HeHateMe Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 After Troup going on IR for the season I was just thinking back to how awful Nix's first draft was for this team... I mean it is really terrible. Spiller - hasn't produced enough at this point to justify the pick although a lot of upside here (best pick) Troup - IR for 2nd straight season Carrington - likely to be cut this year, never done anything as a Bill Easley - injured the entire time he has been on the team, likely to be cut Wang - trash Moats - should make the team (2nd best pick.. not saying much) Batten - likely to be cut Levi Brown - trash Calloway - trash After cuts we are likely to only have Spiller and Moats playing this year... what a disaster this was. Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I give passes on Troup and Easley (due to injury), and on Carrington and Batten (due to change to 4-3 scheme). As you said, Spiller and Moats seem like good picks, and the others are trash (though I doubt expectations could be high for them in any event). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I give passes on Troup and Easley (due to injury), and on Carrington and Batten (due to change to 4-3 scheme). As you said, Spiller and Moats seem like good picks, and the others are trash (though I doubt expectations could be high for them in any event). I am not seeing where he says or implies that Spiller was a good pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills1960 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Well the fact of the matter was that Troup and Carrington were projected to go wayyy lower than where we took them. Are the rankings always right? Of course not. But those two guys would have been there two rounds later respectively. The fact that we passed on guys like Gronkowski, Angerer and Navorro Bowman is sickening. Again, no GM is perfect but that's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Well the fact of the matter was that Troup and Carrington were projected to go wayyy lower than where we took them. Are the rankings always right? Of course not. But those two guys would have been there two rounds later respectively. The fact that we passed on guys like Gronkowski, Angerer and Navorro Bowman is sickening. Again, no GM is perfect but that's bad. Obviously, the players we picked are worse, with the exception of Spiller, but Angerer isn't that good. He's not even close to being in the same league as guys like Gronkowski and Bowman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cson76 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Last year of Modrack for what it's worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Tom Brady was taken in what round? At some point the draft is a crap shoot. No reason that they could have known that troop and easley would have health issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills1960 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) Obviously, the players we picked are worse, with the exception of Spiller, but Angerer isn't that good. He's not even close to being in the same league as guys like Gronkowski and Bowman. He's a heck of a lot better than Kelvin Sheppard. Regardless, we needed a Mike Linebacker then and we still need one now. Edited August 24, 2012 by bills1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Well the fact of the matter was that Troup and Carrington were projected to go wayyy lower than where we took them. Are the rankings always right? Of course not. But those two guys would have been there two rounds later respectively. The fact that we passed on guys like Gronkowski, Angerer and Navorro Bowman is sickening. Again, no GM is perfect but that's bad. Another example of the Bills trying to "out-think" the rest of the NFL and every scouting service backfiring. Spiller was the BPA, so that's a solid pick, and I think he becomes a pro-bowl player, but the rest are bad. And Troup should not be given a pass for his injury problems. He had them in college. Tom Brady was taken in what round? At some point the draft is a crap shoot. No reason that they could have known that troop and easley would have health issues. Due diligence on Troupe. Easley no, but Troupe had back problems in college. You don't "reach" on a guy from a smaller conference with injury problems that directly impact the position he plays. Esp. when you need a TE, and the top one in the draft who is from Buffalo happens to be available.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Another example of the Bills trying to "out-think" the rest of the NFL and every scouting service backfiring. Spiller was the BPA, so that's a solid pick, and I think he becomes a pro-bowl player, but the rest are bad. And Troup should not be given a pass for his injury problems. He had them in college. This has been refuted time and again but here is the link anyway. Gronk had the documented back problem in college not Troup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torell_Troup#College_career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsmystic Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 There is no argueing that this draft was terrible- it looked bad the weekend we drafted and worse now years later with the facts in. Let's hope it was Modrak and not Buddy who thumbed his nose at "experts" and kept reaching for guys with much lower grades- we just don't know. I think it's a bit of both- keep in mind TJ Graham wasn't rated as a 3rd rounder but here he is- let's hope for the best, but we were too terrible of a team to have another wasted draft in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 A couple of thoughts - Modrak was shown the door after this draft.....you can pin this on Nix and Gailey if you want but if you are going to do that at least give the two of them credit for the ability to recognize errors and not be to proud to admit them by making changes......just like QB edwards and that OT from the raiders. After this horrid draft Modrak was gone. - Since that draft and truly getting settled in it looks like Nix and Gailey have followed that up with two very solid drafts. At least HUGE steps in the right direction are being taken unlike former GM and HC who have stringed bad drafts along with lackluster free agent off seasons. So yes...the draft was bad.....but the team might actually be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 spiller was a great pick, he was a little raw his rookie year but could be really special... hes proven that... troup- bad luck, maybe next year carrington- i actually thought this wasnt a bad pick. he makes the team easley- yeah, bad pick and injury issues wang- wash moats- great pick and can be solid on strong side along with big time ability rushing passer on the edge... batten- would be a solid backup in a 34 it wasnt that bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 After Troup going on IR for the season I was just thinking back to how awful Nix's first draft was for this team... I mean it is really terrible. Spiller - hasn't produced enough at this point to justify the pick although a lot of upside here (best pick) Troup - IR for 2nd straight season Carrington - likely to be cut this year, never done anything as a Bill Easley - injured the entire time he has been on the team, likely to be cut Wang - trash Moats - should make the team (2nd best pick.. not saying much) Batten - likely to be cut Levi Brown - trash Calloway - trash After cuts we are likely to only have Spiller and Moats playing this year... what a disaster this was. Your thoughts? I think the only pick in that entire draft for the Bills that panned out considering where they were drafted was Moats. Spiller has been pretty good at times, but not really when you consider where he was taken in the draft. The Buddy Machine didn't get off to a roaring start did they, let's hope when the dust settles the 2011 and 2012 drafts turn out better then that one did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 you are also not counting the great job nix did with waiver pickups in 010 and rfa nelson/roosevelt/jones chandler urbik rinehart brown heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 A couple of thoughts - Modrak was shown the door after this draft.....you can pin this on Nix and Gailey if you want but if you are going to do that at least give the two of them credit for the ability to recognize errors and not be to proud to admit them by making changes......just like QB edwards and that OT from the raiders. After this horrid draft Modrak was gone. - Since that draft and truly getting settled in it looks like Nix and Gailey have followed that up with two very solid drafts. At least HUGE steps in the right direction are being taken unlike former GM and HC who have stringed bad drafts along with lackluster free agent off seasons. So yes...the draft was bad.....but the team might actually be good You say that - but then you start looking back at the 2011 draft and the concerns spread out a bit. Dareus is a stud, no question - but after that, you have Aaron Williams and Kelvin Sheppard, both of whom have had awful preseasons and may be in danger of losing their jobs. Chris White and Johnny White likely both will be cut. Hairston is a decent swing tackle but that appears to be his ceiling. Jasper is gone. Searcy is a backup (so far)... I look at Nix's first two drafts and I really have to question whether the guy knows what he's doing as a GM. I love his coaches (now, although it took a re-boot on the defensive side) and he's done a good job with UDFAs and free agents. But the good teams win on draft day - Nix has not come close to doing that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Well the fact of the matter was that Troup and Carrington were projected to go wayyy lower than where we took them. Are the rankings always right? Of course not. But those two guys would have been there two rounds later respectively. The fact that we passed on guys like Gronkowski, Angerer and Navorro Bowman is sickening. Again, no GM is perfect but that's bad. It makes me sick we could have had Gronkowski. What a bunch of dopes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 you are also not counting the great job nix did with waiver pickups in 010 and rfa nelson/roosevelt/jones chandler urbik rinehart brown heard I think the topic was the draft not the undrafted free agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Due diligence on Troupe. Easley no, but Troupe had back problems in college. You don't "reach" on a guy from a smaller conference with injury problems that directly impact the position he plays. Esp. when you need a TE, and the top one in the draft who is from Buffalo happens to be available.! He didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 It makes me sick we could have had Gronkowski. What a bunch of dopes... A homeboy at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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