Noodlearm Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 We should be able to get him for a fourth, third round pick at worst. After all the Seahawks got a pro bowl running back who may take them all the way for a fourth round pick right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 agreed ! Two points. Its slightly possible the new staff can make use of Fitz till our Draftee {s} are ready. and since Marrones offense can be simplified that may not take very long. And isnt Tavaris Jackson an option as game manager ? He knows his role. I am not much for any investment in getting a stop gap if he is already here. Jackson is a UFA...And Fitz sucks...So...There you go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Why are we digging through other people's trash? Because other people's trash is significantly better than our finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackBenny Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 No to Alex Smith, he's as bad as Fitztrajic and we have FItztragic without giving anything up. The 49ers would have made it to the superbowl last year if they had a quarterback. They lost to the Giants because Alex Smith is a way below average quarterback. If they had even an average quarterback they would have beaten the Giants. Frisco realized what their weakness was. Why do you think they benched this bum and switched to a new quarterback? Kaepernick has made the 49ers a true contender that has a shot to go all the way. Why would you want someone else's garbage? If Smith stunk it up in Frisco, he will do even worse in Buffalo. Frisco has one of the best defenses in the league and they and covered up all of Smith's turnovers. Buffalo's defense is the WORST in the league, they couldn't cover up for any of his mistakes. Buffalo would get blown out in every game. I agree Buffalo needs a quarterback badly, but you want to get a better one, not a worse one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 The 49ers would have made it to the superbowl last year if they had a quarterback. They lost to the Giants because Alex Smith is a way below average quarterback. If they had even an average quarterback they would have beaten the Giants. Frisco realized what their weakness was. It sounds like you didn't actually watch the NFC Championship Game last year, eh? Alex Smith had a great game. The 49ers would have won if their punt returner didn't fumble twice in Giants' FG range--- once which allowed for the tying points in the 4th quarter and the 2nd time in OT which allowed the GW FG. I'm not a strong advocate for A. Smith, but please get the facts correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 It sounds like you didn't actually watch the NFC Championship Game last year, eh? Alex Smith had a great game. The 49ers would have won if their punt returner didn't fumble twice in Giants' FG range--- once which allowed for the tying points in the 4th quarter and the 2nd time in OT which allowed the GW FG. I'm not a strong advocate for A. Smith, but please get the facts correct. School is in session! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 The question is " Why would you want to get him " he is a below average QB with a no upside, I rather Draft a Rookie & have him start In this league he is not below average. I'd rather have Matt Moore: https://www.profootb...-sticking-with/ Yikes Alex Smith = Rob Johnson Yeah, just like RJ (....oh wait, you were serious?) The problem, at least as I see it, is that there are only very shaky QBs in this draft with each being a long-shot to develop into a good starting QB. I'd rather have Alex Smith for a few years, take a flyer on a rookie to see if we get lucky and (assuming we don't) then go all-in next year to get a better rookie prospect. Alex Smith isn't Tom Brady, but he could be a winner with a great D and running game - exactly what the Bills are trying to build (and they have a lot of the parts). I agree that Smith is better than who we might get in the draft this year. The problem is that our D sucks and it won't get significantly better with Pettine here. There isn't a high level of talent there, despite the claims of some here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickedface Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 smith is a qb who had different OCs his first few years in the league. he started to settle down once he had the same oc for 2 years in a row. he really only lost the job because he can't run. his arm is pretty good. he will probably be starting somewhere next year. do i think the bills need him? i don't know, i am not 100% sold on him. but i wouldn't be against it. i'd prefer a rookie qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) After watching Kaepernick last night, not sure Alex Smith is worth it. The new trend in the NFL is a strong armed, running option QB. until you are a beat up shell of yourself and have a career as short as running backs. Running QBs will get figured out like everything else and then we be back to drop back passers Alex Smith is Ryan Fitzpatrick with a little more accuracy. No thanks. whats wrong with that? If Fitz was very accurate we wouldn't have to worry about a new QB. His accuracy is the cause of many of his ints along with incomplete passes. Edited January 13, 2013 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 The question is " Why would you want to get him " he is a below average QB with a no upside, I rather Draft a Rookie & have him start He took his team to the playoffs, isn't that our measuring stick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I understand you being guarded against disappointment, but your sources are not altogether correct. There will be somewhere between 7-10 QB's taken in this draft, and I have no trouble predicting half of the guys end up starting, and 2-3, at least, end up being good starters. It's not that there aren't any good QB's in the draft; rather, there are a lot of QB's with potential - you just don't trust Buffalo's GM/Coaches to identify WHICH QB's are really the starter types. I think Glennon could be a starter and be good with the right system and a good OL. I think Geno Smith, Barklay, and Wilson will all be pretty good - and maybe better. There are guys like Landry Jones, Nassib, Manuel, Dysert who could end up playing as well or better than Dalton has these past two years. And there's Bray who could be just as good as Tannehill - who any Bills fan would have gladly had as a QB this past year. Now, I agree that there won't be drafts that often that feature talent like Luck, Griffin III, and Wilson - but I think this draft is as good for QB's as the Newton, Dalton, Kaepernick draft. It just comes down to Buffalo knowing which talent will work for them - and if they could do that, they could wait till the second or third round and still get a QB better than Fitz. As for Alex Smith - I say get him IF you don't have to pay so much you'll be strapped to him, and only if you intend on going after a franchise QB in later years. If you spend a 1st or high 2nd round pick on a QB you think can be a Franchise QB, you don't go after Smith, but someone much more qualified for second string, and you let the young guy play as soon as possible. You may be right to say that there will be good starting QBs to come out of the draft, but it might really be as bad a year as the "experts" feel. 2-3 good starting QBs coming out in a single draft is really a very good year. There are plenty of years where no good starting QBs emerge from an entire draft. For instance, look at the 8 year period from 1990-1997. Here are the starting QBs that came out in those 8 years: Excellent Starters: Brett Favre Drew Bledsoe Steve McNair Mark Brunell OK Starters: Neil O'Donnell Trent Dilfer Gus Frerotte Kerry Collins Jake Plummer In that same 8 years, here are all the QBs drafted in rounds 1 and 2: Rnd 1 Jim Druckenmiller Steve McNair Kerry Collins Heath Shuler Trent Dilfer Drew Bledsoe Rick Mirer David Klingler Tommy Maddox Dan McGuire Todd Marinovich Jeff George Andre Ware Rnd 2 Jake Plummer Tony Banks Todd Collins Kordell Stewart Matt Blundin Tony Sacca Brett Favre Browning Nagle So, only 4 very good starting QBs came out of 8 consecutive drafts. 5 more "OK" guys whom might compare reasonably with Alex Smith also came out during that time - but those guys fall into the "they're OK, but their team was always looking to replace them category". Beyond those, there were a host of guys taken in the first 2 rounds that didn't pan out at all. They were drafted high because teams desperately needed QBs. In 1999, the following QBs were taken in the first round: Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper and Cade McNown. Shaun King was the only 2nd rounder. 1 of those 6 turned out to be pretty good. There are dry-spells and there are drafts where multiple good QBs come out. I think that you have to trust your evaluation of the players coming out and balance that with taking a "shot" on a QB reasonably often. Here is a link to NFL.com where there is a list of QBs drafted by year and round. I think looking at it, most will conclude that there are very few good starting NFL QBs in most drafts and it is very difficult to find them. http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Alex Smith is Ryan Fitzpatrick with a little more accuracy. No thanks. Ryan Fitzpatrick with a little more accuracy (assuming fewer game-killing picks) likely has us in the playoffs this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Is Ryan Lindley going to be available? Skelton should be though The problem is that our D sucks and it won't get significantly better with Pettine here. There isn't a high level of talent there, despite the claims of some here. I believe Pettine will make HUGE difference. look at the rare occasions we did blitz and seeing guys like Sheppard get sacks. I really feel we will be the new San Fran as they were ok until they got Harbaugh and they they took off with a blitzing defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Skelton should be though I believe Pettine will make HUGE difference. look at the rare occasions we did blitz and seeing guys like Sheppard get sacks. I really feel we will be the new San Fran as they were ok until they got Harbaugh and they they took off with a blitzing defense. I agree. I think the Bills have a very good level of DL talent and in the secondary (assuming they can keep Jairus Byrd). They need LB help and coaching help. They underachieved very considerably last year. I do think that the vanilla scheme that was run hurt them badly. As Pettine said, you have to disguise what you are doing. Offenses do it all the time, why wouldn't a defense do it? Most of the good defenses do a good job of confusing the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I agree that Smith is better than who we might get in the draft this year. The problem is that our D sucks and it won't get significantly better with Pettine here. There isn't a high level of talent there, despite the claims of some here. I think there are several pieces in place that could gel into a solid unit if they can add one or two good LBs, and some decent coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) it's amazing how Bills fans view opposing players with rose-colored glasses and view our own players as garbage. "Alex Smith is more accurate than Fitz"; "Alex Smith is much better than what we have"; "I'd rather have Alex Trebek than Fitz" lol (my personal favorite) 1. Alex Smith has a career completion percentage of 59.3. Fitz has a career completion percentage of 59.5 (and Fitz has more attempts, so it's not a fluke)..not that either are great, lol. 2. Alex Smith's best year was 2011: 273/445; 61.3comp%; 3,144yds; 17 td; 5int; QBR: 45.8 Fitz's year this year: 306/505; 60.6comp%; 3,400yds; 24td; 16int; QBR: 45.5 3. Alex Smith has yet to even throw for 20 TD's in a single season in his CAREER. 4. Alex Smith has/had a top 5 defense, an ELITE TE, an ELITE RB, an ELITE OL, and better WR than us...and a genius coach who puts him in a position to win. Boy, that Alex Smith sure is a huge upgrade over Fitz. Lets draft a QB and groom him to lead us for the next decade. Edited January 13, 2013 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 it's amazing how Bills fans view opposing players with rose-colored glasses and view our own players as garbage. Boy, that Alex Smith sure is a huge upgrade over Fitz. Lets draft a QB and groom him to lead us for the next decade. Smith is not a huge upgrade (he wouldnt be available if he was) but his recent record shows that he has improved: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/154432-mike-freeman-of-cbs-almost-guaranteeing-alex-smith-landing-in-buffalo/page__st__200 The problem with putting all our eggs in the rookie basket is that this is a very risky strategy. For a beleagured franchise such as the Bills, we need success, quickly. Even a Sanchez-type pick could blow up in the face of this coaching staff and we cannot afford more years of futility. Smith is a safe upgrade over Fitz for sure. It will put a firm floor on the QB performance, a floor which is a few levels above what Fitz provides us. The ceiling will be defined by who we draft in this or next year's draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirty Year Fan Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Alex Smith is Ryan Fitzpatrick with a little more accuracy. No thanks. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Smith is not a huge upgrade (he wouldnt be available if he was) but his recent record shows that he has improved: http://forums.twobil...o/page__st__200 The problem with putting all our eggs in the rookie basket is that this is a very risky strategy. For a beleagured franchise such as the Bills, we need success, quickly. Even a Sanchez-type pick could blow up in the face of this coaching staff and we cannot afford more years of futility. Smith is a safe upgrade over Fitz for sure. It will put a firm floor on the QB performance, a floor which is a few levels above what Fitz provides us. The ceiling will be defined by who we draft in this or next year's draft. Smith is an upgrade over Fitz if we can bring Harbaugh with him as well, b/c Smith pre Harbaugh is not better than any QB in this league. And in addition to Harbaugh, maybe we can bring some other players along with Smith, like vernon davis, crabtree, the entire O-line and willis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 alex smith is btter than a lot of people on here think---of course harbaughsaw the potential in kaepernik---but alex got them within a hair of the SB last yr. he is pretty decent. he is not the long term answer--so u dont spend a top pick on him---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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