row_33 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Things move fast up here, in 1994 the Ontario health care card was to be phased out in place of a new ID with picture they just announced it will finally be invalid in July 2020 and that 2 percent still use the old one Invalid such that having to pay up front will be reimbursed when one gets the new card 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 BUREAUCRATIC CODING MAKES HEALTHCARE COST TOO MUCH: There’s a clear bias in favor of government-controlled healthcare in this Reuters analysis but it still manages to provide a clear description of how bureaucracy and code manipulation drive spiraling medical bills higher. What’s left unsaid, of course, is that the federal government is the original healthcare code maker. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Fact check: Trump falsely claims to have 'saved' pre-existing ... https://www.cnn.com › fact-check-bloomberg-trump-pre-existing-conditions 13 hours ago - Fact check: Trump falsely claims to have 'saved' pre-existing conditions protections. By Tami Luhby, CNN. Updated 10:51 PM ET, Mon January ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Good!! This is a huge political cover for Democrats. Trump trying to blow up health care system again. Only John McCain saved them last time. Quote The Supreme Court on Monday said it will take up a Republican challenge to Obamacare, in a move that boosts Democrats who want to highlight the lawsuit’s threat to health care coverage during campaign season. The justices said they would hear the case, likely later this year, after turning down an earlier request from Democrats to fast-track a ruling by June. The decision increases pressure on President Donald Trump over health care, a top concern for voters and an issue that has benefited Democrats since the GOP's failed effort to repeal Obamacare during Trump's first year in office. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/02/supreme-court-obamacare-case-118643 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Good!! This is a huge political cover for Democrats. Trump trying to blow up health care system again. Only John McCain saved them last time. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/02/supreme-court-obamacare-case-118643 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, Foxx said: No crying here, people want to talk about the Dems plans, just look at what Trump wants to do! Dems win that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No crying here, people want to talk about the Dems plans, just look at what Trump wants to do! Dems win that oh please, minister of truth... what does Trump want to do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Foxx said: oh please, minister of truth... what does Trump want to do? He has signed onto the suit to have Obamacare ruled unconstitutional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He has signed onto the suit to have Obamacare ruled unconstitutional So what if it is unconstitutional? The ends justify the means right? Can we get a grown up to take of Tibs' account please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Is there anything that Obama did that wasn't unconstitutional? He took shortcuts in nearly everything he did. He wouldn't put the work in to turning his agenda into law except for the ACA which he lied and bribed to get passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He has signed onto the suit to have Obamacare ruled unconstitutional and if it is ruled to be unconstitutional... how and why should it be allowed to exist in a country built on the Constitution? you do realize that, going back to your first statement in this exchange, it was the Democrats who blew up existing health coverage, right? not to mention the fact that what they did caused coverage to sky rocket 300% and that is for lessor plans. but... Trump. Edited March 2, 2020 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 17 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: So what if it is unconstitutional? The ends justify the means right? Can we get a grown up to take of Tibs' account please? Sure! Blowing up the health care industry is Trump's right if the court says so. Great election issue for my side. And what? 8 minutes ago, Foxx said: and if it is ruled to be unconstitutional... how and why should it be allowed to exist in a country built on the Constitution? you do realize that, going back to your first statement in this exchange, it was the Democrats who blew up existing health coverage, right? not to mention the fact that what they did caused coverage to sky rocket 300% and that is for lessor plans. but... Trump. The Dems blew it up? By covering 30 million more people? That's real silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sure! Blowing up the health care industry is Trump's right if the court says so. Great election issue for my side. And what? So, you want what you consider bad things to happen to U.S. citizens so that it gives "your side" election issues? You sure that's not the only issue? Maybe you want bad things to happen to our citizens so that you can laugh loudly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: So, you want what you consider bad things to happen to U.S. citizens so that it gives "your side" election issues? You sure that's not the only issue? Maybe you want bad things to happen to our citizens so that you can laugh loudly? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 43 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sure! Blowing up the health care industry is Trump's right if the court says so. Great election issue for my side. And what? The Dems blew it up? By covering 30 million more people? That's real silly See Tibs, here in a land with laws, you have to make sure new laws are constitutional. I mean, for sure you would be all about the law if someone was attacking you, no? Grown ups understand the rule of law holds, above all else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, CoudyBills said: See Tibs, here in a land with laws, you have to make sure new laws are constitutional. I mean, for sure you would be all about the law if someone was attacking you, no? Grown ups understand the rule of law holds, above all else. Constitutionality is pretty much a matter of opinion. Don't you know that? Also funny how the court isn't going to decide until after the election. They know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: ... The Dems blew it up? By covering 30 million more people? That's real silly back to the reasoning i see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Tiberius said: Constitutionality is pretty much a matter of opinion. Don't you know that? Also funny how the court isn't going to decide until after the election. They know Yeah, I would expect that from my 10 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 WHAT AMERICA'S THINKING Poll: Health care named top issue for voters, rises from last year As Trump's Justice Department and Red State's are trying to ***** away health care from 30 million Americans. Good job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 MEDICARE-FOR-ALL A GODSEND FOR HEALTHCARE FRAUDSTERS: Democrats are all about Medicare for All to expand the 55-year-old federal health care program to cover all Americans. But judging by the program’s equally long record of waste, fraud and corruption, might we expect the biggest supporters of Medicare expansion to be those who expect to rip it off on a grand scale? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 ObamaCare: 10 years of distress and disappointment The Hill [DC], by Chris Talgo Original Article March 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of the passage of the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare. In its first decade, ObamaCare has failed to solve many of the health care problems it was supposed to address. Even worse, it has compounded many of the issues it was meant to fix — the law of unintended consequences in action. First, then-candidate Barack Obama said his namesake act would “cut the cost of a typical family’s premiums by up to $2,500 a year.” In reality, the opposite has occurred. According to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), “premiums have doubled for individual health insurance plans since 2013 More at Link: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 31 minutes ago, B-Man said: ObamaCare: 10 years of distress and disappointment The Hill [DC], by Chris Talgo Original Article March 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of the passage of the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare. In its first decade, ObamaCare has failed to solve many of the health care problems it was supposed to address. Even worse, it has compounded many of the issues it was meant to fix — the law of unintended consequences in action. First, then-candidate Barack Obama said his namesake act would “cut the cost of a typical family’s premiums by up to $2,500 a year.” In reality, the opposite has occurred. According to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), “premiums have doubled for individual health insurance plans since 2013 More at Link: ...ObamaCare=HillaryCare............the Dynasty propped him up....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 4 hours ago, B-Man said: ObamaCare: 10 years of distress and disappointment The Hill [DC], by Chris Talgo Original Article March 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of the passage of the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare. In its first decade, ObamaCare has failed to solve many of the health care problems it was supposed to address. Even worse, it has compounded many of the issues it was meant to fix — the law of unintended consequences in action. First, then-candidate Barack Obama said his namesake act would “cut the cost of a typical family’s premiums by up to $2,500 a year.” In reality, the opposite has occurred. According to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), “premiums have doubled for individual health insurance plans since 2013 More at Link: Well, if it weren't for those damned obstructionist Republicans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 8 hours ago, B-Man said: ObamaCare: 10 years of distress and disappointment The Hill [DC], by Chris Talgo Original Article March 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of the passage of the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare. In its first decade, ObamaCare has failed to solve many of the health care problems it was supposed to address. Even worse, it has compounded many of the issues it was meant to fix — the law of unintended consequences in action. First, then-candidate Barack Obama said his namesake act would “cut the cost of a typical family’s premiums by up to $2,500 a year.” In reality, the opposite has occurred. According to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), “premiums have doubled for individual health insurance plans since 2013 More at Link: Yep, we know all too well over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 #WINNING: Congress Quietly Repeals More of Obamacare. EXACTLY: Health Care Is a Right Only if Doctors Surrender Theirs. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, B-Man said: EXACTLY: Health Care Is a Right Only if Doctors Surrender Theirs. You know, that's one question I wish someone would ask Bernie and Biden: What's their plan if doctors refuse to accept medicare? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Day one! Obamacare goes on day one! Promises kept! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Day one! Obamacare goes on day one! Promises kept! ? I wouldn't be so quick with the satire there Tibs. If ObamaCare was the program the Democrats cooked up to fix health care in this country....why is health care your reported #1 issue just six or seven years later? Is it possible they didn't read it before passing it? Have you even stopped to think that it's the Dems who are running on fixing it? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 13 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I wouldn't be so quick with the satire there Tibs. If ObamaCare was the program the Democrats cooked up to fix health care in this country....why is health care your reported #1 issue just six or seven years later? Is it possible they didn't read it before passing it? Have you even stopped to think that it's the Dems who are running on fixing it? Very easy to answer. It was as far as they could go at the time. Now it's time to expand it. Many of the red states refused to accept the help out of spite. Still more work needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Very easy to answer. It was as far as they could go at the time. Now it's time to expand it. Many of the red states refused to accept the help out of spite. Still more work needs to be done. Hey, while you're here, do you still think that we should stop all air travel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 54 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Very easy to answer. It was as far as they could go at the time. Now it's time to expand it. Many of the red states refused to accept the help out of spite. Still more work needs to be done. Hilarious! They controlled EVERY house of government and ‘that’s as far as they could go’? In other words they screwed it all up royally so they could swoop in and fix the mess they made! Just like student loans and the housing bubble. Please....we’re begging you....stop trying to help us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Hilarious! They controlled EVERY house of government and ‘that’s as far as they could go’? In other words they screwed it all up royally so they could swoop in and fix the mess they made! Just like student loans and the housing bubble. Please....we’re begging you....stop trying to help us! It's a great success. Coverage expanded for 30 million people. You guys are so angry those people get to go see a doctor now. Get over it, move on already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Before Obama became president he said that single payer was going to take something like 20-25 years to get done. That we couldn't do it all at once, it had to be incremental. The camel has his nose under the tent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It's a great success. Coverage expanded for 30 million people. You guys are so angry those people get to go see a doctor now. Get over it, move on already It’s a tremendous flop ! It made the cost of insurance skyrocket for many , all to give “ coverage” to those who were receiving care anyway. Way too much money spent to accomplish very little, a classic Democratic program. Edited March 10, 2020 by Boatdrinks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, Boatdrinks said: It’s a tremendous flop ! It made the cost of insurance to skyrocket for many , all to give “ coverage” to those who were receiving care anyway. Way too much money spent to accomplish very little, a classic Democratic program. No, it didn't make costs increase, those were increasing anyway, more elderly, more new and expensive medicines, treatments and procedures. 30 million covered, Good Job Obama! People still made that others can go see a doctor. Haters suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, it didn't make costs increase, those were increasing anyway, more elderly, more new and expensive medicines, treatments and procedures. 30 million covered, Good Job Obama! People still made that others can go see a doctor. Haters suck We speak English here. If in doubt use your native Pig Latin and then send it through Google Translator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Obamacare At 10: A Big F-ing Failure Issues & Insights, by The Editorial Board Original Article Ten years ago this month, when President Obama Barack was signing Obamacare into law, Vice President Joe Biden said to him in a stage whisper “This is a big f***ing deal.” A decade later, Obamacare has turned out to be a big f***ing failure. And Biden is now promising to expand it. Remember “you can keep your plan”? Or “family premiums will go down by $2,500”? How about the claim that Obamacare would cut the number of uninsured in half? That it would dramatically reduce the federal deficit? And that it would make the health care industry more efficient? None of it came true. The very name of the law – The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act – was an exercise in false advertising. Affordable? Premiums in the individual market doubled in Obamacare’s first four years. The result was that millions of middle-class families found themselves priced out of the insurance market altogether. Patient protection? Those who could afford the premiums faced enormous deductibles for HMO-style plans that strictly limited which doctors they could see and hospitals they could use – unless they wanted to pay the entire costs out of pocket. Those who get insurance through work didn’t see any savings, either. Where Obama promised that families would see premiums drop by $2,500, they went up faster in the five years after Obamacare than in the five years before . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 5 hours ago, B-Man said: Obamacare At 10: A Big F-ing Failure Issues & Insights, by The Editorial Board Original Article Ten years ago this month, when President Obama Barack was signing Obamacare into law, Vice President Joe Biden said to him in a stage whisper “This is a big f***ing deal.” A decade later, Obamacare has turned out to be a big f***ing failure. And Biden is now promising to expand it. Remember “you can keep your plan”? Or “family premiums will go down by $2,500”? How about the claim that Obamacare would cut the number of uninsured in half? That it would dramatically reduce the federal deficit? And that it would make the health care industry more efficient? None of it came true. The very name of the law – The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act – was an exercise in false advertising. Affordable? Premiums in the individual market doubled in Obamacare’s first four years. The result was that millions of middle-class families found themselves priced out of the insurance market altogether. Patient protection? Those who could afford the premiums faced enormous deductibles for HMO-style plans that strictly limited which doctors they could see and hospitals they could use – unless they wanted to pay the entire costs out of pocket. Those who get insurance through work didn’t see any savings, either. Where Obama promised that families would see premiums drop by $2,500, they went up faster in the five years after Obamacare than in the five years before . Damn that obstructionist GOP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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