What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

So? 

I’m asking why you choose not commit crimes on an hourly basis. You have more than plenty of opportunity to. So why not? 

[Chef Jim]

26 minutes ago, BillStime said:

You’re telling me city laws supersede state laws?

 

WRONG

 

When there is a conflict of interest between a state law and a local law, the state law takes precedence.

 

 

And if there is no conflict of interest? 
 

Cities and counties can make their own ordinances.  Never said they supersede any state laws. Funny how you never addressed why crime is so high in blue cities in blue states.  Why is that?  
 

What’s WRONG is your argument as usual. 
 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m asking why you choose not commit crimes on an hourly basis. You have more than plenty of opportunity to. So why not? 

What's the point of the question? I guess you just want to deflect from gun murders? 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What's the point of the question? I guess you just want to deflect from gun murders? 

How many gun murders have you committed today? This week? This year? I’m guessing….zero. 

[BillStime]

29 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And if there is no conflict of interest? 
 

Cities and counties can make their own ordinances.  Never said they supersede any state laws. Funny how you never addressed why crime is so high in blue cities in blue states.  Why is that?  
 

What’s WRONG is your argument as usual. 
 

 

POVERTY DRIVES CRIME in BOTH BLUE AND RED CITIES AND STATES

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

25 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What's the point of the question? I guess you just want to deflect from gun murders? 

I see. You just won’t answer the question. Thanks for wasting my time. 

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

POVERTY DRIVES CRIME in BOTH BLUE AND RED CITIES AND STATES

 

 

Let me guess….you’re going to end poverty? I’m dying to read how exactly. 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I see. You just won’t answer the question. Thanks for wasting my time. 

Let me guess….you’re going to end poverty? I’m dying to read how exactly. 

Pointless questions are a waste of time

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

POVERTY DRIVES CRIME in BOTH BLUE AND RED CITIES AND STATES

 

 

Why are you yelling?  And what is your point?  

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Why are you yelling?  And what is your point?  

 

lol - my point? Go back to Levi's comments about the alt right - believe it or not - that's what is driving this pathetic discussion? Notice he disappeared when he couldn't back up his argument? Long story short - a majority of red states suck at governing - just look at their socio-economic stats.

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

lol - my point? Go back to Levi's comments about the alt right - believe it or not - that's what is driving this pathetic discussion? Notice he disappeared when he couldn't back up his argument? Long story short - a majority of red states suck at governing - just look at their socio-economic stats.

And blue states are doing a bang up job too.  Newsflash you hack.  Both sides suck big time  are fleecing us.   
 

 

[SoCal Deek]

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Pointless questions are a waste of time

You may want to go back and check. It was your pointless question that started this ‘dialogue’….not mine.

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And blue states are doing a bang up job too.  Newsflash you hack.  Both sides suck big time  are fleecing us.   
 

 

 

Again, direct these comments to Levi.

 

thanks

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Again, direct these comments to Levi.

 

thanks

Nah he’s to smart for me.  I’ll stick with you. Why are rural red areas poor and why are blue urban areas poor? 

[B-Man]

 

It wasn't us. . . . . . . . . it wasn't our own poor actions. . . . . . . 

 

 

City of Rochester launching suit against gun industry as violence continues..

https://news.yahoo.com/city-rochester-launching-suit-against-144828073.html

2 hours ago — "The suit seeks to hold manufacturers, makers, importers, and distributors of firearms responsible for the illegal and unreasonable sale, ...

 

 

 

 

City of Buffalo files first of its kind lawsuit against gun industry

https://abcnews.go.com/US/city-buffalo-files-kind-lawsuit-gun-industry/story?id=95615548

19 hours ago — The suit, filed in state Supreme Court in Buffalo, also names ghost gun retailers Polymer and Arm or Ally as defendants.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Tommy Callahan]

most gun murders and mass shootings are for some reason squarely located in DEM strongholds where DEM DA's wont charge for crimes like possession.  

 

Can't figure out how to hyperlink here. but this is a nice list of mass shootings and notice the similarities and fact most never make the national news, because they don't fit the narrative.

 

Mass Shootings in 2022 | Gun Violence Archive

 

 

 

if anyone knows of an article or site that points to legal gun owners committing said murders, or legal gun owners/stores selling guns to said thugs?  

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

There’s a simple solution. Author a Constitutional Amendment. There have been many of them over the years. Done! 

[Tommy Callahan]

"An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification"

 

A constitutional convention in today's political world would be a pandoras box.

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

47 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You may want to go back and check. It was your pointless question that started this ‘dialogue’….not mine.

No, I just posted a story about guns

[Heavy Kevi]

28 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

It wasn't us. . . . . . . . . it wasn't our own poor actions. . . . . . . 

 

 

City of Rochester launching suit against gun industry as violence continues..

https://news.yahoo.com/city-rochester-launching-suit-against-144828073.html

2 hours ago — "The suit seeks to hold manufacturers, makers, importers, and distributors of firearms responsible for the illegal and unreasonable sale, ...

 

 

 

 

City of Buffalo files first of its kind lawsuit against gun industry

https://abcnews.go.com/US/city-buffalo-files-kind-lawsuit-gun-industry/story?id=95615548

19 hours ago — The suit, filed in state Supreme Court in Buffalo, also names ghost gun retailers Polymer and Arm or Ally as defendants.

 

 

 

 

 

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This is pathetic.

 

Like suing GM for DWI deaths. Makes no f'ing sense at all.

 

But it does work for the actual main goal of convincing people that gun crime isn't caused by their own pro-criminal policies like cashless bail, end of mandatory minimum sentencing, and crazy DA's not prosecuting crimes by "marginalized" groups... All with a provably, and massively corrupt Leticia James at the helm. And I though it couldnt get worse than "The Hoch" in the governor's mansion.

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Nah he’s to smart for me.  I’ll stick with you. Why are rural red areas poor and why are blue urban areas poor? 

 

Lots of reason Jim... people are poor in AMERICA for similar reasons - lack of education, low wages, affordable housing, childcare and universal preschool leading to mental health, desperation, breakdown of family and homelessness.

 

Rural: spread out; lack of infrastructure/mobility which adversely impact easy access to medical care, education and often leads to underemployment. Lack of internet access, too. Urban: poor cannot afford land and often live in affordable housing; often found in cities, etc

 

Across all races and ethnicities, U.S. poverty rates in 2019 were higher at 15.4 percent in nonmetro (rural) areas than in metro (urban) areas at 11.9 percent. 

 

 

 

 

 

[wnyguy]

11 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Lots of reason Jim... people are poor in AMERICA for similar reasons - lack of education, low wages, affordable housing, childcare and universal preschool leading to mental health, desperation, breakdown of family and homelessness.

 

Rural: spread out; lack of infrastructure/mobility which adversely impact easy access to medical care, education and often leads to underemployment. Lack of internet access, too. Urban: poor cannot afford land and often live in affordable housing; often found in cities, etc

 

Across all races and ethnicities, U.S. poverty rates in 2019 were higher at 15.4 percent in nonmetro (rural) areas than in metro (urban) areas at 11.9 percent. 

 

 

 

 

 

You forgot to add something about Trump. Please edit.

 

You freakin moron

[SoCal Deek]

31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, I just posted a story about guns

No..you asked why is it so easy criminals to get guns in this country? Your question, not mine.

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

No..you asked why is it so easy criminals to get guns in this country? Your question, not mine.

Which is a gun question in a gun thread. You got into other issues that are clearly, clearly, outside the scope of the thread. 

[SoCal Deek]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Which is a gun question in a gun thread. You got into other issues that are clearly, clearly, outside the scope of the thread. 

Oh I see. So there are no questions allowed? Just your nonsensical narrative.  
 

Here’s a hint: YOU ARE ASKING THE WRONG QUESTION. 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Oh I see. So there are no questions allowed? Just your nonsensical narrative.  
 

Here’s a hint: YOU ARE ASKING THE WRONG QUESTION. 

No, it's the right question. Dangerous people with easy access to guns. Most people--not you, you think it's funny--want less gun violence. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Bumped due to meaningless back and forth.

 

 

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

It wasn't us. . . . . . . . . it wasn't our own poor actions. . . . . . . 

 

City of Rochester launching suit against gun industry as violence continues..

https://news.yahoo.com/city-rochester-launching-suit-against-144828073.html

2 hours ago — "The suit seeks to hold manufacturers, makers, importers, and distributors of firearms

City of Buffalo files first of its kind lawsuit against gun industry

https://abcnews.go.com/US/city-buffalo-files-kind-lawsuit-gun-industry/story?id=95615548

19 hours ago — The suit, filed in state Supreme Court in Buffalo, also names ghost gun retailers Polymer and Arm or Ally as defendants.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2022 by B-Man

[SoCal Deek]

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, it's the right question. Dangerous people with easy access to guns. Most people--not you, you think it's funny--want less gun violence. 

Oh just stop with your immature nonsense. I have way too much respect for you to get into this juvenile crap.

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Lots of reason Jim... people are poor in AMERICA for similar reasons - lack of education, low wages, affordable housing, childcare and universal preschool leading to mental health, desperation, breakdown of family and homelessness.

 

Rural: spread out; lack of infrastructure/mobility which adversely impact easy access to medical care, education and often leads to underemployment. Lack of internet access, too. Urban: poor cannot afford land and often live in affordable housing; often found in cities, etc

 

Across all races and ethnicities, U.S. poverty rates in 2019 were higher at 15.4 percent in nonmetro (rural) areas than in metro (urban) areas at 11.9 percent. 

 

 

 

 

 

So poverty has nothing to do with politics.  Got it. Thanks. 

[LeviF]

6 hours ago, ALF said:

I wonder if a very high federal sales tax on AR-15 type weapons would cut down future sales like it did for cigarettes. 

 

Now there is a small add on device to change a glock pistol to full auto

A switch, or Glock switch, is a quarter-sized device that slides into the back of a handgun and converts it into an automatic weapon. “It'll expend as many rounds as in the magazine with one trigger pull,” North Charleston Police Lt. Fred Hoose says.

 

Law enforcement says people are 3D printing Glock switches. They’re also getting them online and from overseas and then distributing them throughout the U.S.

“ATF had a nationwide case in 2020 where we figured out that one particular company had smuggled over 4,000 of these into the country,” Godsave says.

 

https://www.live5news.com/2022/09/02/tiny-illegal-device-turning-handguns-into-automatic-weapons-popping-up-around-lowcountry/

 

 

Ah yes, I always find it odd that the left (not necessarily you, ALF) thinks that making guns only for rich people is a viable solution. This was the original intent of the NFA as well.

[Chef Jim]

22 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Newsom to federal judge: Thanks for declaring my stupid gun-control stunt unconstitutional

 

 

”[The law] is cynical. … ‘It is an abomination. It is outrageous and objectionable.

Jackie Chiles?  Is that you? 

[LeviF]

And I don't address the red state/blue cities nonsense for one reason: murder is higher when there are more blacks in the place getting measured. That's it. Simple demographics. No need to get confused over why blue Vermont has a low murder rate while blue Maryland has a  high murder rate or why red Idaho has a low murder rate while red Mississippi has a high murder rate. Very simple stuff, homicides by race of offender is a table published every year by the feds.

[BillStime]

33 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So poverty has nothing to do with politics.  Got it. Thanks. 

Of course politics play a role with it - otherwise this whole argument would not have been initiated by Levi regarding the alt “left” nor you would have said this:

 

On 12/20/2022 at 11:27 AM, Chef Jim said:

Where is the concentration of crime in red states?  

Again - the socio-economic stats of red v blue states don’t support your argument. 

[Chef Jim]

17 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Of course politics play a role with it - otherwise this whole argument would not have been initiated by Levi regarding the alt “left” nor you would have said this:

 

Again - the socio-economic stats of red v blue states don’t support your argument. 

Ok so if politics plays a role does it play a role in the massive crime and homelessness problem in cities like LA/SF/Seattle/Portland/Baltimore?  Shouldn’t those blue cities in blue states be utopian wonderlands?  

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Ok so if politics plays a role does it play a role in the massive crime and homelessness problem in cities like LA/SF/Seattle/Portland/Baltimore?  Shouldn’t those blue cities in blue states be utopian wonderlands?  

I would live in any of those cities before I would ever consider living in a red state. 

[SoCal Deek]

19 minutes ago, BillStime said:

I would live in any of those cities before I would ever consider living in a red state. 

Winner! 

Dumbest post of the day. 

[Chef Jim]

53 minutes ago, BillStime said:

I would live in any of those cities before I would ever consider living in a red state. 

And this is by far the most closed minded posts of the year.  
 

So you’d take this:

 

 

Over this:

 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

And this is by far the most closed minded posts of the year.  
 

So you’d take this:

 

 

Over this:

 

Now show us photos of unfortunate Americans in red states. 
 

Hurry 

 

 

[ALF]

13 hours ago, LeviF said:

 

Ah yes, I always find it odd that the left (not necessarily you, ALF) thinks that making guns only for rich people is a viable solution. This was the original intent of the NFA as well.

 

Keeping these guns out of the hands of people just becoming old enough to buy these weapons  who lately are committing these mass murders .

[LeviF]

3 hours ago, ALF said:

 

Keeping these guns out of the hands of people just becoming old enough to buy these weapons  who lately are committing these mass murders .

We can stop selling guns to 18 year olds as soon as 18 year olds can no longer vote. 

[Chef Jim]

12 hours ago, BillStime said:

Now show us photos of unfortunate Americans in red states. 
 

Hurry 

 

 

Well unfortunately my plan backfired here seeing both those pictures were in ultra blue California. 
 

I searched for unfortunate Americans in Blue states but all that came up were pictures of people in red state blue cities.  🤷🏻‍♂️

5 minutes ago, LeviF said:

We can stop selling guns to 18 year olds as soon as 18 year olds can no longer vote. 

We can allow them to join the military, give them a gun and teach them how to kill other humans but not give them a gun and teach them to cull the herd and make venison sausage. 🙄