Kelly the Dog Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 No I don't know how to read. And COUNTING players AND executives, he wasn't the single biggest factor of anything. The AFL-NFL merger didn't happen because he was drafted by 2 different teams from 2 different leagues. So that's STILL a bogus statement. Rozelle was the ONLY factor in this. I was only counting players. So I said counting players. I suppose I could have said only counting players. I'm in total agreement that Pete Rozelle was by far the single biggest factor in the merger. The first Nbc deal, which Ralph helped negotiate was another huge factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Sure, it's wikipedia, but the info is cited from the book "THE OTHER LEAGUE" about the AFL. From the same article: Contrary to common belief, it was not the AFL, but the NFL that initiated discussions for a merger between the two leagues, as it was fearful that Davis' "take no prisoners" tactics would seriously reduce its talent base. Tex Schramm, the general manager of the NFL's Dallas Cowboys since 1960, secretly contacted AFL owners, led by Lamar Hunt of Kansas City, and asked if they were interested in a merger.[4] The talks were conducted without the knowledge of Davis, the new AFL commissioner.[18] On the evening of June 8, 1966, the collaborators announced a merger agreement in New York This was years before SB III (which the Jets won thanks mostly to their defense holding the Colts to 7 points) so Namath really had little to do with the merger, other than signing with the AFL because they paid him more, being the straw that broke the camel's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I was only counting players. So I said counting players. I suppose I could have said only counting players. I'm in total agreement that Pete Rozelle was by far the single biggest factor in the merger. The first Nbc deal, which Ralph helped negotiate was another huge factor. Boy, you sure have wandered off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Al Davis was the one who started signing the NFL QBs. Rozelle went belly up because the AFL was signing all their marquee players.Name one former NFL QB that played for the Raiders. The NFL and AFL did battle for draft picks. Namath was the AFL's biggest win. They pretty much left each other's players alone until the NY Giants signed Pete Gogolak away from the Bills. The gloves were off after that. This one event was the most instrumental in leading to the merger. Namath was great and belongs in HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Boy, you sure have wandered off topic. How do you figure? I'm just responding to posts. A few posters above me said Namath was not worthy being listened to and not worthy of the Hall of Fame. I then responded directly to the posts and gave reasons why he should be in the Hall. Someone else responded to me, saying I was crazy, and I responded to that, saying why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Name one former NFL QB that played for the Raiders. The NFL and AFL did battle for draft picks. Namath was the AFL's biggest win. They pretty much left each other's players alone until the NY Giants signed Pete Gogolak away from the Bills. The gloves were off after that. This one event was the most instrumental in leading to the merger. Namath was great and belongs in HOF. Let me qualify this, although I believe Namath belongs in the Hall, he was never the brightest guy. He once quit football for his partnership in Bachelors Three, a short lived crapy bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Name one former NFL QB that played for the Raiders. The NFL and AFL did battle for draft picks. Namath was the AFL's biggest win. They pretty much left each other's players alone until the NY Giants signed Pete Gogolak away from the Bills. The gloves were off after that. This one event was the most instrumental in leading to the merger. Namath was great and belongs in HOF. From a stats point Namath doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. In terms of him giving the AFL credibility I guess that gives him a little more to look at but as a player on the field he wasn't all that great. I mean he had 3 winning seasons over his 12 year career, barely completed 50% of his passes and his TD to INT ratio was horrible. Granted part of this part of the era he played in but I mean if the Jets lose that Super Bowl does Namath make the HOF? Doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Name one former NFL QB that played for the Raiders. The NFL and AFL did battle for draft picks. Namath was the AFL's biggest win. They pretty much left each other's players alone until the NY Giants signed Pete Gogolak away from the Bills. The gloves were off after that. This one event was the most instrumental in leading to the merger. Namath was great and belongs in HOF. Alex, I'll take - name 3 NFL QB's that played for the Raiders Jeff Hostetler, Jim Plunkett and Kenny Stabler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 How do you figure? I'm just responding to posts. A few posters above me said Namath was not worthy being listened to and not worthy of the Hall of Fame. I then responded directly to the posts and gave reasons why he should be in the Hall. Someone else responded to me, saying I was crazy, and I responded to that, saying why. I also responded to a post and you took huge offense. Yet, here you are off topic. It happens in most every thread, few are badly bothered by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Alex, I'll take - name 3 NFL QB's that played for the Raiders Jeff Hostetler, Jim Plunkett and Kenny Stabler The poster I was replying to stated that it was Al Davis' signing NFL QBs that lead to the merger. Those guys are all well past the merger. And Stabler didn't play for an NFC team until the very end of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 He was the SINGLE biggest factor in the AFL-NFL merger? Total BS and I don't even know where you came up with that BS statement. Just because he was drafted by 2 teams from 2 different leagues doesn't make him the single biggest factor in the merger. . Rozelle was the catalyst of that entire merger as he was the one that even brought this to congress to get an approval and he was the one that led negotiations between all the executives between the 2 leagues. As far as SB3 MVP is considered, Snell was the TRUE MVP of SB 3 by the way. He rode the big SB upset win to the hall of fame. He has no other cred. You don't get into the Hall of Fame because you have a strong arm and NO QB should EVER be accepted into the Hall with a 173-220 TD/INT ratio. Not total BS at all. The ability to attract star players the caliber of Namath led to a lucrative deal with NBC and THAT put them on an even playing field with the NFL in terms of remaining a viable competitive league. Easy to connect the dots. The rest of your anti-Namath rant, particularly with regard to the SB, is a stretch. Namath also said Snell should have won the MVP, by the way. But the voters, and Shell himself, who understood the kind of game Namath called, knew better. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I also responded to a post and you took huge offense. Yet, here you are off topic. It happens in most every thread, few are badly bothered by it. Totally different issue. I don't even recall what that was about, but I wasn't pissed about just going off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Regardless if you agree or disagree with Rex's coaching style. The problem also shows the lack of leadership in the Jets locker room. I don't believe the Bills will have this problem. If a player is out of line and their actions are affecting the team. I believe something will be said and it will be handled internally. Rex needs to find that balance with having the player's back while maintaining discipline. Hopefully, his prior experiences make him a better coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Rex needs to find that balance with having the player's back while maintaining discipline. Hopefully, his prior experiences make him a better coach. I agree with this. As for Namath, I have plenty of my own drunk opinions, so I don't really need his. (That was in poor taste, but it amused me.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 How do you figure? I'm just responding to posts. A few posters above me said Namath was not worthy being listened to and not worthy of the Hall of Fame. I then responded directly to the posts and gave reasons why he should be in the Hall. But can you give us any reasons he's worth listening to? Someone else responded to me, saying I was crazy, and I responded to that, saying why. But you are crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 But can you give us any reasons he's worth listening to? But you are crazy. Of course. Just not that time. And no, not a real good reason to listen to Namath. He wasn't an academic All American at Alabama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Totally different issue. I don't even recall what that was about, but I wasn't pissed about just going off topic. Different how? You're off topic. You certainly did seem peeved to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Of course. Just not that time. And no, not a real good reason to listen to Namath. He wasn't an academic All American at Alabama. Wait, isn't Alabama the Harvard of, well, Alabama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewPort71 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) I keep getting these 2 mixed up Charleston and Charlestown which one has the casino? that one is about 20 miles from where I live. Charlestown is in the eastern panhandle. Charleston is in the western part of WV. Charleston is the state capital Edited April 30, 2015 by LewPort71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) Rex's problem was boring offense more than being a "player coach" you can't get away with calling players fag etc like the old days You mean like Parcells referring to Terry Glenn as "she"? You know, I never watched Namath play, but I read about the SB guarantee and win and how he was a HOF'er and just accepted it. Then I looked at his stats about 5 years ago and especially his SB performance and neither was worthy of making the HOF. Unless I'm missing something, I guess he made it in based on the stuff you mentioned, i.e. his personality. I always thought Namath was overrated. The Bills usually had his number Edited April 30, 2015 by LittleJoeCartwright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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