NFL had tapes in April

[boyst]

Goodell issued statement that former FBI director will investigate the handling of this incident. Freeh report went well, this should, too! Can't wait.

 

#trainwreck.

[Doc]

You did NOT just resurrect the "Walkthrough video", did you?!

 

Do you really think that, if BB had taped the walkthrough, he would have handed that tape over to Goodell? Come on!

 

Anyway, I told you weeks ago that the cops gave the NFL the video. You still think they burned that too?

Sure I resurrected it. Regardless of what he may or may not have been handed/saw, I doubt he'd wanted to see the walkthrough tape, and if he did, I doubt he'd have suspended Belichick anyway.

 

As for the Rice thing, did Goodbye watch the video the cops gave him or not? If not, why? If he did watch it and suspended him for just 2 games, why did he then later suspended Rice indefinitely after TMZ released the video, which he already saw? And sorry, "public outrage" is not a valid excuse. Because it means his PCP is a joke. Not that we didn't already know that.

[Rob's House]

 

 

Oh look, you still can't answer my questions with anything substantive

 

Run along, Chester

 

spike and chester:

 

[Numark3]

An insult is never good if you have to directly explain it or reference. Just a lesson for ya

[Rob's House]

49ers Suspend Announcer for Expressing Opinion on Rice Incident.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/ted-robinson-suspended-2-games-022400695.html

 

Dude said the wife was partially to blame for refusing to cooperate with police. Apparently the network hadn't told him what the only permissible take was.

 

Welcome to the new America: where mob rule rules and no unpopular speech goes unpunished.

[Numark3]

49ers Suspend Announcer for Expressing Opinion on Rice Incident.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/ted-robinson-suspended-2-games-022400695.html

 

Dude said the wife was partially to blame for refusing to cooperate with police. Apparently the network hadn't told him what the only permissible take was.

 

Welcome to the new America: where mob rule rules and no unpopular speech goes unpunished.

 

That's not what happened, and the irony of you jumping to a wrong biased conclusion is not lost

[Wayne Cubed]

Then what's to be upset about with the NFL?

 

It's nothing more than mob justice...but mob justice doesn't focus well on the actual justice system. The NFL's a convenient scapegoat.

 

I think this is where I'm at with those whole "fiasco". People see the video and get more upset that the suspension wasn't enough? It may not be right, but it was in line with previous suspensions given out.

 

Maybe it's just me, but I don't get why the NFL is obligated to explain itself in this situation, as to why they didn't do enough. Surely people should be more upset with the justice system for not giving Rice a bigger punishment. But if the justice system didn't see fit to give Rice a more severe punishment, why is it up to the NFL to do it? And why is it ok that the local police department, allegedly, released evidence in an ongoing criminal trial? Is it just easier to blame the NFL?

 

Just seems like the NFL is a scapegoat, as you say.

[Maury Ballstein]

An insult is never good if you have to directly explain it or reference. Just a lesson for ya

 

Meh it kinda worked. Now run along chester. Nice racist shots in the donkey kong/cam thread.

 

Boringtroll.

[vincec]

I think this is where I'm at with those whole "fiasco". People see the video and get more upset that the suspension wasn't enough? It may not be right, but it was in line with previous suspensions given out.

 

Maybe it's just me, but I don't get why the NFL is obligated to explain itself in this situation, as to why they didn't do enough. Surely people should be more upset with the justice system for not giving Rice a bigger punishment. But if the justice system didn't see fit to give Rice a more severe punishment, why is it up to the NFL to do it? And why is it ok that the local police department, allegedly, released evidence in an ongoing criminal trial? Is it just easier to blame the NFL?

 

Just seems like the NFL is a scapegoat, as you say.

The NFLs review and handling of the case is purely about PR. They are not a criminal or civil justice organization. The clauses in players contracts that permit suspensions for these types of things are designed to help the NFL protect their investment in their brand. So, if their response to the situation leads to a public backlash then it is inadequate by definition, because public confidence in the integrity and wholesomeness of the league is exactly what they are trying to maintain. I think that if you view Goodell's handling of this in that light it will all make sense. They are trying to quell public concern about the league not administer justice. I think it's messed up honestly, but that's why their actions appear to be directed by "mob justice" and why they have no problem trying to deceive the public.

[Wayne Cubed]

The NFLs review and handling of the case is purely about PR. They are not a criminal or civil justice organization. The clauses in players contracts that permit suspensions for these types of things are designed to help the NFL protect their investment in their brand. So, if their response to the situation leads to a public backlash then it is inadequate by definition, because public confidence in the integrity and wholesomeness of the league is exactly what they are trying to maintain. I think that if you view Goodell's handling of this in that light it will all make sense. They are trying to quell public concern about the league not administer justice. I think it's messed up honestly, but that's why their actions appear to be directed by "mob justice" and why they have no problem trying to deceive the public.

 

Yea, I understand that the NFL is trying to quell public concern about the brand, but the mob mentality IMO seems like they are searching for justice, almost like the NFL broke the law or bent the law.

[Mr. WEO]

Sure I resurrected it. Regardless of what he may or may not have been handed/saw, I doubt he'd wanted to see the walkthrough tape, and if he did, I doubt he'd have suspended Belichick anyway.

 

As for the Rice thing, did Goodbye watch the video the cops gave him or not? If not, why? If he did watch it and suspended him for just 2 games, why did he then later suspended Rice indefinitely after TMZ released the video, which he already saw? And sorry, "public outrage" is not a valid excuse. Because it means his PCP is a joke. Not that we didn't already know that.

 

You just claimed he saw it and "burned it" in your last post.

 

Anyway, "public outrage" is the ONLY valid excuse for the actions of the NFL so far. How have you missed this? The whole world knew weeks ago that Rice hit this woman hard enough to knock her out. The second video added nothing factually to this case. Per Schefter, who spoke with people who saw the transcripts of the meeting Goodell had with Rice and his wife, there was never any claim in that meeting that she came at him first or hit him first, so the second video changes nothing as to the facts of the case already known. Goodell gave him 2 games because that was, essentially, the NFL going rate for suspensiosn for domestic abuse at the time.

[1B4IDie]

Can we talk about the real crime here?

 

I took Ray Rice in 2 leagues in the 6th round or later, knowing that there was a second tape and assuming it was of Ray Rice knocking his fiancé the F out.

 

Now I'm screwed in the real world in cash not some BS, faux fan morality outrage.

 

If I know the second tape existed in August and I have nothing to do with punishing NFL players how can the NFL act surprised and outraged; this is such bull **** by the NFL.

 

Roger owes me money now.

 

If he would have just thrown atleast 8 games at him like you know he wanted to originally this wouldn't even be an issue. I wouldn't have touched Ray Rice in the draft.

[Bill from NYC]

I'm quite certain you could run a 24 hour reality channel called "casino elevators" and never run out of fresh material. The number one thing couples fight about is money and the number one thing casino's are good for is taking people's money so it's an ideal breeding environment for things like what went down with Ray Rice and his fiance.

 

Absolutely! It would not surprise me at all if Rice dropped 50 or 100 Gs. Now, add in some substance (lots of it) and you have yourself a mess.

Think about it, here is a physical specimen with millions of dollars in a hotel with a very hot young lady who at least appears to like him. Sounds like a dream come true, no? So instead of being in a luxury hotel suite with this beautiful woman, he is downstairs dropping wads of cash and getting stoned. And she had every right to object; they were engaged.

 

That said, Rice is a criminal. He is violent and has no impulse control. That punch could have easily killed a strong adult male, let alone a woman. He deserves what he gets and my guess is that he will soon be a destitute criminal in lieu of a rich one.

 

I do however feel a bit sorry for Goodell. He has been placed in the role of a cop and a prosecutor, but imo he is neither. He's a CEO of a multi-billion dollar conglomerate. If this was my case, I'm not sure how happy I would be to turn tape over to a private enterprise, so I really don't know if he had this tape or not.

 

Either way, I am not calling for him to resign or be fired.

[Doc]

You just claimed he saw it and "burned it" in your last post.

I didn't claim anything. Just posed a question.

 

Anyway, "public outrage" is the ONLY valid excuse for the actions of the NFL so far. How have you missed this? The whole world knew weeks ago that Rice hit this woman hard enough to knock her out. The second video added nothing factually to this case. Per Schefter, who spoke with people who saw the transcripts of the meeting Goodell had with Rice and his wife, there was never any claim in that meeting that she came at him first or hit him first, so the second video changes nothing as to the facts of the case already known. Goodell gave him 2 games because that was, essentially, the NFL going rate for suspensiosn for domestic abuse at the time.

Okay, so public opinion made him change his mind. Which again points to his PCP as being a joke. How have you missed this?

[JohnC]

Absolutely! It would not surprise me at all if Rice dropped 50 or 100 Gs. Now, add in some substance (lots of it) and you have yourself a mess.

Think about it, here is a physical specimen with millions of dollars in a hotel with a very hot young lady who at least appears to like him. Sounds like a dream come true, no? So instead of being in a luxury hotel suite with this beautiful woman, he is downstairs dropping wads of cash and getting stoned. And she had every right to object; they were engaged.

 

That said, Rice is a criminal. He is violent and has no impulse control. That punch could have easily killed a strong adult male, let alone a woman. He deserves what he gets and my guess is that he will soon be a destitute criminal in lieu of a rich one.

 

I do however feel a bit sorry for Goodell. He has been placed in the role of a cop and a prosecutor, but imo he is neither. He's a CEO of a multi-billion dollar conglomerate. If this was my case, I'm not sure how happy I would be to turn tape over to a private enterprise, so I really don't know if he had this tape or not.

 

Either way, I am not calling for him to resign or be fired.

 

The role of a cop and prosecutor is a role that he has resolutely carved out for himself as the commissioner. He relished that role--he certainly didn't hide from that responsibility. When he took over the reigns as the new commissioner he made it his signature mission to forcefully deal with the thug element in the league. He felt that the growing outlaw behavior of a faction of the players was jeopardizing the NFL brand. The NBA went through the same scenario when too many of their players were conducting themselves in a manner that the paying customers found offensive, leading to a sizeable loss of patronage.

 

I don't care what the punishment precedent was that Goodell used in punishing Rice. Rice's situatoin was qualitatively and exponentially different. He could have killed her. (As you noted.) As far as the issue of whether Goodell saw the tape of inside the elevator I simply don't understand how it is so material or important. Everyone knew that Rice knocked her out with a punch because he admitted to it.

 

What was most disturbing to me is not the punch although it could have been a killer punch. The callous manner in which he dragged this unconscious woman was revolting and demonstrated how depraved he was as a human being. There is no way that a person who acts like a savage in a public place hasn't also acted like a savage behind closed doors.

 

I agree with you that Goodell should not be fired for his egregious misjudgment in this case. What should happen to him is that he should be suspended from his duties for half the season without pay, a similar punishment that would have been more appropriate in the Rice affair.

[PlayoffsPlease]

The NFL's mistake is getting involved as a league in responding to players non-football actions.

 

The drug rules are not in place to add an extra level of law enforcement. First PEDs are banned to make sure no competitive advantage is gained, a core sports management philosophy. Secondly its about asset protection, the teams have huge investments in the players, and drugs can and will damage that asset. The gambling rules are in place because it can effect the competition.

 

If an individual team wants to fire a player because of image or PR for conduct unbecoming, they should have the same authority as every other employer. But the NFL shouldn't get involved as a league.

 

I also don't understand why no one discusses than Rice's wife is being made a victim a second time. Her families loss of income effects her life style as much as it effects Rice. I am not sure why the NFL feels as though it is good to punish her as well. Seems to me this is an issue that is between Rice, his wife and law enforcement.

 

Since the NFL chooses to be involved they have created their own secondary issues about their honesty regarding having previously seen the video or not. Clearly if they had and took their original action and only changed it to bend to public opinion, the person who made the original judgement clearly screwed that up, and should not be a position to make future similar decisions.

[dpberr]

Foreboding days in business with Donald Sterling being forced to sell a franchise simply because he's a racist and probably the NFL Commissioner loses his job because the masses believed his employer's corporate punishment wasn't punitive enough.

[RuntheDamnBall]

I think we're in the "the spectacle of watching famous people get torn to shreds in the public eye is our real national pastime" phase. It's so much more entertaining than yet another Dancing with the Stars show.

 

Still waiting for someone to call for the local DA's resignation. The NFL punished Rice more severely than the law did.

This, particularly the second graf.

 

49ers Suspend Announcer for Expressing Opinion on Rice Incident.

 

https://www.yahoo.co...-022400695.html

 

Dude said the wife was partially to blame for refusing to cooperate with police. Apparently the network hadn't told him what the only permissible take was.

 

Welcome to the new America: where mob rule rules and no unpopular speech goes unpunished.

If announcers at my workplace weighed in with an opinion that had nothing to do with the job they were supposed to do, and that opinion were likely to offend our sponsors or underwriters (and audience), they would be suspended, too.

 

Robinson's job is to do play-by-play. Now, if he was brought on as a commentator for a program and made this statement, then the Niners are in the wrong.

[section122]

i think we are just in the "someone has to pay" phase here.

Which will last until after this weekends games. Mark my words once next week rolls around these threads will drop from the top of the board, this subject will fall from the public consciousness, and Roger Goodell will still be commissioner.

 

Tonight - Ravens Steelers, they will talk about this some during the broadcast but not too much

Tomorrow - Either conversation about how well Ravens did in the face of adversity or how there was too much distraction

Saturday - College Football no mention of Rice/this story

Sunday - some mention of this story in the pregame show but less than you would expect as the Ravens aren't on the docket

Monday - coverage of the games/prep for MNF

Tuesday - bupkis

[RuntheDamnBall]

Can we talk about the real crime here?

 

I took Ray Rice in 2 leagues in the 6th round or later, knowing that there was a second tape and assuming it was of Ray Rice knocking his fiancé the F out.

 

Now I'm screwed in the real world in cash not some BS, faux fan morality outrage.

 

If I know the second tape existed in August and I have nothing to do with punishing NFL players how can the NFL act surprised and outraged; this is such bull **** by the NFL.

 

Roger owes me money now.

 

If he would have just thrown atleast 8 games at him like you know he wanted to originally this wouldn't even be an issue. I wouldn't have touched Ray Rice in the draft.

No one is going to give you money for being a dumbass.