Augie Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 See my edited post above. It's what I'd call a long-term trend that transcends individual coaches (of which there have been many). Plenty of coaches, and plenty of QB's. Put Brady or Brees in there and things magically improve. Has anyone mentioned we could use an upgrade at QB? I may have heard that somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Who besides Kelly and Lamonica - Fergy? Greg Hardy appears to be a horrible human being: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/07/15/5044910/panthers-greg-hardy-arrives-for.html#.VNFLPyw_x2A . He must not be that bad if they allow him to return to the NFL, he paid his dues sat for a yr now he deserves another chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 He must not be that bad if they allow him to return to the NFL, he paid his dues sat for a yr now he deserves another chance. Did you read the story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 If we get Revis we likely lose McKelvin, hopefully via the trade route. Even if we do not pick up what he is worth. But if we sign Revis to a 15m deal and lose McLuvin's 5, that's like paying Revis 10. And that's a bargain. Rex can manufacture pressure that losing Hughes will require. You can't manufacture blanket coverage. Revis. Gilmore, Graham and Robey in the slot would be ridiculous. And we would still have a lot of money for a OG and TE and veteran QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 If we get Revis we likely lose McKelvin, hopefully via the trade route. Even if we do not pick up what he is worth. But if we sign Revis to a 15m deal and lose McLuvin's 5, that's like paying Revis 10. And that's a bargain. Rex can manufacture pressure that losing Hughes will require. You can't manufacture blanket coverage. Revis. Gilmore, Graham and Robey in the slot would be ridiculous. And we would still have a lot of money for a OG and TE and veteran QB. Don't you have to pay the salary of the trade player for the season he is traded? Or just the guaranteed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Don't you have to pay the salary of the trade player for the season he is traded? Or just the guaranteed? No, of course not. The team he is traded to pays him. You don't even pay the guaranteed money, if there is any left, if the other team picks up the contract. It's not a bad contract at all. You might have to take a small cap hit on McKelvin from his bonus money but I don't recall the bonus being all that big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Did you read the story?What I understand is it's a domestic dispute, he didn't kill her did he? No. Was she afraid for her life yes. Now if the NFL let's him come back I think that's enough for me. Maybe he learned his lesson. Maybe the Pats pk him up and he becomes man of the yr. So if we pk him up for cheap on a 1 yr deal I think it's worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I would like to know (and will probably not find out till the season starts) how much of that bad offense is coaching....... Zac...I am not beating up your post at all....but are you suggesting that our defense wouldnt like to play with a Revis? I mean...just think about it for a minute.....your talking about a player that literally shuts down the other teams best WR.....doesnt matter who it is.....every game. Leaving Gilmore to shut down the number 2 guys.....leaving our 3rd best corner (who is starter quality) to cover the 3rd best and on an on. For many of these offenses its a passing league....you cant pass if no one is open. Hughes has done a fine job ressurecting his career in Buffalo given he was riding the bench with the colts......I love him as a player.....but not at the expense of an absolute game changer on defense. The other thing to consider is this is a Rex Ryan defense.....corners are gonna have to hold their coverage and QB pressure comes from exotic blitz schemes.......having a pure pass rusher like Hughes suddenly is not as big of a need. No, i'm sure they would like to play with Revis, but maybe not at the expense of their friend and teammate not getting paid and leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 No, i'm sure they would like to play with Revis, but maybe not at the expense of their friend and teammate not getting paid and leaving. I think they want to win. Hughes will get paid somewhere. They can still be his friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) I would like to know (and will probably not find out till the season starts) how much of that bad offense is coaching....... Zac...I am not beating up your post at all....but are you suggesting that our defense wouldnt like to play with a Revis? I mean...just think about it for a minute.....your talking about a player that literally shuts down the other teams best WR.....doesnt matter who it is.....every game. Leaving Gilmore to shut down the number 2 guys.....leaving our 3rd best corner (who is starter quality) to cover the 3rd best and on an on. For many of these offenses its a passing league....you cant pass if no one is open. Hughes has done a fine job ressurecting his career in Buffalo given he was riding the bench with the colts......I love him as a player.....but not at the expense of an absolute game changer on defense. The other thing to consider is this is a Rex Ryan defense.....corners are gonna have to hold their coverage and QB pressure comes from exotic blitz schemes.......having a pure pass rusher like Hughes suddenly is not as big of a need. I'm on the Hughes over Revis bandwagon. As far as the bolded part, that sounds like you're talking about Jerry. He's a total game changer and causes havoc for offenses. He rips the football away from people and takes in in the EZ (Clowns game) along with huge sacks. He gets the other guys fired up with his monstrous play. The dude is a freakin' monster. If Jerry leaves he leaves a big hole. I have heard Lawson's name as his replacement. LOL. Dude single handedly cost us the KC game by not staying home on the 2 TD runs. HUGE dropoff. I understand the shut down corner thing, but if you have a guy that rushes the passer like Jerry does, your CBs don't have to be of the shut down variety. We were 3rd against the pass last year with the guys we got. Our offense needs to get a lot better for us to compete. I would prefer to not get Rivas, resign Jerry, and concentrate on the O. Over pay for Iupati, a young pro bowl Guard who has played for Roman. Do whatever you can at QB. Improve the RB position. Improve the TE position. Get more Oline help. We've been going heavy on D since 2010 and it has worked in that now we have a great D. Now it's time to concentrate on getting the O up to snuff. As far as Rex' D NEEDING a shut down corner, I've heard Rex say several time that he will use the guys he HAS to have a strong D. I believe him. Edited February 3, 2015 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 McLuvin's contract is here. He makes 4.9m this year and next. If we trade him we would take a 2m cap hit (I think we could spread over 2 years if we wanted) but wouldn't owe him any money and all of his 4.9 would be paid by the team that traded for him. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/leodis-mckelvin/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I'm on the Hughes over Revis bandwagon. As far as the bolded part, that sounds like you're talking about Jerry. He's a total game changer and causes havoc for offenses. He rips the football away from people and takes in in the EZ (Clowns game) along with huge sacks. He gets the other guys fired up with his monstrous play. The dude is a freakin' monster. If Jerry leaves he leaves a big hole. I have heard Lawson's name as his replacement. LOL. Dude single handedly cost us the KC game by not staying home on the 2 TD runs. HUGE dropoff. I understand the shut down corner thing, but if you have a guy that rushes the passer like Jerry does, your CBs don't have to be of the shut down variety. We were 3rd against the pass last year with the guys we got. Our offense needs to get a lot better for us to compete. I would prefer to not get Rivas, resign Jerry, and concentrate on the O. Over pay for Iupati, a young pro bowl Guard who has played for Roman. Do whatever you can at QB. Improve the RB position. Improve the TE position. Get more Oline help. We've been going heavy on D since 2010 and it has worked in that now we have a great D. Now it's time to concentrate on getting the O up to snuff. As far as Rex' D NEEDING a shut down corner, I've heard Rex say several time that he will use the guys he HAS to have a strong D. I believe him. Lets be real here..... Hughes is a fine player but he plays next to 3 guys who are pro bowl quality players year in year out......he FEEDS off that and he does his job and makes great plays. Do you honestly think Hughes does this if he is playing with a sub par DL? Revis is on another level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 No, of course not. The team he is traded to pays him. You don't even pay the guaranteed money, if there is any left, if the other team picks up the contract. It's not a bad contract at all. You might have to take a small cap hit on McKelvin from his bonus money but I don't recall the bonus being all that big. That's what I was thinking, you take a cap hit on the guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 That's what I was thinking, you take a cap hit on the guaranteed. The total cap hit is 2m or 1m for two straight years. That's nothing. It's not on the guaranteed money it's on the bonus money. He got a 4m signing bonus which was paid up front when he signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) If we get Revis we likely lose McKelvin, hopefully via the trade route. Even if we do not pick up what he is worth. But if we sign Revis to a 15m deal and lose McLuvin's 5, that's like paying Revis 10. And that's a bargain. Rex can manufacture pressure that losing Hughes will require. You can't manufacture blanket coverage. Revis. Gilmore, Graham and Robey in the slot would be ridiculous. And we would still have a lot of money for a OG and TE and veteran QB. At that point though, since the cap savings on McKelvin would be 2.9 million, retaining him would be like signing him for $2.9 million. Wouldn't he still be worth that, even as a #3? Edited February 4, 2015 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Let's not forget that there's a chance that Bills lose Searcy. I'm not fully sold on Duke Williams. A Revis signing would move Graham to S, and they still keep Leodis for the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 At that point though, since the cap savings on McKelvin would be 2.9 million, retaining him would be like signing him for $2.9 million. Wouldn't he still be worth that, even as a #3? It depends on if you think he is significantly better than Graham, plus what you may be able to get for him in a trade, plus the cap hit of two mil can be amortized over 2 years so it would be cap savings of 3.9 each of the two years. With that 3 m you could probably get most of Spiller if you want. Or cut Urbik and get a 6m OG to replace him. I'm not sure you want to spend 3m on a #4 CB (even if you play him instead of Graham then you are putting Graham at #4 who gets paid more than that. We have plenty of cap space, it just depends on how many new guys they want to bring in. And how many of the second level FA they want to re-sign like Spikes, Searcy, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 My fear is that we let Hughes walk because we think we have a shot at Revis. Then Revis turns around and resigns with the Pats and we don't end up with either. Could happen and that's what worries me here. A Hughes in the hand is worth a Revis in the bush!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negativo Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 My fear is that we let Hughes walk because we think we have a shot at Revis. Then Revis turns around and resigns with the Pats and we don't end up with either. Could happen and that's what worries me here. A Hughes in the hand is worth a Revis in the bush!? !@#$ that ****. With no significant cap space on offense to weigh us down, let's go balls out and sign both Revis and Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I'm glad WGR decided to pull their content straight off of here. That topic has been discussed for a week or more here. They are terrible.They absolutely come to TBD for show topics. They'd be stupid not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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