Mr. WEO Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I keep thinking that Milstein is going to have to get something out of all this. After all he wasn't buying up Falls property for the ambiance. Here's an idea: Build the stadium downtown but build a new Bills HQ and training facility in the Falls. Then move training camp there. Why does Milstein have to "get something" out of all of this? I don't get your fascination with this guy. His purchase of that land occurred years ago and had nothing to do with the Bills. Why would the Bills want to have their practice facility/training camp in NF? Makes no sense in any way to put it there. Why does your idea makes sense to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Why does Milstein have to "get something" out of all of this? I don't get your fascination with this guy. His purchase of that land occurred years ago and had nothing to do with the Bills. Why would the Bills want to have their practice facility/training camp in NF? Makes no sense in any way to put it there. Why does your idea makes sense to you? Why does a billionaire who is politically connected enough to have ran a major state agency buy up land in a ghetto like it's going out of style? The idea of a Falls stadium didn't just materialize. In fact Polancarz said as much that Erie County has been doing the math on a new stadium for years. You think Milstein was oblivious to that? Edited June 8, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) Why does a billionaire who is politically connected enough to have ran a major state agency buy up land in a ghetto like it's going out of style? The idea of a Falls stadium didn't just materialize. In fact Polancarz said as much that Erie County has been doing the math on a new stadium for years. You think Milstein was oblivious to that? Maybe Milstein, although he announced he wouldn't be bidding on the team itself, is Golisano's potential partner since he is now saying that he is not partnering with Congel. Apologies if this was already brought up in this or another thread. Golisano could buy the team, and Milstein provide the land for a future stadium. Edited June 9, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Why does a billionaire who is politically connected enough to have ran a major state agency buy up land in a ghetto like it's going out of style? The opportunity for non-Indian casino gambling...which is now off the table with the deal struck with the Seneca nation following the statewide constitutional referendum. Sorry, Howie. You lose. (BTW, the Thruway chairmanship is a window dressing position with little or no real clout) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Why does a billionaire who is politically connected enough to have ran a major state agency buy up land in a ghetto like it's going out of style? The idea of a Falls stadium didn't just materialize. In fact Polancarz said as much that Erie County has been doing the math on a new stadium for years. You think Milstein was oblivious to that? Milstein bought that property 16 years ago. It had nothing to do with the current plans for a Bills stadium, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise. Here's a good article refuting all you have claimed about NF as a location for the Bills: http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/Stories/2014/MAY06/ten.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 After his Sabre escapades, if you thought Ralph was cheap, this guy brings it to a new higher level. This is not good news Here in Rochester Golisano is known for his generosity. He bought the Sabres not to make money or because he was a hockey fan, he did it because the guy was raised here and cares about upstate NY and didn't want to see them leave Buff. I doubt you would see him do anything but try to improve the way Ralph managed his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Milstein bought that property 16 years ago. It had nothing to do with the current plans for a Bills stadium, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise. Here's a good article refuting all you have claimed about NF as a location for the Bills: http://www.niagarafa.../MAY06/ten.html You really expect to use such a poorly written article as proof of no Niagara Falls site??? Lets see : 1- repeatedly indicates 80,000 seat stadium when almost all indicate 60,000 - thats quite a few less people 2- indicates a stadium used 10x year has no impact - very true but all agree any new stadium would be a dome used 100x year 3- never mentions the main reason why Niagara Falls is attractive - its close proximity to the Toronto Corporate market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 The opportunity for non-Indian casino gambling...which is now off the table with the deal struck with the Seneca nation following the statewide constitutional referendum. Sorry, Howie. You lose. (BTW, the Thruway chairmanship is a window dressing position with little or no real clout) Stadium = Plan B. Also, you don't get a plum gig like that without having some clout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) Why does a billionaire who is politically connected enough to have ran a major state agency buy up land in a ghetto like it's going out of style? The idea of a Falls stadium didn't just materialize. In fact Polancarz said as much that Erie County has been doing the math on a new stadium for years. You think Milstein was oblivious to that? He could have bought that land with the future intention of urban development that has nothing to do with a stadium. Niagra Falls, NY should be a destination like the Canadian side is. Since no gaming or other development has happened he probably has stadium on his mind now. And if there is a new stadium I believe it should be put in downtown B-Lo regardless of Milstein's available land. Edited June 9, 2014 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 He could have bought that land with the future intention of urban development that has nothing to do with a stadium. Niagra Falls, NY should be a destination like the Canadian side is. Since no gaming or other development has happened he probably has stadium on his mind now. And if there is a new stadium I believe it should be put in downtown B-Lo regardless of Milstein's available land. That could well be. Downtown in my mind is the ideal location but it would not shock me if politics put it in NF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) I think you are overpaying the Falls traffic card. Are you seriously arguing the Falls can't deal with a couple thousand people at Bills training camp? For heaven's sake it's a tourist area, not some remote island. It is possible to travel in and out by car. I think your not thinking things through. It's obvious you've never been involved in large scale development projects. My background, I worked with Triad electric and control, MMR group, Haliburton, BIDC and several other large scale project developers building large scale industrial projects ranging from rail accessed power plants to large scale industrial sites with a significant increase in traffic flows in an urgan environment and I can assure you minimizing cost at the public level (i.e infrastructure upgrades directly related to the project) is directly behind the ROI in those Pro Forma's. From what I'm gathering, no site is viable due to traffic and parking. I realize it's sarcasm, but as I stated, there are more condusive sites when reviewing existing traffic studies. The main North/South artery outside of the thruway for the Buffalo/Niagara Falls corridor is Niagara Falls Blvd. That is a nightmare during rush hours, Game day's would be no different. That could well be. Downtown in my mind is the ideal location but it would not shock me if politics put it in NF. I don't know how politics would put it in the Falls. Maziarz just inturred that district to his own in recent years, and although George is a power player in the Senate at the state level, he wouldn't hold the cards on skin in the game from the state level. That honor would fall to Featherstonehaugh, Wiley and Cline, LLP, the holders of the NYSPF purse strings. Any major movement of capital like this would surely involve them. The state doesn't just hand out money, and they don't normally add additional taxes each year for projects such as this, they borrow it and normally from the NYSPF with a nice rate of return. They are called General Obligation Bonds, and the pension fund eats them up. Edited June 9, 2014 by HopefulFuture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Milstein bought that property 16 years ago. It had nothing to do with the current plans for a Bills stadium, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise. Here's a good article refuting all you have claimed about NF as a location for the Bills: http://www.niagarafa.../MAY06/ten.html Interesting that traffic is listed as #1. And spot on, I've been through this with Mayor Dyster and, at the time, David Griggs, representing agent of the Buffalo-Niagara Development Agency. This article is very accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I just read that Golisano is engaged to tennis legend Monica Seles. He is 72 while she is 40. Very strange. If Golisano bought the team Seles would likely be our owner at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 You really expect to use such a poorly written article as proof of no Niagara Falls site??? Lets see : 1- repeatedly indicates 80,000 seat stadium when almost all indicate 60,000 - thats quite a few less people 2- indicates a stadium used 10x year has no impact - very true but all agree any new stadium would be a dome used 100x year 3- never mentions the main reason why Niagara Falls is attractive - its close proximity to the Toronto Corporate market If you read further (or better) you would see that this town struggles to accomodate 30,000 people, so whether the stadium is filled with 60,000 or 80,000--your point is poorly made. Also, "all agree" that a football stadium in NF would be in use (rented) for 100 functions a year? I think you are alone in that "agreement". For example, one of the most popular stadium venues is ATT Stadium. Yet it has only 34 events (including Cowboys games) occupying the space for a total of 49 days in the entirety of 2014. Lucas Field, which many here cite as a model set-up, has only 39 events scheduled in the next 12 months. Only 16 involve more than 5000 people and 10 of them are Colts games. 18 of the 39 events have less than 1000 people. Therefore both stadiums are emtpy for 85% of the year. Dreams of a "multi-use stadium" that will generate significant revenue for the stadium owner are completely unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 daniel kaplan @dkaplanSBJ 3m Don't be fooled by all bills buyers talk. Investment bank hasn't even begun outreach to potential buyers yet. Should begin in next 2 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Well, we knew that, right? Who is fooled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 daniel kaplan @dkaplanSBJ 3m Don't be fooled by all bills buyers talk. Investment bank hasn't even begun outreach to potential buyers yet. Should begin in next 2 weeks I think they are having traffic and parking problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 I think they are having traffic and parking problems. They are first trying to arrange a tailgate for the potential buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 No. They're busy tailgating. No. They're busy tailgating. Too slow! Dang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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