BADOLBILZ Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 @Rachel__Nichols: More troubling details RT @JohnBarrESPN: Sources say 25-to-30 casino staffers saw Rice video. Dozens more had access. http://t.co/1yhMUmzTRX I'm quite certain you could run a 24 hour reality channel called "casino elevators" and never run out of fresh material. The number one thing couples fight about is money and the number one thing casino's are good for is taking people's money so it's an ideal breeding environment for things like what went down with Ray Rice and his fiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Part of me just has trouble believing that the NFL was trying to hide anything in this situation. After all, they had to know that this video would be available to the public at some point, right? It is not as if their copy of the video was the only one in existence. I may be grasping at straws, but I wonder if the NFL did have the video and just never bothered to watch it. That is, suppose for a moment that Ray Rice admitted to everything and in so doing the NFL leadership saw no need to view the video, since Rice wasn't refuting any of the charges against him. They may have thought that no further investigation was necessary since he confessed to the deed. Of course, HEARING about the incident -- as bad as that narrative may be -- simply doesn't compare to actually SEEING the incident along with Rice's total disregard for the young lady after he knocked her out cold. Just a thought. So your theory is that rice admitted everything so the nfl skipped watching the video. And then were shocked when they saw the contents of the video on espn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 i think we are just in the "someone has to pay" phase here. I think we're in the "the spectacle of watching famous people get torn to shreds in the public eye is our real national pastime" phase. It's so much more entertaining than yet another Dancing with the Stars show. Still waiting for someone to call for the local DA's resignation. The NFL punished Rice more severely than the law did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 @jimrome: Roger Goodell says Ray Rice and his reps lied about what happened in the elevator. That's rich. Because abusers typically tell the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Why is everyone more upset with the NFL than the local police? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Excellent points, sir. In perhaps a month’s time, we might very well see: 1. Roger steps down to shield the shield from this PR cluster you-know-what for the owners he represents. 2. Archaic NFL blackout policy lifted (if that has not already happened). 3. NFL player drug testing relaxed. 4. Josh Gordon, among others, reinstated. 5. Agreement on more equitable/expeditious distribution of concussion settlement funds to ex-players. 6. NFL agrees to amend tax-free non-profit status. 7. Redskins name change mandated. 8. Female NFL executive hired to top position of power. 9. Hell freezes over. Ok, probably only the first 4 or 5. Hey, if #9 happens, the Bills win the super bowl and Sabres win the Stanley cup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Why is everyone more upset with the NFL than the local police? For what? For arresting Ray Rice? For telling the truth about the NFL having been sent the tape (as evidenced by the voicemail )? That's about all the police did. Do you mean the judicial system? That one's another matter entirely, but some folks are mad at both the League and the judicial system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) i think we are just in the "someone has to pay" phase here. It's a ridiculous story: After reviewing all the evidence, including the elevator tapes apparently, Goodell decides that a 2 game suspension is adequate. Then he realizes he screwed up from a PR perspective after the wave of public outcry. So, he instates a new league policy on domestic violence to try and patch things up. It states that for a first offense you get a 6 game suspension and a lifetime ban for a second one. Then the Ray Rice elevator tapes are suddenly "discovered". Goodell claims that this new evidence changes everything and issues Rice an indefinite ban. This is despite the fact that his own new policy states that the penalty for a first offense is a 6 game suspension AND the fact that he apparently had the tapes all along so there is no new evidence in the case at all. Does this sound like a fair and consistent review process that players and fans can have confidence in? Edited September 11, 2014 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Why is everyone more upset with the NFL than the local police? What's to be upset with the local police? Rice was arrested, charges were filed, the case was prosecuted, a plea bargain was offered and accepted. Similar stuff happens in drug arrests all the time. It's a ridiculous story: After reviewing all the evidence, including the elevator tapes apparently, Goodell decides that a 2 game suspension is adequate. Then he realizes he screwed up from a PR perspective after the wave of public outcry. So, he instates a new league policy on domestic violence to try and patch things up. It states that for a first offense you get a 6 game suspension and a lifetime ban for a second one. Then the Ray Rice elevator tapes are suddenly "discovered". Goodell claims that this new evidence changes everything and issues Rice an indefinite ban. This is despite the fact that his own new policy states that the penalty for a first offense is a 6 game suspension AND the fact that he apparently had the tapes all along so there is no new evidence in the case at all. Does this sound like a fair and consistent review process that players and fans can have confidence in? No, no it does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The thing I'm trying to figure out in my head is, what is the message here? What I'm hearing is, "if you're going to commit domestic violence, just make sure there's no video evidence." I mean, the description of the event, from what I recall, was pretty much what was shown in the video. Sure, the video is shocking to actually see, and you can get a better sense of Rice's apparent indifference to what he had just done. But what specifically about the video makes this an entirely different scenario? It's not like Rice or his fiancee did not admit to any of the events or actions shown in the video. What Rice did was heinous, even before the video evidence came out. Why is Goodell saying, "Two game suspension! Wait, there's actually a video showing you doing this? !@#$ it, you're suspended indefinitely!" It makes no sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Why is everyone more upset with the NFL than the local police? For some reason that no one can explain the NFL is now primarily responsible for the administration of crime and punishment for acts of its employees done outside the scope of employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonechiller Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 My concern on this, is that it appears to be like double jeopardy. He is being punished/tried for the same thing twice. First he gets 2 weeks, then they change the punishment months after the incident, the team cuts him, then the League bans him. As far as having the tape back then; - Why did the punishment change now? - And how the heck did they think she got knocked out before he dragged her out of the elevator? - If she passed out or fell, he did nothing wrong. - They knew he did it, why so different all of the sudden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 For some reason that no one can explain the NFL is now primarily responsible for the administration of crime and punishment for acts of its employees done outside the scope of employment. Can you really not think of why the nfl would want to police its players or are you just trolling? Whoever says they are primarily responsible is wrong and extreme. Have I been trolled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 @jimrome: Roger Goodell says Ray Rice and his reps lied about what happened in the elevator. That's rich. Because abusers typically tell the truth. That's just completely stupid. Nothing on that video contradicted anything I heard about the case. What the hell planet were the league offices living on that they got a different story from their investigation than I got from a casual, disinterested reading of the news? What's to be upset with the local police? Rice was arrested, charges were filed, the case was prosecuted, a plea bargain was offered and accepted. Similar stuff happens in drug arrests all the time. Then what's to be upset about with the NFL? It's nothing more than mob justice...but mob justice doesn't focus well on the actual justice system. The NFL's a convenient scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Can you really not think of why the nfl would want to police its players or are you just trolling? Whoever says they are primarily responsible is wrong and extreme. Have I been trolled? Going for irony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 So now Goodbye is claiming that the tape was sent to the NFL, but was never brought to his attention? LOL! As for being lied to by Rice, watching the tape would have made that moot, donchathink? This seems reminiscent of the Pats Spygate thing where he said that if he found evidence they videotaped the Rams' walkthrough, he'd have to suspend Belichick. And then he burned the tapes. Did he see something on them and ignore it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 So now Goodbye is claiming that the tape was sent to the NFL, but was never brought to his attention? LOL! As for being lied to by Rice, watching the tape would have made that moot, donchathink? This seems reminiscent of the Pats Spygate thing where he said that if he found evidence they videotaped the Rams' walkthrough, he'd have to suspend Belichick. And then he burned the tapes. Did he see something on them and ignore it? You did NOT just resurrect the "Walkthrough video", did you?! Do you really think that, if BB had taped the walkthrough, he would have handed that tape over to Goodell? Come on! Anyway, I told you weeks ago that the cops gave the NFL the video. You still think they burned that too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Going for irony? Oh look, you still can't answer my questions with anything substantive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Goodell will stay. You want to see somebody get fired that needs to....try the CEO of Home Depot........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The best part about an issue like this is that it starts off with everyone worrying about the victims. They have good, if not misguided, intentions. Then, the mob gets more and more frenzied, and more and more angry, and suddenly you have thousands of social media warriors calling for people's heads. It really was interesting to watch it all unfold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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