GG Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 "DirecTV CFO Patrick Doyle said Wednesday that the company may not renew its exclusive NFL Sunday Ticket franchise when its contract with the league expires next year. Doyle, speaking at a Deutsche Bank conference in Florida, floated the idea of DirecTV possibly sharing rights to the package with cable operators and other pay TV rivals. While DirecTV has used its exclusive rights to the package to grow its subscriber base, the company has found it challenging to turn a profit on the deal, which costs it about $1 billion annually. "There's a point where we're certainly willing to renew and at some [license fee] increase that's reasonable, that we can absorb and continue to pass on to the customer. I think, obviously, if it goes above that, we would certainly either think about not carrying it or go nonexclusive," Doyle said. "We're not necessarily concerned about going to nonexclusive, if it's structured properly," he added." Linky thingy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 This is a stupid question, but can anyone tell me if I can get a similar package through my PS3 (like NHL GameCenter Live), even if I don't have DirectTV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 This is a stupid question, but can anyone tell me if I can get a similar package through my PS3 (like NHL GameCenter Live), even if I don't have DirectTV? Yes you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShipUPride Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 The only reason I use DTV is for Sunday Ticket. Their On-Demand library sucks. If given a choice, I'll switch back to Comcast if I can get Sunday Ticket there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) For a while they were giving the ticket free to any new subscriber. Plus anyone who called got the price reduced. I'm not surprised they aren't making money on it. In fact I'd be surprised if they weren't losing money on it. I know one person who has directTV because of the ticket. He and his wife are avid football fans and they live in the primary market for neither of their favorite teams. I think it would be better for the NFL and all the providers if it was non-exclusive like the other sports packages. They could put each game up on pay-per-view if they wanted to as well for people who only care about one team. Lots of possibilities. Edited March 7, 2013 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 if it comes to it, ill take the risk of streaming on my google tv from a host site. lock me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I Have DirecTV with Sunday Ticket but I think it should be non-exclusive. Anyone willing to pay should be able to watch. Like CodeMonkey says, there are lots of possibilities and the NFL can probably make more money if they make it available to other outlets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 The only reason I use DTV is for Sunday Ticket. Their On-Demand library sucks. If given a choice, I'll switch back to Comcast if I can get Sunday Ticket there! Comcast is horrid, their customer service is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 This is a stupid question, but can anyone tell me if I can get a similar package through my PS3 (like NHL GameCenter Live), even if I don't have DirectTV? As was said - yup! And last year it was awesome, I ended up getting the "Digital Only" Sunday Ticket package, the price was lower than the year before ($250, maybe?) and not only did the password work on my iPad and iPhone, but also on my PS3 (which as a Sunday Ticket app). Not sure how it will all work without Direct TV since they're the ones you paid, even for the digi subscription, but lets hope this means we'll see ST on cable and on tons of different devices! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 For a while they were giving the ticket free to any new subscriber. Plus anyone who called got the price reduced. I'm not surprised they aren't making money on it. In fact I'd be surprised if they weren't losing money on it. I know one person who has directTV because of the ticket. He and his wife are avid football fans and they live in the primary market for neither of their favorite teams. I think it would be better for the NFL and all the providers if it was non-exclusive like the other sports packages. They could put each game up on pay-per-view if they wanted to as well for people who only care about one team. Lots of possibilities. they are still making money because you still need to be a DTV subscriber to get that deal DTV will die when they give up the sunday ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 they are still making money because you still need to be a DTV subscriber to get that deal DTV will die when they give up the sunday ticket That assumes that there are an awful lot of DTV subscribers that subscribe only to get the ticket. Maybe that's true. But if DTV does not renew it's exclusive contract (in the US) it will be because they looked at the numbers and it did not work out in their favor. I don't know what DTV pays the NFL for the US exclusive rights, but it must be a monstrously big number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 That assumes that there are an awful lot of DTV subscribers that subscribe only to get the ticket. Maybe that's true. But if DTV does not renew it's exclusive contract (in the US) it will be because they looked at the numbers and it did not work out in their favor. I don't know what DTV pays the NFL for the US exclusive rights, but it must be a monstrously big number. Found this: On March 23, 2009, it was announced that DirecTV paid $4 billion to extend its exclusive contract for NFL Sunday Ticket until 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 DTV will die when they give up the sunday ticket The opposite is probably closer to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Found this: On March 23, 2009, it was announced that DirecTV paid $4 billion to extend its exclusive contract for NFL Sunday Ticket until 2014. $4B is a lot of subscribers that sign up just for the ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 they are still making money because you still need to be a DTV subscriber to get that deal DTV will die when they give up the sunday ticket Don't let Fez hear you say that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 As was said - yup! And last year it was awesome, I ended up getting the "Digital Only" Sunday Ticket package, the price was lower than the year before ($250, maybe?) and not only did the password work on my iPad and iPhone, but also on my PS3 (which as a Sunday Ticket app). Not sure how it will all work without Direct TV since they're the ones you paid, even for the digi subscription, but lets hope this means we'll see ST on cable and on tons of different devices! Yes you can. Excellent! That is what I thought I remembered from last year, but wasnt sure. Thanks for confirming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I had heard, at least the first year they offered it (2 seasons ago I think) that the feed through PlayStation was kind of crummy, and there were numerous kinks in it...anyone know if that improved this past season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blargo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 We have DTV just for Sunday Ticket. Once the season is over I suspend the account for 6 months, the max allowed and start back up in July. So I pay for 2 extra months that are not football season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 The only reason I still have DirectTV is for the Ticket so if i can get the Bills games through FIOS TV after this contract expires, I'll be saying goodbye to DTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I don't think they give it up completely. I just think it becomes available to others. NFL never turns down big money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatpantsjoe Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Theres no way the network affiliates will allow this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Theres no way the network affiliates will allow this to happen. They don't have the power to block it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Cable sucks will never go back. Directv is freedom from comcast and there suckie service and never ending signal connection problems. Directv forever and i hope they keep sunday tickect exclusive to only directv customers. Cable is so 20th century, step into the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I will go wherever ticket goes. That said, I hope DTV keeps it. I don't want to deal with cable companies anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Comcast is horrid, their customer service is the worst. Seriously! I like DirecTV's customer service and DVR, but I'd still go back to my Verizon FiOS if they had Sunday Ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I joined Direct TV when NFL Ticket first came available with them. If NFL Ticket became non-exclusive, I would at least look at the alternatives to DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathcliff Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I have DirectTV for two reasons. 1) Sunday Ticket 2) Portable for my RV (cable or FIOS not so much). I have double play FIOS in my house now (phone/internet) and for about $30 a month I could add FIOS TV and replace DirectTV. But 1 and 2 above keep me with them. And their Customer Service is second to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 A couple years back I had Sunday Ticket to go, worked OK, but there were things that didn't work like you couldn't watch split screen four games in full screen mode. So on like a typical 20 to 24 inch computer monitor the screen opens up to about nine inches. Then split that into fourths, you're looking at a postage stamp. You also couldn't use any DVR functions online, the buttons were there, but greyed out, then about half way through the year, the buttons disappeared. This past year I went to DTV and did get ST, unfortunately I signed up about two weeks before they were offering it for free, after much calling and complaining was able to get the price down for ST to around $90 after applying the credits they gave me. To be honest I did enjoy it much more than I expected and found myself watching more out of market games than I expected, maybe not the entire game, but jumping around,watching the ends of them etc. Whenever the Bill's game went to commercial would jump to the mix channel I had ST Max so was able to view online and it appeared the items I stated didn't work two seasons ago still didn't work, or if they do I wasn't able to figure it outk. If someone know's different about that let me know as would like to know how to view 4 games in max screen. As was said - yup! And last year it was awesome, I ended up getting the "Digital Only" Sunday Ticket package, the price was lower than the year before ($250, maybe?) and not only did the password work on my iPad and iPhone, but also on my PS3 (which as a Sunday Ticket app). Not sure how it will all work without Direct TV since they're the ones you paid, even for the digi subscription, but lets hope this means we'll see ST on cable and on tons of different devices! Dish Network is surviving without ST. DTV will die when they give up the sunday ticket May be that DTV is trying to save face here too as would it would be best for NFL to offer a streaming package and keep all the $$ for themselves. It seems everything is going in that direction. Or offer it thru Amazon Prime All in all like my five tuner HD DVR much better, but definitely don't feel signal is as reliable as cable was. To me the area that makes cable so expensive compared to DTV is in the equipment costs. It would likely cost me $40 or more a month to have the ability to record five (hell even four) programs at once, whole house abilities, and 200 hours of HD storage. DTV tends to more nickel and dime you quite frankly have worse customer support than cable does when you have problems. You want someone to come visit, unless you're paying $6 per month it's like a $50 fee. Would I go back if ST was no longer an issue? Maybe!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) I have DTV only because they are the only provider with Sunday Ticket. I guess I'm the opposite of CodeMonkey, because almost everyone I know that has DTV has it because of the Sunday Ticket. If FIOS gets the Sunday Ticket, my DTV will be history! Edited March 8, 2013 by Lv-Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibran Chandan Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I used (or tried to use) game rewind exclusively last year. I was on tour and had shows every Sunday up until Week 16, so that was the perfect way to catch up on the games from various hotel rooms - and a fraction of the price of having to pay for a live service! That said, if I'm not touring during the regular season this year and a non-exclusive, non-console linked service were to come into play, I'd definitely be tempted. No backer bar within 90 minutes one-way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 It is amazing what people spend to watch a fraction of the available content. It's like buying a loaf of bread just to nibble on a crumb and throw it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Found this: On March 23, 2009, it was announced that DirecTV paid $4 billion to extend its exclusive contract for NFL Sunday Ticket until 2014. At a mean average of $200 per subscription (some pay more, others pay less), they would need 2 million Sunday Ticket subscribers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 S I just read that DTV has around 20 mil subscribers so that would mean you'd need 10% to get ST, though from everything I've read the $200 price seems high. I would have guessed the average was closer to $100, at least based on what you read here on this site. At a mean average of $200 per subscription (some pay more, others pay less), they would need 2 million Sunday Ticket subscribers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 S I just read that DTV has around 20 mil subscribers so that would mean you'd need 10% to get ST, though from everything I've read the $200 price seems high. I would have guessed the average was closer to $100, at least based on what you read here on this site. I'm just guessing. Like I said, some folks pay more and some pay less. The official price for Sunday Ticket last year was $299. On a sidenote, the only reason I have DirecTV is because of the Sunday Ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I think one thing that may hold this idea back is that the NFL tends to only deal with exclusive licenses. Comcast owns everything now so I could see them going for the exclusive rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Seems to me this is all part of a negotiation.Contract is up next year. NFL ratings are sky high, I am sure NFL is asking for a HUGE bump in fees, using the exclusivity against DTV. They have to state publicly that, at an investors conference no less (quote is from CFO, not CEO), that they can live without it and see what effect that has on the stock price. Bolsters the position they can live without the deal , and takes away one of the levers the NFL I am sure is pulling, and pulling hard, at the table. As for the suggestions the NFL should sell single games, go to different outlets etc....the NFL loves the revenue certainty this setup provides. One in the hand so to speak. Allows for much better 5 year strategic plans etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 You do not need to have DTV in your home in order to watch Sunday Ticket. It is 2013. Sign up for the sunday ticket online streaming option.connect HDMI cable to your laptop. Switch TV to HDMI port of your laptop. Viola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 You do not need to have DTV in your home in order to watch Sunday Ticket. It is 2013. Sign up for the sunday ticket online streaming option.connect HDMI cable to your laptop. Switch TV to HDMI port of your laptop. Viola. How much does that cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 At a mean average of $200 per subscription (some pay more, others pay less), they would need 2 million Sunday Ticket subscribers. You sure about that math? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 How much does that cost? I think it was two fity last year. For the technically advanced you can use your ipad, apple TV and airplay the game on the big screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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