truth on hold Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Tiger Woods shoots 82 at Phoenix http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/12253960/tiger-woods-struggling-again-waste-management-phoenix-open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 He's getting closer to my usual score. Think its time for me to go for the pro tour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 That short game was a complete hack. Thats why I think this may be it for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Short game is all mental. Unless he's lost the will to win he'll be ok. He was Player of the Year two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Short game is all mental. Unless he's lost the will to win he'll be ok. He was Player of the Year two years ago.I thought golers say when you get the short game yips you're done. And maybe that's why. Correcting something mental is harder than physical technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Amazing how quickly the body falls apart at 40 when you take PEDs in your 20s and 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Amazing how quickly the body falls apart at 40 when you take PEDs in your 20s and 30s. That's a bingo!! Not to mention the beating the human body endures when you're banging hundreds of filthy scumbag whores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewPort71 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 That's a bingo!! Not to mention the beating the human body endures when you're banging hundreds of filthy scumbag whores. ** and getting wacked by a 9 iron by, now, ex-wife that Thanksgiving weekend.** Tiger was player of year....now he has to work like heck to be Comeback player of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Tiger Woods shoots 82 at Phoenix http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/12253960/tiger-woods-struggling-again-waste-management-phoenix-open Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Amazing how quickly the body falls apart at 40 when you take PEDs in your 20s and 30s. A well placed golf club to the head by an irate missus might slow up mental acuity just a bit. That's when the very sudden decline happened. Not to mention the beating the human body endures when you're banging hundreds of filthy scumbag whores. Tiger probably does need to boil himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 yes. the 82 coupled with this http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/01/27/tiger-woods-on-missing-tooth-there-was-blood-everywhere/ are not compatible with winning majors. it seems he needs to go back to his old skirt chasing ways to regain his prowess. still, he was something to behold in his prime. the pga from valhalla in 2000, where bob may and he lapped the field by 5 strokes and then tiger barely beat the red hot everyman in a playoff is one of my favorite pga memories. some friend of mine were close enough to hear him say to his caddie "i'm gonna need to use the cart path on this" and his chip did exactly that setting up an important tap in. requires supreme confidence that i doubt he can muster any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 He's been done for years... This shouldn't really be news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 One of the most dominant athletes ever. Sadly, I think he's regressed and not just because he's getting older. I never understood a lot of his 'soul searching' on the golf course. Guy wins a boatload of Grand slams and then radically overhauls his swing....fires multiple coaches etc. All this to 'try and get better.' He was living in the 'zone' and should have worked extremely hard to stay there. Instead, he ripped his swing down and changed it....twice. All the other stuff (women) and alleged stuff (PED's) are potential contributors. Injuries too....though he still seems a 'cut' above the majority of golfers in terms of his physical shape. I recently heard him commenting on how his swing speed is 'way up' again. This, to me, is evidence that he is ok physically. He just seems to (dare I say) crumble early and often in tournaments now. Part of this is because he was so ridiculously good that the bar is 'too high.' As a poster said above, he was PGA tour player of the year two years ago. That said....it's been an eternity (based on Tiger's own criteria) since he's won a major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwchze Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 How about the players coming up are phenomenal...the equipment is crazy. I was a 20 handicapp until i upgraded my equipment a few years ago. now I am a 14...Its crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopsGuy Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 How about the players coming up are phenomenal...the equipment is crazy. I was a 20 handicapp until i upgraded my equipment a few years ago. now I am a 14...Its crazy I had the same experience but even more dramatic. I had 15 year-old Titleist DCI golds. My 5 iron snapped at the hosel, so my next round the pro at the club where I worked (as a bartender) let me borrow a demo Nike Covert. I didn't need to use it until the 18th. I smoked it 35 yards over the green. He sold me the set at cost. He ended up hiring me in the pro shop until the course was sold. Took a while but I'm a 15 now. I've been as low as a 12. As far as Tiger goes, I don't know. Those chipping yips are awful. I had a deceleration problem for a long time until someone gave me an impromptu lesson & said the magic words, "Hit it like you're striking a match." Best golf advice I've ever got. Eldridge may never be the same. I went to 2 rounds of the ladies in Ocala this week. They play a completely different game. Great tempo swings & very deliberate approaches - I thought they played very slow. Michelle Wei is really tall... saw her get a quick lesson from David Ledbetter. Cheyenne Woods can BOMB it. Lydia Ko marches the course like a little kid (she's my new favorite). I'm going to watch more womens' golf. Also, I have to get myself on this course. They have a few replica holes like 12 & 13 at Augusta & 17 at St. Andrew's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) I had the same experience but even more dramatic. I had 15 year-old Titleist DCI golds. My 5 iron snapped at the hosel, so my next round the pro at the club where I worked (as a bartender) let me borrow a demo Nike Covert. I didn't need to use it until the 18th. I smoked it 35 yards over the green. He sold me the set at cost. He ended up hiring me in the pro shop until the course was sold. Took a while but I'm a 15 now. I've been as low as a 12. As far as Tiger goes, I don't know. Those chipping yips are awful. I had a deceleration problem for a long time until someone gave me an impromptu lesson & said the magic words, "Hit it like you're striking a match." Best golf advice I've ever got. Eldridge may never be the same. I went to 2 rounds of the ladies in Ocala this week. They play a completely different game. Great tempo swings & very deliberate approaches - I thought they played very slow. Michelle Wei is really tall... saw her get a quick lesson from David Ledbetter. Cheyenne Woods can BOMB it. Lydia Ko marches the course like a little kid (she's my new favorite). I'm going to watch more womens' golf. Also, I have to get myself on this course. They have a few replica holes like 12 & 13 at Augusta & 17 at St. Andrew's. re: chipping yips. Is this really awful and the biggest threat to his career yet, or are we just too focused on him and most pros go thru rough spots like this? When I saw the vids from friday my initial thought was the former, but I think there are more informed / active golfers like yourself. I don't recall other top guys looking like a 25 handicap like that. But I don't play or watch much. It was just all too familiar to the hacks I go out with (myself included) a few times a year Edited February 1, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 One of the most dominant athletes ever. Sadly, I think he's regressed and not just because he's getting older. I never understood a lot of his 'soul searching' on the golf course. Guy wins a boatload of Grand slams and then radically overhauls his swing....fires multiple coaches etc. All this to 'try and get better.' He was living in the 'zone' and should have worked extremely hard to stay there. Instead, he ripped his swing down and changed it....twice. All the other stuff (women) and alleged stuff (PED's) are potential contributors. Injuries too....though he still seems a 'cut' above the majority of golfers in terms of his physical shape. I recently heard him commenting on how his swing speed is 'way up' again. This, to me, is evidence that he is ok physically. He just seems to (dare I say) crumble early and often in tournaments now. Part of this is because he was so ridiculously good that the bar is 'too high.' As a poster said above, he was PGA tour player of the year two years ago. That said....it's been an eternity (based on Tiger's own criteria) since he's won a major. This is exactly it! The swing changes were sooooo stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 . As far as Tiger goes, I don't know. Those chipping yips are awful. I had a deceleration problem for a long time until someone gave me an impromptu lesson & said the magic words, "Hit it like you're striking a match." Best golf advice I've ever got. Eldridge may never be the same. the top 10 in pga sand saves this year are all over 70%. the top player is at 90%. there's no measured stat for up and downs inside 20 yards that i'm aware of but i'll bet it's better than for sand saves. you can't make it on the tour "yipping" chips with any regularity (especially if you mean by yipping, blading or chili dipping). as they advertise, these guys are good. and as you said, they play a different game from the rest of us. when you hit it 325, you damn well better be very, very good with all your wedges. you shouldn't even be considering deceleration on impact as a possibility. (btw, i'm fought that last season and may opt for a lofted putter head "chipper" this year if i can withstand my friends teasing- they'll stop if i take their money with it). as others have said this problem is most likely in his head. he knows the mechanics probably as well as anyone.. he has the muscle memory. i think that makes it even harder to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopsGuy Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 the top 10 in pga sand saves this year are all over 70%. the top player is at 90%. there's no measured stat for up and downs inside 20 yards that i'm aware of but i'll bet it's better than for sand saves. you can't make it on the tour "yipping" chips with any regularity (especially if you mean by yipping, blading or chili dipping). as they advertise, these guys are good... When I was really struggling with my short game, I reached out to a friend that was a former teaching pro. He gave me a couple of drills that really helped. The thing he told me that really made an impact: "I hate to practice, hate it. But I hate more to play poorly. So I practice. And I practice chipping & putting 80% of the time. That way, even if I'm hitting it like dogsh*t, I know I can still make par." He got me on PGA National 20 years ago. Good guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 stick a fork in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 He was Player of the Year two years ago. Death rattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 One of the most dominant athletes ever. Sadly, I think he's regressed and not just because he's getting older. I never understood a lot of his 'soul searching' on the golf course. Guy wins a boatload of Grand slams and then radically overhauls his swing....fires multiple coaches etc. All this to 'try and get better.' He was living in the 'zone' and should have worked extremely hard to stay there. Instead, he ripped his swing down and changed it....twice. All the other stuff (women) and alleged stuff (PED's) are potential contributors. Injuries too....though he still seems a 'cut' above the majority of golfers in terms of his physical shape. I recently heard him commenting on how his swing speed is 'way up' again. This, to me, is evidence that he is ok physically. He just seems to (dare I say) crumble early and often in tournaments now. Part of this is because he was so ridiculously good that the bar is 'too high.' As a poster said above, he was PGA tour player of the year two years ago. That said....it's been an eternity (based on Tiger's own criteria) since he's won a major. My father was a scratch golfer in his prime, and is a golf fanatic still. When Woods started, his impression was that Tiger's back wouldn't hold up. I think he was, in retrospect, correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Nicklaus predicted Tiger's body wouldn't hold up a long time ago. I think he's done as a serious contender in most events, but might have a "flash" or two left in him. He won't break Jack's record for major wins. Tiger was, without question, one of the most dominating performers of all time in any sport during his heyday. We're lucky to have had a chance to watch him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 My father was a scratch golfer in his prime, and is a golf fanatic still. When Woods started, his impression was that Tiger's back wouldn't hold up. I think he was, in retrospect, correct. Violent swing for sure. It was fun because Woods was one of the few guys on the planet who could 'swing his guts out' and still hit it where he wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 torrey pines this week will be a good indicator of his potential to come back. he grew up playing this course and walks around the tracks there like he's in his own backyard. if he can't compete there and it really is a mental issue, i don't see him coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 torrey pines this week will be a good indicator of his potential to come back. he grew up playing this course and walks around the tracks there like he's in his own backyard. if he can't compete there and it really is a mental issue, i don't see him coming back. Good points all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 2 over after 11 and did not finish. leader at 7 under. he's finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Nicklaus predicted Tiger's body wouldn't hold up a long time ago. I think he's done as a serious contender in most events, but might have a "flash" or two left in him. He won't break Jack's record for major wins. Tiger was, without question, one of the most dominating performers of all time in any sport during his heyday. We're lucky to have had a chance to watch him. All true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) Wow... Golf is a hard game. The toll it takes on one's body is incredible. He's probably wishing he was swinging a hammer on a roof @ 40 for 10 hours a day, his body would have held up much better. But no! He picks the grueling game of golf! Boy did he pick the wrong profession. Those Thursdays to Sunday tee-times are an absolute nightmare! Oh BTW, stick a fork in him. :-P Edited February 6, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Wow... Golf is a hard game. The toll it takes on one's body is incredible. He's probably wishing he was swinging a hammer on a roof @ 40 for 10 hours a day, his body would have held up much better. But no! He picks the grueling game of golf! Boy did he pick the wrong profession. Those Thursdays to Sunday tee-times are an absolute nightmare! Oh BTW, stick a fork in him. :-P actually, it's a pretty tough career choice. for every tiger there are 10000 wannabes that beg, borrow or steal the gas and hotel money to get to the next stop on the nike or hooters or whatever they call it this year tour. the rest are cozying up to demanding curmudgeons trying to make scores there bodies surpassed years ago. and then there's the problem that less people are playing or are even interested. yup. the hammer or wrench are much better bets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Not only does the guy/did the guy have a very violent swing that isn't good for longevity - but while he was going out and banging whores for years, he was also doing INTENSE training with navy seals, which also is NOT good for physical longevity woods even considered quitting golf (while he was dominating the game) and trying to become a navy seal, hank Haney talked him out of quitting golf and joining up....and his ACL tear was a result of skydiving while training with seals Anyone who plays golf knows the game is more mental than any other sport, and tiger is arguably the most intense mental mind in the game...and that mental game works both ways. When your playing lights out, your unbeatable, and that feeds your positive mentality and perpetuates the good play. Right now, along with the physical issues woods is having (or playing up to a certain degree), his intense mentality is certainly negative and that is exacerbating his poor play. Bad shots spiral out of control on him and ruin rounds (82). Not having a consistent, comfortable swing only adds on to it. So yes, I think Tiger is most likely done. Will he win some more tourneys? I would think so. Will he win any more majors? I'd be surprised (and I hope like hell I am surprised because golf is even more enjoyable when tiger is in the hunt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Wow... Golf is a hard game. The toll it takes on one's body is incredible. He's probably wishing he was swinging a hammer on a roof @ 40 for 10 hours a day, his body would have held up much better. But no! He picks the grueling game of golf! Boy did he pick the wrong profession. Those Thursdays to Sunday tee-times are an absolute nightmare! Oh BTW, stick a fork in him. :-P The ignorance of this post is stunning, unless it was meant 100% as sarcasm (which I doubt). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 actually, it's a pretty tough career choice. for every tiger there are 10000 wannabes that beg, borrow or steal the gas and hotel money to get to the next stop on the nike or hooters or whatever they call it this year tour. the rest are cozying up to demanding curmudgeons trying to make scores there bodies surpassed years ago. and then there's the problem that less people are playing or are even interested. yup. the hammer or wrench are much better bets. It's not all bad. A lot of them end up as country club pros and get to nail hot married women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 oh my aching back The bets went from Will Tiger Win a Major to Will Tiger Win a Tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Still owes ex-wife $54,000,000: http://www.foxsports.com/golf/story/tiger-woods-elin-nordegren-divorce-54-million-020515 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Oh yes CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 The ignorance of this post is stunning, unless it was meant 100% as sarcasm (which I doubt). Busted! Trust me, I'd rather be scratching for the gas money and playing golf into my 40's than roofing a house. Like KD said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Not only does the guy/did the guy have a very violent swing that isn't good for longevity - but while he was going out and banging whores for years, he was also doing INTENSE training with navy seals, which also is NOT good for physical longevity woods even considered quitting golf (while he was dominating the game) and trying to become a navy seal, hank Haney talked him out of quitting golf and joining up....and his ACL tear was a result of skydiving while training with seals Anyone who plays golf knows the game is more mental than any other sport, and tiger is arguably the most intense mental mind in the game...and that mental game works both ways. When your playing lights out, your unbeatable, and that feeds your positive mentality and perpetuates the good play. Right now, along with the physical issues woods is having (or playing up to a certain degree), his intense mentality is certainly negative and that is exacerbating his poor play. Bad shots spiral out of control on him and ruin rounds (82). Not having a consistent, comfortable swing only adds on to it. So yes, I think Tiger is most likely done. Will he win some more tourneys? I would think so. Will he win any more majors? I'd be surprised (and I hope like hell I am surprised because golf is even more enjoyable when tiger is in the hunt) Agree his over training was likely a major factor in his decline. Body can only take so much. I read before rounds of tournament golf he'd jog 5 miles. Ridiculous Edited February 7, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Tiger Woods takes indefinite leave from golf The soap opera that has become Tiger Woods' life took another shadowy turn Wednesday when he announced he was taking an indefinite leave of absence from competitive golf to work on his floundering game. http://www.tampabay.com/sports/golf/tiger-woods-takes-indefinite-leave-from-golf/2217376 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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