Marrone defends EJ

[TPS]

from BB.com: http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2013/11/13/marrone-answers-criticism-for-manuel/

 

For the record, I thought EJ and the O was turning the corner in the Cleveland game, so I agree.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

from BB.com: http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2013/11/13/marrone-answers-criticism-for-manuel/

 

For the record, I thought EJ and the O was turning the corner in the Cleveland game, so I agree.

 

That list is a total suck-fest. Is that saying Wilson, Big Ben, Flacco, Eli, Rivers, RG3 didn't even make top 10?

 

I really hate that Geno is above him.

[vincec]

That list is a total suck-fest. Is that saying Wilson, Big Ben, Flacco, Eli, Rivers, RG3 didn't even make top 10?

 

I really hate that Geno is above him.

Apparently, but it's false. For example here are RGIII statistics for his first 5 games during his rookie season:

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/14875/year/2012/robert-griffin-iii

 

These stats would put him at the top of the list, so it looks like some cherry picking is going on to try and defend Manuel and fake out the public.

Edited November 13, 2013 by vincec

[jaybee]

I really hate that Geno is above him.

 

As do I, but cant even begin to argue otherwise. Geno, while inconsistent has made quite a few NFL caliber throws. I think I can count on one hand the number of NFL throws EJ has made. Geno is fun to watch. You know he has the ability to light it up. EJ? Well, the next time he lights it up will be his 1st.

 

Marrone needs to evaluate this kid and let him play wide open the rest of the season. He needs to know if the kid has even an ounce of potential in this league. If he was wrong on EJ (I know I certainly was) he needs to take action sooner, rather than later.

 

My guess is EJ will be a career back-up QB. Yea, its early to say that but my god he just doesnt look like he belongs. I hope I can eat a lot of crow on that too, believe me.

[reddogblitz]

EJ? Well, the next time he lights it up will be his 1st.

 

EJ in fact lit it up the first half vs the Ravens. 20 points in the 1st half. 70+ yards receiving to Woods including a 40 yard TD pass and a 20 yard look in pass.

 

Yeah, he stunk vs the Steel Curtain. But that doesn't mean he hasn't done anything good this season.

[atlbillsfan1975]

So far EJ looks like a guy that should have been picked in the third round.

Now EJ also has the potential to be a guy that could be the next franchise QB. EJ has all the ability and the presence to be that guy.

I have got to wonder at what point does the fact Hackett is maybe not a good QB coach and OC come into play here?

[swnybillsfan]

EJ in fact lit it up the first half vs the Ravens. 20 points in the 1st half. 70+ yards receiving to Woods including a 40 yard TD pass and a 20 yard look in pass.

 

Yeah, he stunk vs the Steel Curtain. But that doesn't mean he hasn't done anything good this season.

he was absolutely rotten against the steelers, but that by no means tells us he is a bust. nor does it erase the positives that we have seen from him this season. and i would be really concerned at this point if his coach was not defending him. inconsistent with flashes of talent and one clunker through six starts, let's see what he's got in the next six.

[Wazzu Bill]

Is that list supposed to be the top 10 rookie quarterback ratings through 5 games? If so, then this:

Apparently, but it's false. For example here are RGIII statistics for his first 5 games during his rookie season:

 

http://espn.go.com/n...ert-griffin-iii

 

These stats would put him at the top of the list, so it looks like some cherry picking is going on to try and defend Manuel and fake out the public.

 

I don't know what that article/interview is trying to pull...or maybe I'm misunderstanding something =/

[John from Riverside]

Dont you know Red? Its only about his last game.....unless of course he does well this week

[RuntheDamnBall]

Dick Lebeau has eaten up and confused rookie QBs many times -- and I hesitate to believe that Hackett was prepared for this. I think EJ played poorly in this game and against the Jets, but I do think he has shown some promise. Obviously there is just under half a season to play here -- and dude has missed a quarter of it.

 

The torch and pitchfork crew will always target somebody.

 

While we're at it, no one wants to talk about how the running game was absolute milquetoast, or how we're not dialing down the pressure on said QB with screens (other than one dropped by Chris Gragg) and slants, but EJ sucks amirite?

[Big Turk]

As do I, but cant even begin to argue otherwise. Geno, while inconsistent has made quite a few NFL caliber throws. I think I can count on one hand the number of NFL throws EJ has made. Geno is fun to watch. You know he has the ability to light it up. EJ? Well, the next time he lights it up will be his 1st.

 

Marrone needs to evaluate this kid and let him play wide open the rest of the season. He needs to know if the kid has even an ounce of potential in this league. If he was wrong on EJ (I know I certainly was) he needs to take action sooner, rather than later.

 

My guess is EJ will be a career back-up QB. Yea, its early to say that but my god he just doesnt look like he belongs. I hope I can eat a lot of crow on that too, believe me.

 

EJ seems to have "Trent Edwards Disease", in which he is so afraid of making a mistake, he would rather check the ball down constantly than take a chance of throwing an INT. Sad part is, he has the arm strength to put the ball into tight spots unlike Edwards. His footwork definitely needs some work tho, IMHO, its a large part of his poor ball location on throws...

 

he was absolutely rotten against the steelers, but that by no means tells us he is a bust. nor does it erase the positives that we have seen from him this season. and i would be really concerned at this point if his coach was not defending him. inconsistent with flashes of talent and one clunker through six starts, let's see what he's got in the next six.

 

Yeah, I mean Kaepernick has been absolutely dreadful in 3 of their games this year, and Brady has been pretty bad in several as well...

 

I think part of our issue is we see some good performances by other QBs but then fail to remember the really bad ones

[Dibs]

Apparently, but it's false. For example here are RGIII statistics for his first 5 games during his rookie season:

 

http://espn.go.com/n...ert-griffin-iii

 

These stats would put him at the top of the list, so it looks like some cherry picking is going on to try and defend Manuel and fake out the public.

 

In fairness......and personally I don't think one can look at the stats and make any argument past "you can't call him a bust yet".....putting RG3 on the list provided would still see EJ at #4.

[NoSaint]

 

 

In fairness......and personally I don't think one can look at the stats and make any argument past "you can't call him a bust yet".....putting RG3 on the list provided would still see EJ at #4.

 

And for all his hype, it'd be pretty close between the two rating wise. Rg3 if you do a simple average of his ratings those 5 weeks he'd be at like 81.

 

That said, I don't get the chart as is

[ganesh]

So far EJ looks like a guy that should have been picked in the third round.

Now EJ also has the potential to be a guy that could be the next franchise QB. EJ has all the ability and the presence to be that guy.

I have got to wonder at what point does the fact Hackett is maybe not a good QB coach and OC come into play here?

 

So far EJ has failed to consistently make his mid-range throws. I don't think there is any point in blaming the Coach/OC.

[Nanker]

EJ will not improve on his consistency without the experience gained through multiple game time reps.

His injuries have robbed him of valuable game time and have held his progression back.

He can't afford to miss any more games. The Bills can't afford for him to miss any more games.

[Cash]

The qualifier on the list the Bills put out is a minimum of 150 attempts, which seems silly and arbitrary. However, dropping the minimum attempts would also add Matt Ryan & Joe Flacco to the list, and both would slot in below EJ:

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/67012/bills-brass-comes-to-manuels-defense

 

Honestly, I think it's pretty meaningless no matter what. There can't be much of a correlation between a guy's first 5 games and his whole career. Any five game stretch is way too small a sample to mean anything.

[paupmvp1995]

So far EJ looks like a guy that should have been picked in the third round.

Now EJ also has the potential to be a guy that could be the next franchise QB. EJ has all the ability and the presence to be that guy.

I have got to wonder at what point does the fact Hackett is maybe not a good QB coach and OC come into play here?

Don't be an apologist. So far EJ looks like a guy who should not have been drafted...period. What potential have you seen? He has played scared in every game. Doesn't want to throw the ball down the field at all. Doesn't look like he has any confidence in his ability. And what presence have you seen? I have seen ZERO emotion from the guy other than when he threw the winner to Stevie against Carolina. Usually he is sitting on the bench looking at pics of the D and the playbook, and never engaging w his receivers.

 

The aura that Thad brought to the field in all his starts was 180 degrees different than EJ. He at least carries himself like an NFL QB.. At this point, I see more upside from Thad than EJ. Now that doen't mean he is our savior. But he has shown a lot more game than EJ. If you disagree, you have not been watching the Bills this year.

[Stevie Ray]

Shades of Donahoe and his PR tactics re the Mike Williams pick over McKinnie. Instead of spending time trying to pacify the masses, how about getting a REAL QB coach to work with him. His footwork and his accuracy ARE NOT IMPROVING and THAT should be the measure when looking at whether patience is warranted or not.

[Dragonborn10]

Anybody watch Luck against the Rams last weekend... Let's give it a few more games... That being said I think I'm done with the Graham experience.

[Saint Doug]

Sometimes I think the Bills got "cute" in picking EJ, much in the same way they did with Whitner. If you look at EJ's whole body of work in college, he really wasn't spectacular and certainly not the best QB in last year's draft. Geno was, any way you slice it. Sure, Geno may have a bad attitude (which hasn't really surface in the pressure cooker of NY - many people were wrong here. We all predicted he would blow up) and EJ may have all the potential, but the pick was not based on EJ's college career.