[closed]Bills interested in TE Charles Clay--update: F5 and stuff

[Rubes]

I imagine it's probably a little easier to sell the Bills to a defensive FA than an offensive FA -- especially a receiver. A little more enticing to come work with a top defense and a top defensive coach, who will almost guarantee success, versus come to work with a really shaky offense, a new coordinator, and a huge question mark at the most important position.

[Jamie Nails]

I imagine it's probably a little easier to sell the Bills to a defensive FA than an offensive FA -- especially a receiver. A little more enticing to come work with a top defense and a top defensive coach, who will almost guarantee success, versus come to work with a really shaky offense, a new coordinator, and a huge question mark at the most important position.

 

Must be the money.

 

Sincerely,

Deion Sanders

[3rdand12]

I imagine it's probably a little easier to sell the Bills to a defensive FA than an offensive FA -- especially a receiver. A little more enticing to come work with a top defense and a top defensive coach, who will almost guarantee success, versus come to work with a really shaky offense, a new coordinator, and a huge question mark at the most important position.

I dont think you paint a pretty picture.

If i were to look closely , i might think a TE under Roman and Rex might be interested. especially if they Pay The Man.

[Zac]

I imagine it's probably a little easier to sell the Bills to a defensive FA than an offensive FA -- especially a receiver. A little more enticing to come work with a top defense and a top defensive coach, who will almost guarantee success, versus come to work with a really shaky offense, a new coordinator, and a huge question mark at the most important position.

 

Are you kidding me? EJ will be checking down to Clay all day!

[Rubes]

 

Must be the money.

 

Sincerely,

Deion Sanders

 

I dont think you paint a pretty picture.

If i were to look closely , i might think a TE under Roman and Rex might be interested. especially if they Pay The Man.

 

Fair enough, but there's a lot of concern around here for not overpaying for talent, but that's what you're saying it comes down to. Sure, we can get anyone if we pay them enough, but how much more is it going to take to lure an offensive player to Buffalo, with the weather and the offensive problems and lack of a QB, versus, say, Miami, where life's a beach, the conditions are great, and there's an established QB? I'm just saying it's a little easier to sell a defensive player than an offensive player, at least at this point in time.

 

 

 

Are you kidding me? EJ will be checking down to Clay all day!

 

Now that's a good argument!

[3rdand12]

 

 

Fair enough, but there's a lot of concern around here for not overpaying for talent, but that's what you're saying it comes down to. Sure, we can get anyone if we pay them enough, but how much more is it going to take to lure an offensive player to Buffalo, with the weather and the offensive problems and lack of a QB, versus, say, Miami, where life's a beach, the conditions are great, and there's an established QB? I'm just saying it's a little easier to sell a defensive player than an offensive player, at least at this point in time.

 

 

 

Now that's a good argument!

you are right. The Offense is yet to show that they are ready for a run.

But they might be good enough with some subtle pieces.

And Clay could be QBs favorite in Romans Offense. ?

[Doc]

I imagine it's probably a little easier to sell the Bills to a defensive FA than an offensive FA -- especially a receiver. A little more enticing to come work with a top defense and a top defensive coach, who will almost guarantee success, versus come to work with a really shaky offense, a new coordinator, and a huge question mark at the most important position.

In Clay's case, it's Miami, there is no state income tax, and he's getting $6M/year. I'd stay if I were him as well.

[YoloinOhio]

In Clay's case, it's Miami, there is no state income tax, and he's getting $6M/year. I'd stay if I were him as well.

He's most likely not getting 6m/yr if he stays with Miami. That's what he wants, and he probably can get that or more if he goes to FA. Miami only has about 4m in cap space and still needs to sign Odrick, I don't think the stars are aligned for him there unless he takes a hometown discount. They aren't a winning team so that usually doesn't happen. Plus I heard the players don't love Regis Philbin down there. That would be some expensive weather if he just wanted to be hot for the three months of the season it is cold in Buffalo or elsewhere.

Edited February 24, 2015 by YoloinOhio

[NoSaint]

He's most likely not getting 6m/yr if he stays with Miami. That's what he wants, and he probably can get that or more if he goes to FA. Miami only has about 4m in cap space and still needs to sign Odrick, I don't think the stars are aligned for him there unless he takes a hometown discount. They aren't a winning team so that usually doesn't happen. Plus I heard the players don't love Regis Philbin down there. That would be some expensive weather if he just wanted to be hot for the three months of the season it is cold in Buffalo or elsewhere.

The taxes alone cover a pretty wide gap between two offers. It's always made me wonder why leagues do not seem to regulate that issue somehow

[eball]

The taxes alone cover a pretty wide gap between two offers. It's always made me wonder why leagues do not seem to regulate that issue somehow

 

I'm curious about this as well. Given the varying state income tax laws it does seem as though certain franchises gain a distinct (and unfair) advantage in recruitment.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I really hope the Bills make a run at this guy

 

 

CBF

[YoloinOhio]

 

I'm curious about this as well. Given the varying state income tax laws it does seem as though certain franchises gain a distinct (and unfair) advantage in recruitment.

with the jock tax they pay taxes on where they play the games so a non state tax state has half their game checks, just home games, without state tax plus any others they end up being scheduled. Teams in other states with state tax can make them whole with bonuses, etc. If it's an issue. The Bills even played 3 games in FL in 2013 the way the schedule worked out. I think it's a bigger deal with NBA and MLB because their contracts are so much bigger.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I think I would rather Clay over Cameron

 

 

Less of an injury concern due to Camerons concussions

 

 

 

CBF

[NoSaint]

with the jock tax they pay taxes on where they play the games so a non state tax state has half their game checks, just home games, without state tax plus any others they end up being scheduled. Teams in other states with state tax can make them whole with bonuses, etc. If it's an issue. The Bills even played 3 games in FL in 2013 the way the schedule worked out. I think it's a bigger deal with NBA and MLB because their contracts are so much bigger.

if clay is a 6m guy, we are still talking about 3m tax free vs taxed. its not peanuts. it seems you could have some small cap adjuster built out that has miami starting with a few percentage points less out of the gate (say about half the average tax rate since only half the games would be at home).

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Clay is pretty much the same build as Cameron only 2 inches shorter

 

same weight

 

 

I want Clay over Cameron

 

 

CBF

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Meh.

 

Is clay really all that good? Looks only like a marginal upgrade over Chandler.

[Maddog69]

I find the timing of this rumor very interesting. On the same day that stories emerge of Clay being close to re-signing with the Dolphins, numerous stories pop up that the Bills are interesting in him. Could it be that the Bills heard Clay was close to a deal with Miami and leaked their interest on purpose to hopefully get Clay to hold off on signing a lesser deal?

[YoloinOhio]

Meh.

 

Is clay really all that good? Looks only like a marginal upgrade over Chandler.

he is a different type of TE. He is more of an H-back hybrid. Roman really likes to use this type of player as you can line him up all over the field and create mismatches. He would not replace Chandler, he would be in addition to Chandler. He's a #1 caliber TE - Gray would be his backup as he is in the mold of Clay, like a poor man's version. Chandler would be TE #2. Roman likes to line up multiple TEs. IMO.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

he is a different type of TE. He is more of an H-back hybrid. Roman really likes to use this type of player as you can line him up all over the field and create mismatches. He would not replace Chandler, he would be in addition to Chandler. He's a #1 caliber TE - Gray would be his backup as he is in the mold of Clay, like a poor man's version. Chandler would be TE #2. Roman likes to line up multiple TEs. IMO.

Thanks-- this is helpful info. Just looking at stats and ocassionally seeing Clay play, I never viewed him as an elite TE. But if you can use him in such a way that he will be an elite TE, then I can be down with this.

[YoloinOhio]

Thanks-- this is helpful info. Just looking at stats and ocassionally seeing Clay play, I never viewed him as an elite TE. But if you can use him in such a way that he will be an elite TE, then I can be down with this.

he isn't elite in terms of Graham and Gronk. But second tier, yes. The top guys are making a lot more than 6 mill. And only 26. He would be a big piece to this offense when you consider, his run blocking ability, the talent on the outside and if they add a RB. I think he would be worth it to the Bills with the offense they want to run. The Pats last year had to put Revis on him.