YoloinOhio Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) This. The only reason people rate him is because of the mediocrity around the league that makes him look better by comparison. his stats are misleading as well. He throws for a lot of yards because his defense is abysmal and they are always playing from behind. Yet when the Bears had a top 5 a few years ago he still didn't make the playoffs. He has made the playoffs once in his nine year career! Why would we think he will make us a playoff team? Also he has 24 turnovers in 15 games. 24! Edited December 20, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Send a 4th for their second for him! Do it! Heck, I'd make them give up a 1st or no deal. Then we could take another rookie QB in the draft and can Cutler....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 thats a ton of money to eat. It's essentially a two year deal right? You bring him in with the right oc who can handle him and not make him do much. If they are offering a 2nd rounder I'd bite on that to grab a qb there or some o line help or a te. It's a crazy idea but something crazy is going to happen with this deal. We have the offensive weapons and the defense You might be right-- I didn't realize the 2015 cap hit to them would be like $19 mill, if they cut him! I think the only way this would work out for the Bears is if they traded him and agreed to take on at least half of that salary. Or, I wonder if Cutler would be amenable to restructuring upon execution of a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 his stats are misleading as well. He throws for a lot of yards because his defense is abysmal and they are always playing from behind. Yet when the Bears had a top 5 a few years ago he still didn't make the playoffs. He has made the playoffs once in his nine year career! Why would we think he will make us a playoff team? Also he has 24 turnovers in 15 games. 24! You don't think he racks up turn overs because he plays from behind as well. And he went to the NFC Chip game with a top 5 D. That's probably why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) I misread your post. But you need to explain your leap of logic on "how we feel" about Cutler if we were 5-9. Makes little sense to me, mostly because, like you said, we aren't 5-9. What I was saying is if Cutler had the season he just had as a Bill we would run him out of town. But inexplicably some here see him as an upgrade. Don't understand that at all. Just like I don't understand the love for Sam Bradford, who I see as a huge bust. Edited December 20, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 You don't think he racks up turn overs because he plays from behind as well. And he went to the NFC Chip game with a top 5 D. That's probably why. no I think he fails to elevate those around him. They had a good D for longer than just that one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 The Bears have been ready to win now for years. Maybe I can make it simpler for you. Do we win more games with Cutler or do they win more games with Orton, right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 we do have a 4th rounder. Unless brown meets his production qualifiers (doubt it but we don't know what they are), the pick we gave Philly for him goes to 2016. Actually if Stevie hits his, it's a 3rd rounder this year. I suspect that the reason Johnson has been phased out of the Niners offense lately is because a) they aren't going anywhere and b) they don't want to give up a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 What I was saying is if Cutler had the season he just had as a Bill we would run him out of town. But inexplicably some here see him as an upgrade. Don't understand that at all. Just like I don't understand the love for Sam Bradford, who I see as a huge bust. But that's just it he's not 5-9 with us, but he is with them and they are a terrible team. You don't understand at all why folks would think Cutler is an upgrade over Orton - just comparing the two QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Jay Cutler is a loser. He's lost everywhere he's been. Now, why, exactly, would you trade for him? Because the QBs on our roster now are much bigger losers! That's why. And because a slightly better than average QB like Cutler is the difference between being in the playoffs and not. If you can come up with someone better, I'm all ears. Barring that, I'd take Cutler and a 2nd round draft pick in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 The Bears have been ready to win now for years. the bears defense has been terrible for 2 years...in 2012 it was top 5 and they won 10 games but missed the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 What I was saying is if Cutler had the season he just had as a Bill we would run him out of town. But inexplicably some here see him as an upgrade. Don't understand that at all. Just like I don't understand the love for Sam Bradford, who I see as a huge bust. So what? Explain to me what the "masses" has to do with what I am saying? Also explain to me how the Bills franchise and the Bears are similar. Do they both have similar needs? Are they both about to undergo a total rebuild? Are they both about to fire their HC? The situations, needs, and outcomes are completely different. Trying to fan-blame, as always, is ridiculous. Do agree on Bradford though, the extrapolation argument holds no water with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I suspect that the reason Johnson has been phased out of the Niners offense lately is because a) they aren't going anywhere and b) they don't want to give up a 3rd. i didn't realize that... Very well could be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 What I was saying is if Cutler had the season he just had as a Bill we would run him out of town. But inexplicably some here see him as an upgrade. Don't understand that at all. Just like I don't understand the love for Sam Bradford, who I see as a huge bust. It's because people are desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 no I think he fails to elevate those around him. They had a good D for longer than just that one year. And that's why firing Lovie was a huge mistake. Because they thought that Cutler was Brady. Anyway, Cutler had 3 winning seasons out of 5 with Lovie. Two of them were 10-6. One playoff appearance, which was an NFC Chip. So he's proven he can go to a playoff with a good D. Has Orton? I know he can't elevate, which is why he's available. But Orton is throwing picks on check-downs. I'll take Jay throwing picks on 50/50 jump balls over that. Also, IMO, he's a better passer and has more guts than KO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 You think so? He's so good that the Bears have to bribe teams to take him off their hands. Try this. Imagine Cutler as a Bills QB and look at his record. How do you feel about him now? It isn't about him being an elite QB, it is that he is a clear upgrade to what we have. The reason they have to bribe teams to take him off their hands is because of the heavy contract. He just isn't worth the contract. That doesn't mean he isn't an NFL QB. That said, unless his contract changes dramatically, I say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 And that's why firing Lovie was a huge mistake. Because they thought that Cutler was Brady. Anyway, Cutler had 3 winning seasons out of 5 with Lovie. Two of them were 10-6. One playoff appearance, which was an NFC Chip. So he's proven he can go to a playoff with a good D. Has Orton? I know he can't elevate, which is why he's available. But Orton is throwing picks on check-downs. I'll take Jay throwing picks on 50/50 jump balls over that. Also, IMO, he's a better passer and has more guts than KO. i want to aim higher than no playoffs. 10-6 and no playoffs isn't good enough for that contract. no use comparing him to Orton, at least for me. I don't want him either. And don't ask who I want, because I really don't know who the best guy is for this team who is obtainable. I'll leave that to the pro scouting dept. I just know I hope it's not Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 i want to aim higher than no playoffs. 10-6 and no playoffs isn't good enough for that contract. no use comparing him to Orton, at least for me. I don't want him either. And don't ask who I want, because I really don't know who the best guy is for this team who is obtainable. I'll leave that to the pro scouting dept. I just know I hope it's not Cutler. I think Cutler is the best QB available, and it's not even close. But the contract does throw a wrench in the works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 It isn't about him being an elite QB, it is that he is a clear upgrade to what we have. The reason they have to bribe teams to take him off their hands is because of the heavy contract. He just isn't worth the contract. That doesn't mean he isn't an NFL QB. That said, unless his contract changes dramatically, I say no. wondering why the Bears don't just fire the DC (should have done that last year) bring in a new DC, and revamp the D in FA and the draft and hang onto Cutler then? They have some decent talent on the DL in Paea and Young and a great young CB in Fuller. Vereen was a decent pick at FS but Conte sucks. Go get a safety in FA and another CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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