What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Niagara Bill]

27 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Absolutely there are possibilities for realistic change.  

Name one and how,

[B-Man]

 

 

Senator Warren is a hypocrite.

 

 

 

[BillStime]

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

If people weren't idiots and needed government protection from said idiocy they'd still be on the market today. 

 

Which quote makes more sense? 

 

EDIT:  Just to be fair.  I did some real idiotic thing with jarts as a kid.  

Edited April 19, 2021 by Chef Jim

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

 

Posted several times..............and ignored by the ignorant.

 

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Last year, Senator Tim Scott and Republicans tried to pass major legislation that would have expanded body cameras, discouraged chokeholds, increased transparency, and finally made lynching a federal crime.

 

Democrats filibustered the bill because it wasn’t anti-police enough.

 

They want the problem, they don't want to solve it.

 

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

[BillStime]

Imagine living in a country where this is necessary...

 

 

...oh wait

[BillStime]

 

[Melon]

No guns is obviously better

 

/End thread

[Chef Jim]

15 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

How are is being made easier to get guns?

 

How are we making it harder to vote?  

 

Facts not feels.  

6 hours ago, BillStime said:

Imagine living in a country where this is necessary...

 

 

...oh wait

 

Paranoia runs deep

Into your life it will creep.  

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Melon said:

No guns is obviously better

 

/End thread

 

No guns meaning no one has guns?

 

How do you plan to achieve this?  

 

Are you being sarcastic? 

[BillStime]

Bravo

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Are you sure it's just the guns ?

 

Nine Kids Shot at 12-Year-Old's Birthday Party and 'Not One' of the 60 Attendees Will Make a Statement to Police

 

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2021/04/20/nine-kids-shot-at-12-year-olds-birthday-party-and-not-one-of-the-60-attendees-will-make-a-statement-to-police-n365201

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nine-injured-after-gunfire-erupts-12-year-old-s-birthday-n1264569

 

https://www.kmov.com/news/they-were-all-kids-6-wounded-in-shooting-at-louisiana-12-year-olds-birthday-party/article_2f5ca3da-a112-11eb-918c-af4afcb33848.html

 

 

Yet? Here’s Sheriff Mike Tregre:

 

“We have not one witness, not one person that saw anything yet. So we’re trying to solve it on our own right now. I’m going to be polite — it’s more than frustrating.”

 

What’s wrong with this picture? Nine kids shot. Two remain hospitalized. Not one person in attendance is willing to cooperate with law enforcement officials, including loved ones of the victims? Ever hear of such a thing? Me neither. Until now.

 

“We will not stop,” Sheriff Tregre insisted. “Somebody’s gotta come forward. This cannot just go like this.” But it does “go on like this,” sheriff. On a daily basis.

 

I can’t wait to watch Don Lemón’s extensive coverage on “The Most Trusted Name in News,” tonight. Hang of a sec— BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[Boatdrinks]

BilStime is a special breed of foolish. Republicans are not making it easier to get guns. It’s fine the way it is. As for voting, what’s so hard about showing an ID? Everyone does it for lots of things already. We know voter fraud occurred and does so often when all means of verification are stripped away and mass mailed unrequested ballots are stuffed into unwatched “ drop boxes”. It so easy to dismiss the possibility of large scale cheating as unproven while not allowing verification. It’s dumb to assume otherwise. Libs are so concerned about cheating in every other area , but can’t imagine a political party or voter would consider cheating. No way ! 

[LeGOATski]

7 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

BilStime is a special breed of foolish. Republicans are not making it easier to get guns. It’s fine the way it is. As for voting, what’s so hard about showing an ID? Everyone does it for lots of things already. We know voter fraud occurred and does so often when all means of verification are stripped away and mass mailed unrequested ballots are stuffed into unwatched “ drop boxes”. It so easy to dismiss the possibility of large scale cheating as unproven while not allowing verification. It’s dumb to assume otherwise. Libs are so concerned about cheating in every other area , but can’t imagine a political party or voter would consider cheating. No way ! 

You speak as if this wasn't already settled in court... lol. 

[LeGOATski]

8 hours ago, B-Man said:

What’s wrong with this picture? Nine kids shot. Two remain hospitalized. Not one person in attendance is willing to cooperate with law enforcement officials, including loved ones of the victims? Ever hear of such a thing? Me neither. Until now.

You've never heard of people not speaking to cops? 

 

Welcome to planet Earth.

[Chef Jim]

Saw it coming a mile away. But think about what he said. 
 

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMexN1kCL/

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Saw it coming a mile away. But think about what he said. 
 

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMexN1kCL/

I can't view tiktok and don't want to support it, frankly.

Can you provide some context or an article from the source? I do like the gun discussion.

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I can't view tiktok and don't want to support it, frankly.

Can you provide some context or an article from the source? I do like the gun discussion.

 

Article from the source?  LOL  Sorry not what Tiktok is.

 

It's a comedian saying:

 

We've got kids shooting up schools with high powered assault rifles.  They are dangerous, deadly and totally unnecessary...........Nobody should have kids.  

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Article from the source?  LOL  Sorry not what Tiktok is.

 

It's a comedian saying:

 

We've got kids shooting up schools with high powered assault rifles.  They are dangerous, deadly and totally unnecessary...........Nobody should have kids.  

Solid joke. 7/10

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

Solid joke. 7/10

 

But what I also took out of it?  The kids (shooters) are the deadly danger not the weapon. 

 

And BTW I don't have kids so that part also resonated with me.   

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Based on the the current state of affairs I’ve officially moved from no need to ever even consider purchasing weapons to, strongly considering A different direction. 
 

democrats made that happen for me.

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

GOOD: Armed Civilian Saves Walmart Security Guard.

 

The civilian, who is licensed to carry a gun, was shopping at a Walmart in Beech Grove, Ind., when he noticed a scuffle between the guard and the suspect. The guard tried to apprehend the suspect for shoplifting but could not restrain him. The guard then called police to assist, but before they could arrive, the suspect drew a gun and pointed it at him.

 

That’s when the good Samaritan drew his own gun and fired three shots at the suspect, which caused him to turn away from the security guard and flee the area. The suspect didn’t get far: Another bystander tackled him as he tried to escape.

 

Well, with people wanting to defund the police, we’ll need more of this.

 

 

https://thereload.com/armed-civilian-saves-walmart-security-guard/

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

[ALF]

What we can learn from Canada on gun control

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/24/opinions/us-canada-gun-control-licensing-lee/index.html

[Backintheday544]

On 4/20/2021 at 3:35 PM, Boatdrinks said:

BilStime is a special breed of foolish. Republicans are not making it easier to get guns. It’s fine the way it is. As for voting, what’s so hard about showing an ID? Everyone does it for lots of things already. We know voter fraud occurred and does so often when all means of verification are stripped away and mass mailed unrequested ballots are stuffed into unwatched “ drop boxes”. It so easy to dismiss the possibility of large scale cheating as unproven while not allowing verification. It’s dumb to assume otherwise. Libs are so concerned about cheating in every other area , but can’t imagine a political party or voter would consider cheating. No way ! 

We know voter fraud occurred and does so often when all means of verification are stripped away and mass mailed unrequested ballots are stuffed into unwatched “ drop boxes

 

Proof of this? This election has been scrutinized so much I’m sure you have a case or something that shows this.
 

[BillStime]

 

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Is that gun transaction legal? 

Edited April 25, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Tiberius]

Quote

 

The Supreme Court announced Monday it will hear a major new gun control case next term, accepting a National Rifle Association-backed challenge that asks the court to declare there is a constitutional right to carry a weapon outside the home.

The court will hear the challenge to a century-old New York gun control law in the term that begins in October. It is considering a law that requires those who seek a permit to carry a concealed weapon show a special need for self-defense. It is similar to laws in Maryland, Massachusetts and elsewhere that the court in the past has declined to review.

Supreme Court passes up challenges pressed by gun rights groups

But the court’s new conservative majority has signaled it is more receptive to Second Amendment challenges. Several justices have said they are anxious to explore gun rights first acknowledged by the court in 2008, when it ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that individuals have the right to gun ownership for self-defense in their homes.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-guns-second-amendment-national-rifle-association/2021/04/26/83e865c8-a690-11eb-8c1a-56f0cb4ff3b5_story.html

The Supreme Court previously turned down a request to review the New York laws, and the state’s Attorney General Letitia James (D) had asked it to do so again.

The state’s law “has existed in the same essential form since 1913 and descends from a long Anglo-American tradition of regulating the carrying of firearms in public,” she wrote in a brief to the court.

She said it complied with the Supreme Court’s reasoning in Heller: “that the Second Amendment right is not unlimited and can be subject to state regulation consistent with the historical scope of the right.”

The case is brought by two men, Robert Nash and Brandon Koch. Each received a permit to carry a gun outside the home for hunting and target practice, but were turned down to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense.

[B-Man]

 

 

BREAKING: Supreme Court Takes Up First Gun Case in 10 Years.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/04/26/breaking-supreme-court-takes-up-first-gun-case-in-10-years-n1442742

[B-Man]

https://tennesseeconservativenews.com/measure-making-tennessee-a-second-amendment-sanctuary-state-passes-senate/

 

 

#RESISTANCE: Bill Making Tennessee a Second Amendment Sanctuary State Passes State Senate. 

 

“Sen. Frank Niceley, R-Strawberry Plains, said the bill would be similar to what many states have done by legalizing marijuana, using California and Washington as examples, despite the federal laws making the substance illegal. . . . The House is set to discuss and vote on its companion measure Thursday. Oklahoma, Montana, Arizona and Nebraska have created and passed similar laws this year.”

 

 

Flashback: Irish Democracy. 

 

“More regimes have been brought, piecemeal, to their knees by what was once called ‘Irish Democracy,’ the silent, dogged resistance, withdrawal, and truculence of millions of ordinary people, than by revolutionary vanguards or rioting mobs.”

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

CIVIL RIGHTS UPDATE: 

 

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott Says He Will Sign Constitutional Carry Bill.

 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/28/tx-gov-greg-abbott-says-will-sign-constitutional-carry-bill/

 

Currently, 20 states do not require residents to acquire a permit before carrying a concealed handgun for self-defense: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming. (NOTE: Tennessee’s constitutional carry law goes into effect July 1, 2021.)

[Tiberius]

But guns makers are in the clear! 

Quote

 

A US watchdog said the Tread and Tread+ machines pose a risk of injury or death to adults, children and pets if they get pulled underneath.

In addition to the death, Peloton had 72 reports of injuries such as broken bones, cuts and grazes.

Peloton boss John Foley said the firm had "made a mistake" in not recalling the machines sooner.

In March the firm warned parents to keep children away from its Tread+ machine after the death of the six-year-old, who was pulled underneath the rear of the treadmill.

At the time Mr Foley called it a "tragic accident" - one of a "small handful" of incidents in which children have been hurt on the firm's exercise equipment.

Peloton warning after ‘tragic’ child death

"I want to be clear, Peloton made a mistake in our initial response to the Consumer Product Safety Commission's request that we recall the Tread+," Mr Foley said in a statement on Wednesday.

"We should have engaged more productively with them from the outset. For that, I apologise."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56993894

[Boatdrinks]

On 4/28/2021 at 4:06 PM, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

CIVIL RIGHTS UPDATE: 

 

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott Says He Will Sign Constitutional Carry Bill.

 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/28/tx-gov-greg-abbott-says-will-sign-constitutional-carry-bill/

 

Currently, 20 states do not require residents to acquire a permit before carrying a concealed handgun for self-defense: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming. (NOTE: Tennessee’s constitutional carry law goes into effect July 1, 2021.)

Bravo! You’re going to need it in Biden’s America. Look at the armed BLM “ protests” in Louisville accosting outdoor diners. Coming soon to outdoor restaurant seating near you ! 

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Almost certainly not. Such a tax would be obviously punitive, having no relationship to the state’s general need to raise revenue, or to any cost imposed on the state by the sale of ammunition.

 

When a tax is obviously punitive, the courts will assume that the state’s intention is to effectively ban the thing taxed, and will analyze the tax regulation as if it were a ban of the thing in question.

 

While the Supreme Court has not fleshed out the scope of the Second Amendment’s individual rights to possess arms all that clearly, I find it exceedingly doubtful that a categorical ban on “bullets” of all sorts, regardless of material, type, caliber, or other characteristic, would meet muster under either the federal Second Amendment or the right-to-bear-arms provisions that exist in the constitutions of every US state, and thus a ban in the form of a prohibitive tax would be found unconstitutional.

 

It’s also possible that a court would find such a tax to be “irrational” and strike it down under the Fourteenth Amendment for serving no rational purpose, although frankly I would expect that option to be taken only by a court that wished to avoid ruling on the issue on the basis of the Second Amendment for some reason.

 

The federal government already imposes an excise tax on both firearms and ammunition (10 to 11 percent; the money goes to fund various wildlife programs), and many states and municipalities impose sales or excise taxes on firearms and ammunition sales as well.

 

The issue is not whether such transactions can be taxed at all, but whether an obviously punitive tax can be used as an end run around the prohibition on banning such goods. And the answer to that is fairly clearly no.

 

 

 

 

 

Can you source your response please?  Thanks 

[BillStime]

Found it for you Bonnie - lol

 

https://www.quora.com/Could-an-American-state-impose-a-sales-tax-on-ammunition-of-1000-per-bullet-without-violating-the-2nd-amendment