them who has what skills for the NFL and how they fit in the planning of this team. And how many of the writers are dead wrong with their targets? I can see it now, the average fan in the draft room. "Ok I have my Kiper/McShay/Mayock lists here, so I'll start there...." Hilarious What would the trolls and fanboys do without Kiper/McShay/ Maycock prospect lists? The subordinates would be lost.... Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 @JohnMurphyShow: Complete audio: Ronald Darby: "I'm blessed to be a Bill" http://t.co/IlTRTlNsaB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 What would the trolls and fanboys do without Kiper/McShay/ Maycock prospect lists? The subordinates would be lost.... Imo I get what you're saying but I appreciate those guys for what they do. Even from a statistical stadpoint, like you say, most would be lost. I like hearing the different opinions and projections, despite how biased or wrong they might be. I think the disconnect is when people rely on them like they're gold. They give you a base idea that an averag joe wouldn't have but to base a pick on what they say is ridiculous. I do like Mike Mayock though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I get what you're saying but I appreciate those guys for what they do. Even from a statistical stadpoint, like you say, most would be lost. I like hearing the different opinions and projections, despite how biased or wrong they might be. I think the disconnect is when people rely on them like they're gold. They give you a base idea that an averag joe wouldn't have but to base a pick on what they say is ridiculous. I do like Mike Mayock though. We'd have Drafttek, which our own Astrobot contributes at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 There is going to come a time that we are going to be REALLY thankful that Whaley had the forsight to make the Darby pick I think you're right. Most of us know that Ryan's schemes begin with press coverage at the corners so I re-watched the Rose Bowl and although I didn't have an All 22 perspective, it was clear to me that when Mariota saw Darby in single coverage, he made it a point to look there early but was forced to go to his other options more than he wanted to. Darby was in the back pocket of his man all day from what I saw. I know it's only one game, but given who it was against and in the national semis, that was a big time performance. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 @realronalddarby: I want to thank all the analyst for telling me what I can't do. Nothing but straight motivation. All the talk over now. #shhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 @realronalddarby: I want to thank all the analyst for telling me what I can't do. Nothing but straight motivation. All the talk over now. #shhhhh Love it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) D had better be a stone frickin' wall this year... 'Cuz it was pretty dang good lat year with our current corners/safeties... With a glut of chitty QB's on te roster, I KNOW I wouldn't have let Maxx Williams fall to the Ravens @ 55... i think it was a terrible mistake... Then again, I'm not a fan of taking corners high anyway... Gilmore was a 1st, and he's really helped our bottom line, has'nt he? Nothing against Darby (even though he has a tendency for faceguarding) I would never have taken him at 50. -No way. I would have MUCH rather move the chains with my stud TE... JMO Edited May 6, 2015 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 D had better be a stone frickin' wall this year... 'Cuz it was pretty dang good lat year with our current corners/safeties... With a glut of chitty QB's on te roster, I KNOW wouldn't have let Maxx Williams fall to the Ravens @ 55... i think it was a terrible mistake... Then again, I'm not a fan of taking corners high anyway... Gilmore was a 1st, and he's really helped our bottom line, has'nt he? Nothing against Darby (even though he has a tendency for faceguarding) I would never have taken him at 50. -No way. I would have MUCH rather move the chains with my stud TE... JMO You have a stud TE......his name is Clay.....followed closely by another stud TE.....his name is O'Leary And if one of these corners misses time you will thank the stars that Whaley was smart enough to take Darby. And yes....GIlmore was a huge get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 The less the Bills have to depend on Leodis the better. Leodis, to me, has had a couple solid seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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