westerndecline Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I guarantee Pruitt told all his employees to just play Tetris and recycle after that many of them left LOL So glad the psycho epa was dismantled Also like many bloated government bureaucracy why the f*** does the EPA have 15,000 employees it should be maybe 500 Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 These prevalent record freezing temps of course prove its global warming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 hours ago, row_33 said: These prevalent record freezing temps of course prove its global warming. The record man-made increase in temperatures is just hiding somewhere the consensus of climate scientists aren't looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Climate stuff is like when Barry Melrose was on the pre-game show "Of course everyone knows that the Islanders are going to easily beat the Rangers tonight!!!" and when the Rangers won he would say on the post-game show "Of course everyone knew that the Rangers would easily beat the Islanders tonight." Like temperature and stock market fluctuation, something has to happen, so the expert is always right, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 31 minutes ago, row_33 said: Climate stuff is like when Barry Melrose was on the pre-game show "Of course everyone knows that the Islanders are going to easily beat the Rangers tonight!!!" and when the Rangers won he would say on the post-game show "Of course everyone knew that the Rangers would easily beat the Islanders tonight." Like temperature and stock market fluctuation, something has to happen, so the expert is always right, right? Whatever it is, it's hiding in the ocean where we can't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 That record snowfall in Erie could be because of global warming. Warmer lake means more snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Tiberius said: That record snowfall in Erie could be because of global warming. Warmer lake means more snow Whenever in the winter when Lake Erie isn't frozen, there's a good chance of lake effect snow. Very cold air is crossing the "warm" water picking up moisture and dumping snow on the south shore of Lake Erie. The direction of the wind determines where the snow is dropped. In Erie they measure snowfall at the airport which is only 12 blocks from the lake. If the wind was directly out of the North then they would be reporting maybe 6" instead of 63"and south towards I-90 and beyond would be getting hammered. The wind had to have been out of the NW because it hit the shore hard along with points south. This snowfall was not a function of abnormally warm lake water but abnormally cold air and direction of the wind, but probably more importantly this happens here in winter to some extent every year because it is winter. It is not because of some political religion called "global warming". Edited December 28, 2017 by 3rdnlng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 36 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Whenever in the winter when Lake Erie isn't frozen, there's a good chance of lake effect snow. Very cold air is crossing the "warm" water picking up moisture and dumping snow on the south shore of Lake Erie. The direction of the wind determines where the snow is dropped. In Erie they measure snowfall at the airport which is only 12 blocks from the lake. If the wind was directly out of the North then they would be reporting maybe 6" instead of 63"and south towards I-90 and beyond would be getting hammered. The wind had to have been out of the NW because it hit the shore hard along with points south. This snowfall was not a function of abnormally warm lake water but abnormally cold air and direction of the wind, but probably more importantly this happens here in winter to some extent every year because it is winter. It is not because of some political religion called "global warming". Actually, climate models have predicted that on average the Great Lakes would have snowier winters due to global warming. The key point most ****heads like gatorman miss being that "on average" is not equal to "Erie, PA on December 26, 2017." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: That record snowfall in Erie could be because of global warming. Warmer lake means more snow In order for a scientific theory to be legit has to be a thing called falsifiable if anything can be global warming then how the hell do we know if its global warming duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, westerndecline said: In order for a scientific theory to be legit has to be a thing called falsifiable if anything can be global warming then how the hell do we know if its global warming duh Non sequiter, moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Just now, DC Tom said: Non sequiter, moron. Thank you for your service 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 it was -20 Global Warming is to blame it was 20 Global Warming is to blame it was 0 Global Warming is to blame it snowed 6 feet Global Warming is to blame it snowed 3 inches Global Warming is to blame it didn't snow at all Global Warming is to blame this is fun!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 47 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Actually, climate models have predicted that on average the Great Lakes would have snowier winters due to global warming. The key point most ****heads like gatorman miss being that "on average" is not equal to "Erie, PA on December 26, 2017." Well sure, if the lake doesn't freeze over NW PA and WNY are going to have on average more snowfall. Early cold snaps with wind off the lake are a blessing in disguise if it's cold enough, long enough for the lake to freeze. Once that happens we'll get just what everyone else in the NE gets. Regardless, one way or the other this area is going to get its share of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 hours ago, row_33 said: it was -20 Global Warming is to blame it was 20 Global Warming is to blame it was 0 Global Warming is to blame it snowed 6 feet Global Warming is to blame it snowed 3 inches Global Warming is to blame it didn't snow at all Global Warming is to blame this is fun!! Actually its not even FALSIFIABLE lol -20 gw 0 gw 50 gw Hail gw Drought gw 105 gw No hurricanes gw Record hurricanes gw The **** u take after eating wings... Gw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Trump trolls the Church of Climate Change and liberals flail about in hysterics like a trout on the dock. http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/28/politics/trump-global-warming-tweet/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Trump trolls the Church of Climate Change and liberals flail about in hysterics like a trout on the dock. http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/28/politics/trump-global-warming-tweet/index.html Its too hilarious CNN falls for it every time lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I took out a frozen TV dinner, Salisbury steak, and put it in the oven set to 375. and the TV dinner got colder still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 End of the year news..................... SOME GREENHOUSE GOOD NEWS: World’s biggest nuclear plant gets long-awaited OK. GLOBAL WARMING FILMS FLOP AT BOX OFFICE IN 2017: NASA readies Clipper mission to Europa. ...........Attempt No Landing There. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/01/04/trump-administration-plans-to-allow-drilling-off-all-u-s-waters/?utm_term=.971cf50b8aa6 drill baby drill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 This unusual horrible winter freeze is just a blip and will have to be taken out of the data in order to get results that fit the global warming model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Has the ice age arrived? With all this cold and frozen water mains in DC I predict infrastructure jobs this spring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 In the 1970s the same type of con artists were warning about a coming ice age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I’m not a science man. I’m an educated man, though. What my education taught me was that the overwhelming majority of scientists state that global warming is manmade and bad. Now, if the experts are overwhelmingly convinced of something I’m gonna follow their lead and take the issue seriously. I really wish pollution wasn’t so politicized in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: . I really wish pollution wasn’t so politicized in America. I really wish science wasn't so politicized in America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: I’m not a science man. I’m an educated man, though. What my education taught me was that the overwhelming majority of scientists state that global warming is manmade and bad. Now, if the experts are overwhelmingly convinced of something I’m gonna follow their lead and take the issue seriously. I really wish pollution wasn’t so politicized in America. I'm an educated man, and a "science man," and know of plenty of examples where "the overwhelming majority of scientists" were not only dead wrong, but ignored the evidence they were dead wrong "because there's consensus." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 29 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I'm an educated man, and a "science man," and know of plenty of examples where "the overwhelming majority of scientists" were not only dead wrong, but ignored the evidence they were dead wrong "because there's consensus." I can prove that climate change is natural and has always been a thing. Ancient Mesopotamian settlements prove this. North Africa proves this. But ya know what I do understand when it comes to science? Simple things like the greenhouse effect. We don't freeze at night when the sun goes down because of the greenhouse effect, right? Again, I'm not a science man. So, if that's true and greenhouse gasses act as an insulator, how then will we not increase the temperature of the earth when we add to the greenhouse gasses? Again, I'm not a science man. But it seems simple to me. What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 They cannot properly measure the weather of the past, they are grossly wrong in short term predictions and it’s impossible to predict the future under any acceptable form of definition of science unless you just plow ahead and make it up and refuse to admit how precarious it all is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Predicting weather is worse than predicting stock prices, they both have systems that rely on a Jenga tower of assumptions. Of course they are never wrong because they told you about an assumption that didn’t pan out. It’s not pure science. Edited January 5, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 54 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I can prove that climate change is natural and has always been a thing. Ancient Mesopotamian settlements prove this. North Africa proves this. But ya know what I do understand when it comes to science? Simple things like the greenhouse effect. We don't freeze at night when the sun goes down because of the greenhouse effect, right? Again, I'm not a science man. So, if that's true and greenhouse gasses act as an insulator, how then will we not increase the temperature of the earth when we add to the greenhouse gasses? Again, I'm not a science man. But it seems simple to me. What am I missing? What you're missing is that the quality of your theory is only as good as the accuracy of your tests of the theory...and the accuracy of the tests of global warming is questionable, because of issues with historical measurement, data management, and baselines. Science isn'y hypothesis, or consensus. It's measurement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: What you're missing is that the quality of your theory is only as good as the accuracy of your tests of the theory...and the accuracy of the tests of global warming is questionable, because of issues with historical measurement, data management, and baselines. Science isn'y hypothesis, or consensus. It's measurement. Well, I'll say that I don't know enough to disagree with the overwhelming majority of scientists and so I side with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: Well, I'll say that I don't know enough to disagree with the overwhelming majority of scientists and so I side with them. That's fair. For that matter, I disagree with them on issues of process. The broad strokes of the science are relatively sound...but an honest look raises serious questions about the accuracy of it, and the scientific method is badly warped by people conflating it with public policy (simplest example of that being that the IPCC is not a scientific body, but is a political body with the explicit mandate of being biased - it's in their charter.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Anything that Al Gore says beyond “you should look both ways before crossing the street” is malignantly pigheadedly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Well, I'll say that I don't know enough to disagree with the overwhelming majority of scientists and so I side with them. It's fair to say that the general population (and scientists) don't know enough about the climate to make concrete conclusions. It's okay to think that we need more, and better, data to study the problem. However, what makes the whole thing idiotic is creating laws based on predictive models that have repeatedly been proven wrong. It's like some dingbat said the sky was falling, ten people agreed with him, and now we're passing laws requiring everyone to carry umbrellas at all times or pay a fine; because it's a scientific fact that it rains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 It’s a politically driven situation and funding is given when you find the “right conclusions” since being wrong is never punished then why not say whatever the $$ supply is leaning on you to find not to say that recycling and thinking about reducing energy waste in your life isn’t a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, unbillievable said: It's fair to say that the general population (and scientists) don't know enough about the climate to make concrete conclusions. It's okay to think that we need more, and better, data to study the problem. However, what makes the whole thing idiotic is creating laws based on predictive models that have repeatedly been proven wrong. It's like some dingbat said the sky was falling, ten people agreed with him, and now we're passing laws requiring everyone to carry umbrellas at all times or pay a fine; because it's a scientific fact that it rains. So, I can nod my head to that. But here's my issue, I hear people use this to justify pollution. I hate pollution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, The_Dude said: So, I can nod my head to that. But here's my issue, I hear people use this to justify pollution. I hate pollution. Is your implication that there are people who like pollution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Binding your county to punishment for not meeting standards imposed by Algore people is stupid, especially when nobody else is going to even 1 percent bother to uphold them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Azalin said: Is your implication that there are people who like pollution? When it benefits them financially, yeah. Look at fracking for example -- that's awful but it generates money so it's tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, The_Dude said: So, I can nod my head to that. But here's my issue, I hear people use this to justify pollution. I hate pollution. Where the hell is this happening? I don't know anyone who favors pollution. The attention given global warming has taken attention away from fighting pollution. Clean water and air is something we all should get behind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: When it benefits them financially, yeah. Look at fracking for example -- that's awful but it generates money so it's tolerated. That's not what I asked. Tolerate and like are two completely different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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