whateverdude Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) http://www.buffalosp...he-Bills-Curse/ stadium site was once the site of a Wenroes Indian Village, dating back to 1630.” Kulp’s file also identifies the small stream that runs below the eastern edge of the site as “Smoke’s Creek.” Edited October 11, 2012 by whateverdude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Where the Ralph complex sits is where I played football, baseball, hunted, and in the winter time sled on Dead Mans Hill. Where the Indian village was would be now roughly located in the lower parking lot between the stadium tunnel and the outside storage area (equipment barn). I have never heard of any large cemetery destroyed during construction. I wonder if any stadium construction workers will come forward and set the record straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Where the Ralph complex sits is where I played football, baseball, hunted, and in the winter time sled on Dead Mans Hill. Where the Indian village was would be now roughly located in the lower parking lot between the stadium tunnel and the outside storage area (equipment barn). I have never heard of any large cemetery destroyed during construction. I wonder if any stadium construction workers will come forward and set the record straight. Strangely even though the stadium was built only 40 years ago, none of those people still survive! (dramatic music) Edited October 11, 2012 by San Jose Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Strangely even though the stadium was built only 40 years ago, none of those people still survive! (dramatic music) That's Erie! <eerie?> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 They won the biggest games possible in that Stadium (AFC Championships). Their biggest "luck" win (biggest comeback) happened at RWS. Most of the worst losses (Super Bowls, Music City, etc.) have been on the road. Stop with the nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 They won the biggest games possible in that Stadium (AFC Championships). Their biggest "luck" win (biggest comeback) happened at RWS. Most of the worst losses (Super Bowls, Music City, etc.) have been on the road. Stop with the nonsense. So you're saying the spirits travel ...with.. the team. Niiiiiice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whateverdude Posted October 11, 2012 Author Share Posted October 11, 2012 Generally, curses follow the team or people until the wrongs are undone. The desecration of hallowed ground under the direction of Ralph Wilson must be righted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Maybe that's why we do so bad in Toronto? Is the Rogers Centre more cursed??? We're DOOMED!!! We'll see how it goes Sunday. No doubt the Arizona Stadium is built over some old Indian something or other! If Ralph wasn't so Cheap, he'd get us a proper Witchdoctor on the staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Hey, those Indians sold Ralph that land back then for a good pile of wampum, so the spirits can take it up with those greedy bastards who sold them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Lifting Curses Through Shamanic Rituals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabtot Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 They sucked when they played at the "rockpile"......so just what was buried at the corner of Jefferson and Best St???? They also seem to beat the Chiefs regularly at the Ralph.... This is hogwash.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelstephon Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 http://www.buffalosp...he-Bills-Curse/ So they told Ralph to own the team? wow that is a curse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 nah...the curse started with the benching of Doug Flutie. It will not be lifted until we a. Draft our starting quarterback from Boston College b. Make Flutie Flakes the Official Buffalo Food (sorry Buffalo Wings.) c. Burn Rob Johnson in effigy d. Run Replays of the Music City Miracle on the Jumbotron throughout the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 If the county and tribe was dumb enough to build it over human remains, that would explain a lot. Just wondering if the Bills have ever beat the Redskins at the Ralph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBiker Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 They sucked when they played at the "rockpile"......so just what was buried at the corner of Jefferson and Best St???? They also seem to beat the Chiefs regularly at the Ralph.... This is hogwash.... Jimmy Hoffa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Let me add the obligatory "Thanks Obama!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Funny I was just joking with Mrs. Fan in San diego that the Ralph must be built on an Indian Village because we are so cursed. They better hire an Indian Shaman to clear the bad spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AReed Deep For6 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Maybe things woulda worked out better if Ralph had put a pro lacrosse team there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Jimmy Hoffa! That's what I was wondering, but Hoffa disappeared in 1975, the Rockpile was demolished in 1988. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMan Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 The very first play in Rich Stadium: Herb Mul-Key of the Washington Redskins runs the opening kick off 102 yards for a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 When that TV went fuzzy in our box one time & something called me Carol Anne, I knew this just isn't right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) The very first play in Rich Stadium: Herb Mul-Key of the Washington Redskins runs the opening kick off 102 yards for a TD. That guy was a pro-bowl player. Wonder if there is truth to it being built over a burial site. That would be a ridiculous thing to do. Although if your one to believe in curses, you would think Ralph, not the team, would be cursed. http://en.wikipedia....ki/Herb_Mul-Key Edited October 11, 2012 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 If the county and tribe was dumb enough to build it over human remains, that would explain a lot. Just wondering if the Bills have ever beat the Redskins at the Ralph? Off the top of my head, we beat them handily in 1993 (MNF) and again in 2003 at Rich/The Ralph. Actually, I can't think of the last time we've lost to the Redskins anywhere -- home, road, cemetery, the moon, etc. By the way, shouldn't a team that uses a derogatory racial term as its nickname be of more interest to malevolent, ancient Native American spirits with an ax to grind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tu-Toned Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Well if that's the case, then it seems like the main culprit was Ralph, when he goes, the curse goes with him, whenever that actually might be. Correct?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 That guy was a pro-bowl player. Wonder if there is truth to it being built over a burial site. That would be a ridiculous thing to do. Although if your one to believe in curses, Well if that's the case, then it seems like the main culprit was Ralph, when he goes, the curse goes with him, whenever that actually might be. Correct?? you would think Ralph, not the team, would be cursed. http://en.wikipedia....ki/Herb_Mul-Key don´t forget the holy curse of being a BILLS fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 So you're saying the spirits travel ...with.. the team. Niiiiiice. That's weirding me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjeff215 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Well, there's that cemetery fenced off over there. I don't remember which lot that is. Used to ride our bikes all around there when we were kids. So, Indians or no indians, someone's not getting a good eternity's sleep! http://www.buffalospree.com/Buffalo-Spree/June-2012/The-Bills-Curse/ (I realize this is pure nonsense, but it's easier to admit that PISSED OFF INDIAN SPIRITS are causing our woes than it is to admit that we just always suck) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 "Wenroes Indian ? No wonder they where ticked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Ralph went to high school with the indians, and they made him a deal on the land. He still has some Arrow Shirts from the old days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Actually, I can't think of the last time we've lost to the Redskins anywhere -- home, road, cemetery, the moon, etc. Here, let me help you with that one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXVI Think nothing of it. But, back on topic. I believe this is a very strong, malevolent curse. Case in point, according to a well regarded source (wiki), the Buffalo Bills were actually named after a male bison named "billy", hence the Bills. This is a very clear snub to the historical figure Buffalo Bill, who was a strong proponent of Native American rights. Thus, the name the Buffalo Bills is basically an affront to Native American rights. Edited October 12, 2012 by kas23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 But, back on topic. I believe this is a very strong, malevolent curse. Case in point, according to a well regarded source (wiki), the Buffalo Bills were actually named after a male bison named "billy", hence the Bills. This is a very clear snub to the historical figure Buffalo Bill, who was a strong proponent of Native American rights. Thus, the name the Buffalo Bills is basically an affront to Native American rights. You sure about that? http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ac-7052878 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Lifting Curses Through Shamanic Rituals don't squeeze the Shaman.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 They sucked when they played at the "rockpile"......so just what was buried at the corner of Jefferson and Best St???? They also seem to beat the Chiefs regularly at the Ralph.... This is hogwash.... hey hey...the actually won the AFL championship twice at the rockpile, and i remember some very good football being played there. As to what is buried at the corner, no one knows...cough cough..jimmyhoffa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 http://www.buffalosp...he-Bills-Curse/ all of America is built on an Indian villiage, we're not cursed. We just have bad talent evaluators and average to bad coaching. Strangely even though the stadium was built only 40 years ago, none of those people still survive! (dramatic music) :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 You sure about that? http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ac-7052878 I dunno. Wiki tells me otherwise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bills I blame this on Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I don't know if there is or is not a curse, but it is incredible how the team has had just so many failure over the last 40 years. What funny is that the stadium was always ment to be built downtown. However the owner of the buffalo news back then, didn't want the stadium downtown, because she felt it would be a problem with the sunday paper delivery. So she told the county ex. at the time that if they put a stadium downtown, she would smear and crush him through the paper and he would have no chance of being re-elected. Because of that the stadium ended up in Orchard Park and the rest is history. I always wonder if stadium was put downtown if that would have been better not only for the team, but also for the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I don't know if there is or is not a curse, but it is incredible how the team has had just so many failure over the last 40 years. What funny is that the stadium was always ment to be built downtown. However the owner of the buffalo news back then, didn't want the stadium downtown, because she felt it would be a problem with the sunday paper delivery. So she told the county ex. at the time that if they put a stadium downtown, she would smear and crush him through the paper and he would have no chance of being re-elected. Because of that the stadium ended up in Orchard Park and the rest is history. I always wonder if stadium was put downtown if that would have been better not only for the team, but also for the city. So, the Bills curse also extends to the City? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 If Ralph wasn't so Cheap, he'd get us a proper Witchdoctor on the staff. its 'medicine man' racist Jimmy Hoffa! hahaha beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glory Bound Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Most of you guys on this board are way more football savvy than myself, but on this topic I know the inside story. My mom was editor of the Hamburg Photo News just prior to the stadium being built. She caught wind that the stadium was going to be built over those Indian burial grounds & wrote an article about it. Well, the story grew legs & traveled, creating quite a bit of a stir at the time. As a result, the stadium planners reconfigured the layout and the stadium WAS NOT built over the burial grounds and provisions were made to keep the cemetery grounds intact. I remember my mom joking that she was responsible for the swirling winds which drove our kickers nuts. I do believe our team is cursed, but for other reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 so youre saying your mom put the curse on the bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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