The Affordable Care Act II - Because Mr. Obama Loves You All

[row_33]

Things move fast up here, in 1994 the Ontario  health care card was to be phased out in place of a new ID with picture 

 

they just announced it will finally be invalid in July 2020 and that 2 percent still use the old one

 

Invalid such that having to pay up front will be reimbursed when one gets the new card

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

BUREAUCRATIC CODING MAKES HEALTHCARE COST TOO MUCH:

 

There’s a clear bias in favor of government-controlled healthcare in this Reuters analysis 

 

but it still manages to provide a clear description of how bureaucracy and code manipulation drive spiraling medical bills higher.

 

What’s left unsaid, of course, is that the federal government is the original healthcare code maker.

 

 

 

 

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[Tiberius]

Fact check: Trump falsely claims to have 'saved' pre-existing ...

 

https://www.cnn.com › fact-check-bloomberg-trump-pre-existing-conditions

13 hours ago - Fact check: Trump falsely claims to have 'saved' pre-existing conditions protections. By Tami Luhby, CNN. Updated 10:51 PM ET, Mon January ...

 

[Tiberius]

Good!! This is a huge political cover for Democrats. Trump trying to blow up health care system again. Only John McCain saved them last time. 

 

Quote

 

The Supreme Court on Monday said it will take up a Republican challenge to Obamacare, in a move that boosts Democrats who want to highlight the lawsuit’s threat to health care coverage during campaign season.

The justices said they would hear the case, likely later this year, after turning down an earlier request from Democrats to fast-track a ruling by June. The decision increases pressure on President Donald Trump over health care, a top concern for voters and an issue that has benefited Democrats since the GOP's failed effort to repeal Obamacare during Trump's first year in office.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/02/supreme-court-obamacare-case-118643

[Foxx]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Good!! This is a huge political cover for Democrats. Trump trying to blow up health care system again. Only John McCain saved them last time. 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/02/supreme-court-obamacare-case-118643

[Tiberius]

35 minutes ago, Foxx said:

No crying here, people want to talk about the Dems plans, just look at what Trump wants to do! 

 

Dems win that 

[Foxx]

26 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No crying here, people want to talk about the Dems plans, just look at what Trump wants to do! 

 

Dems win that 

oh please, minister of truth... what does Trump want to do?

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, Foxx said:

oh please, minister of truth... what does Trump want to do?

He has signed onto the suit to have Obamacare ruled unconstitutional 

[CoudyBills]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

He has signed onto the suit to have Obamacare ruled unconstitutional 

So what if it is unconstitutional?  The ends justify the means right?  Can we get a grown up to take of Tibs' account please?

[3rdnlng]

Is there anything that Obama did that wasn't unconstitutional? He took shortcuts in nearly everything he did. He wouldn't put the work in to turning his agenda into law except for the ACA which he lied and bribed to get passed. 

[Foxx]

17 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

He has signed onto the suit to have Obamacare ruled unconstitutional 

and if it is ruled to be unconstitutional... how and why should it be allowed to exist in a country built on the Constitution?

 

you do realize that, going back to your first statement in this exchange, it was the Democrats who blew up existing health coverage, right? not to mention the fact that what they did caused coverage to sky rocket 300% and that is for lessor plans. 

 

but...  Trump.

Edited March 2, 2020 by Foxx

[Tiberius]

17 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

So what if it is unconstitutional?  The ends justify the means right?  Can we get a grown up to take of Tibs' account please?

Sure! Blowing up the health care industry is Trump's right if the court says so. Great election issue for my side. 

 

And what? 

8 minutes ago, Foxx said:

and if it is ruled to be unconstitutional... how and why should it be allowed to exist in a country built on the Constitution?

 

you do realize that, going back to your first statement in this exchange, it was the Democrats who blew up existing health coverage, right? not to mention the fact that what they did caused coverage to sky rocket 300% and that is for lessor plans. 

 

but...  Trump.

The Dems blew it up? By covering 30 million more people?  That's real silly 

[3rdnlng]

11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Sure! Blowing up the health care industry is Trump's right if the court says so. Great election issue for my side. 

 

And what? 

So, you want what you consider bad things to happen to U.S. citizens so that it gives "your side" election issues? You sure that's not the only issue? Maybe you want bad things to happen to our citizens so that you can laugh loudly?

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, you want what you consider bad things to happen to U.S. citizens so that it gives "your side" election issues? You sure that's not the only issue? Maybe you want bad things to happen to our citizens so that you can laugh loudly?

What? 

[CoudyBills]

43 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Sure! Blowing up the health care industry is Trump's right if the court says so. Great election issue for my side. 

 

And what? 

The Dems blew it up? By covering 30 million more people?  That's real silly 

See Tibs, here in a land with laws, you have to make sure new laws are constitutional.  I mean, for sure you would be all about the law if someone was attacking you, no?  Grown ups understand the rule of law holds, above all else.  

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, CoudyBills said:

See Tibs, here in a land with laws, you have to make sure new laws are constitutional.  I mean, for sure you would be all about the law if someone was attacking you, no?  Grown ups understand the rule of law holds, above all else.  

Constitutionality is pretty much a matter of opinion. Don't you know that? 

 

Also funny how the court isn't going to decide until after the election. They know 

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

... The Dems blew it up? By covering 30 million more people?  That's real silly 

back to the

reasoning i see.

[CoudyBills]

7 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Constitutionality is pretty much a matter of opinion. Don't you know that? 

 

Also funny how the court isn't going to decide until after the election. They know 

Yeah, I would expect that from my 10 year old.  

[Tiberius]

• 

  WHAT AMERICA'S THINKING

  Poll: Health care named top issue for voters, rises from last year

   

  As Trump's Justice Department and Red State's are trying to ***** away health care from 30 million Americans. Good job! 

[B-Man]

 

 

MEDICARE-FOR-ALL A GODSEND FOR HEALTHCARE FRAUDSTERS: 

 

Democrats are all about Medicare for All  to expand the 55-year-old federal health care program to cover all Americans.

 

But judging by the program’s equally long record of waste, fraud and corruption, might we expect the biggest supporters of Medicare expansion to be those who expect to rip it off on a grand scale?

 

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

 

ObamaCare: 10 years of distress and disappointment

The Hill [DC], by Chris Talgo

 

Original Article

 

March 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of the passage of the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare.

 

In its first decade, ObamaCare has failed to solve many of the health care problems it was supposed to address. Even worse, it has compounded many of the issues it was meant to fix — the law of unintended consequences in action.

 

First, then-candidate Barack Obama said his namesake act would “cut the cost of a typical family’s premiums by up to $2,500 a year.” In reality, the opposite has occurred. According to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), “premiums have doubled for individual health insurance plans since 2013

 

 

More at Link:

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

31 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

ObamaCare: 10 years of distress and disappointment

The Hill [DC], by Chris Talgo

 

Original Article

 

March 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of the passage of the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare.

 

In its first decade, ObamaCare has failed to solve many of the health care problems it was supposed to address. Even worse, it has compounded many of the issues it was meant to fix — the law of unintended consequences in action.

 

First, then-candidate Barack Obama said his namesake act would “cut the cost of a typical family’s premiums by up to $2,500 a year.” In reality, the opposite has occurred. According to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), “premiums have doubled for individual health insurance plans since 2013

 

 

More at Link:

 

 

...ObamaCare=HillaryCare............the Dynasty propped him up.......

[Koko78]

4 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

ObamaCare: 10 years of distress and disappointment

The Hill [DC], by Chris Talgo

 

Original Article

 

March 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of the passage of the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare.

 

In its first decade, ObamaCare has failed to solve many of the health care problems it was supposed to address. Even worse, it has compounded many of the issues it was meant to fix — the law of unintended consequences in action.

 

First, then-candidate Barack Obama said his namesake act would “cut the cost of a typical family’s premiums by up to $2,500 a year.” In reality, the opposite has occurred. According to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), “premiums have doubled for individual health insurance plans since 2013

 

 

More at Link:

 

Well, if it weren't for those damned obstructionist Republicans...

[keepthefaith]

8 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

ObamaCare: 10 years of distress and disappointment

The Hill [DC], by Chris Talgo

 

Original Article

 

March 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of the passage of the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare.

 

In its first decade, ObamaCare has failed to solve many of the health care problems it was supposed to address. Even worse, it has compounded many of the issues it was meant to fix — the law of unintended consequences in action.

 

First, then-candidate Barack Obama said his namesake act would “cut the cost of a typical family’s premiums by up to $2,500 a year.” In reality, the opposite has occurred. According to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), “premiums have doubled for individual health insurance plans since 2013

 

 

More at Link:

 

Yep, we know all too well over here.

[B-Man]

#WINNING: Congress Quietly Repeals More of Obamacare.

 

 

 

 

EXACTLY: Health Care Is a Right Only if Doctors Surrender Theirs.

 

 

 

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[Koko78]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

EXACTLY: Health Care Is a Right Only if Doctors Surrender Theirs.

 

You know, that's one question I wish someone would ask Bernie and Biden: What's their plan if doctors refuse to accept medicare?

[Tiberius]

Day one! Obamacare goes on day one! 

 

Promises kept! ?

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Day one! Obamacare goes on day one! 

 

Promises kept! ?

I wouldn't be so quick with the satire there Tibs. If ObamaCare was the program the Democrats cooked up to fix health care in this country....why is health care your reported #1 issue just six or seven years later? Is it possible they didn't read it before passing it?  Have you even stopped to think that it's the Dems who are running on fixing it?

[Tiberius]

13 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I wouldn't be so quick with the satire there Tibs. If ObamaCare was the program the Democrats cooked up to fix health care in this country....why is health care your reported #1 issue just six or seven years later? Is it possible they didn't read it before passing it?  Have you even stopped to think that it's the Dems who are running on fixing it?

Very easy to answer. It was as far as they could go at the time. Now it's time to expand it. Many of the red states refused to accept the help out of spite. Still more work needs to be done. 

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Very easy to answer. It was as far as they could go at the time. Now it's time to expand it. Many of the red states refused to accept the help out of spite. Still more work needs to be done. 

Hey, while you're here, do you still think that we should stop all air travel?

[SoCal Deek]

54 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Very easy to answer. It was as far as they could go at the time. Now it's time to expand it. Many of the red states refused to accept the help out of spite. Still more work needs to be done. 

Hilarious! They controlled EVERY house of government and ‘that’s as far as they could go’? In other words they screwed it all up royally so they could swoop in and fix the mess they made! Just like student loans and the housing bubble. Please....we’re begging you....stop trying to help us!

[Tiberius]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Hilarious! They controlled EVERY house of government and ‘that’s as far as they could go’? In other words they screwed it all up royally so they could swoop in and fix the mess they made! Just like student loans and the housing bubble. Please....we’re begging you....stop trying to help us!

It's a great success. Coverage expanded for 30 million people. You guys are so angry those people get to go see a doctor now. Get over it, move on already 

[3rdnlng]

Before Obama became president he said that single payer was going to take something like 20-25 years to get done. That we couldn't do it all at once, it had to be incremental. The camel has his nose under the tent. 

[Boatdrinks]

58 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It's a great success. Coverage expanded for 30 million people. You guys are so angry those people get to go see a doctor now. Get over it, move on already 

It’s a tremendous flop ! It made the cost of insurance skyrocket for many , all to give “ coverage” to those who were receiving care anyway. Way too much money spent to accomplish very little, a classic Democratic program. 

Edited March 10, 2020 by Boatdrinks

[Tiberius]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

It’s a tremendous flop ! It made the cost of insurance to skyrocket for many , all to give “ coverage” to those who were receiving care anyway. Way too much money spent to accomplish very little, a classic Democratic program. 

No, it didn't make costs increase, those were increasing anyway, more elderly, more new and expensive medicines, treatments and procedures. 

 

30 million covered, Good Job Obama! 

 

People still made that others can go see a doctor. Haters suck 

[3rdnlng]

18 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, it didn't make costs increase, those were increasing anyway, more elderly, more new and expensive medicines, treatments and procedures. 

 

30 million covered, Good Job Obama! 

 

People still made that others can go see a doctor. Haters suck 

We speak English here. If in doubt use your native Pig Latin and then send it through Google Translator. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Obamacare At 10: A Big F-ing Failure

Issues & Insights, by The Editorial Board

 

Original Article

 

 

Ten years ago this month, when President Obama Barack was signing Obamacare into law, Vice President Joe Biden said to him in a stage whisper “This is a big f***ing deal.” A decade later, Obamacare has turned out to be a big f***ing failure. And Biden is now promising to expand it.

 

Remember “you can keep your plan”? Or “family premiums will go down by $2,500”? How about the claim that Obamacare would cut the number of uninsured in half? That it would dramatically reduce the federal deficit? And that it would make the health care industry more efficient? 

 

None of it came true.

 

The very name of the law – The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act – was an exercise in false advertising.

 

Affordable? Premiums in the individual market doubled in Obamacare’s first four years. The result was that millions of middle-class families found themselves priced out of the insurance market altogether. Patient protection? Those who could afford the premiums faced enormous deductibles for HMO-style plans that strictly limited which doctors they could see and hospitals they could use – unless they wanted to pay the entire costs out of pocket.

 

Those who get insurance through work didn’t see any savings, either. Where Obama promised that families would see premiums drop by $2,500,  they went up faster in the five years after Obamacare than in the five years before

 

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[Koko78]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Obamacare At 10: A Big F-ing Failure

Issues & Insights, by The Editorial Board

 

Original Article

 

 

Ten years ago this month, when President Obama Barack was signing Obamacare into law, Vice President Joe Biden said to him in a stage whisper “This is a big f***ing deal.” A decade later, Obamacare has turned out to be a big f***ing failure. And Biden is now promising to expand it.

 

Remember “you can keep your plan”? Or “family premiums will go down by $2,500”? How about the claim that Obamacare would cut the number of uninsured in half? That it would dramatically reduce the federal deficit? And that it would make the health care industry more efficient? 

 

None of it came true.

 

The very name of the law – The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act – was an exercise in false advertising.

 

Affordable? Premiums in the individual market doubled in Obamacare’s first four years. The result was that millions of middle-class families found themselves priced out of the insurance market altogether. Patient protection? Those who could afford the premiums faced enormous deductibles for HMO-style plans that strictly limited which doctors they could see and hospitals they could use – unless they wanted to pay the entire costs out of pocket.

 

Those who get insurance through work didn’t see any savings, either. Where Obama promised that families would see premiums drop by $2,500,  they went up faster in the five years after Obamacare than in the five years before

 

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Damn that obstructionist GOP!

[Tiberius]

https://www.kff.org/interactive/kff-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=twoYear

[B-Man]